Madeleine McCann

smelly sock

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Rock77 wrote: »

So Gerry, Jane and the tennis guy all say Gerry was talking to the tennis guy but they all remember it slightly differently eg. Which side of the road they were on.

This either tells you they were all in on it or people just remember things differently. I’m pretty sure if one of my kids was taken I would find it extremely difficult to remember minor insignificant details in the hours prior

It also suggests that all of them had a nice few glasses of wine at dinner too. Again nothing unusual about that.

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

dark crystal wrote: »

Sure thing....just a selection of your posts from this thread alone. Stop being disingenuous by saying you're not pro or anti McCann when your posts are quite clear in that regard.

You bet me to it

The walking back on what is years of absolute venom posted in the direction of the Mc Canns is really quite something to witness.
You guys do realise your former posts all searchable right :pac:

TheW1zard

Accident happened, parents hid body

Rock77 wrote: »

So Gerry, Jane and the tennis guy all say Gerry was talking to the tennis guy but they all remember it slightly differently eg. Which side of the road they were on.

This either tells you they were all in on it or people just remember things differently. I’m pretty sure if one of my kids was taken I would find it extremely difficult to remember minor insignificant details in the hours prior

Yeah maybe, on the other hand who's to say its an insignificant detail though?

Gerry remembers plenty of minor insignificant details, its the big ones he has a problem with.

Im starting to think its a peedo ring now by the way, but I dont rule anything out ya know?

TheW1zard

Accident happened, parents hid body

smelly sock wrote: »

It also suggests that all of them had a nice few glasses of wine at dinner too. Again nothing unusual about that.

Nothing unusual about any of it i suppose :pac:

Rock77

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

smelly sock wrote: »

It also suggests that all of them had a nice few glasses of wine at dinner too. Again nothing unusual about that.

To be honest, no it doesn’t. Because somebody can’t remember something they thought was completely insignificant at the time doesn’t mean they were drunk.

They may have been drunk, but this to me doesn’t suggest that

smelly sock

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Rock77 wrote: »

To be honest, no it doesn’t. Because somebody can’t remember something they thought was completely insignificant at the time doesn’t mean they were drunk.

They may have been drunk, but this to me doesn’t suggest that

Who said drunk? Possibly two or three glasses of wine. That would be enough to make recounting moments that lasted only seconds inaccurate.

Rock77

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

TheW1zard wrote: »

Yeah maybe, on the other hand who's to say its an insignificant detail though?

Gerry remembers plenty of minor insignificant details, its the big ones he has a problem with.

Im starting to think its a peedo ring now by the way, but I dont rule anything out ya know?

Of course all the details are significant now but at the time the people involved didn’t think they would be.

Jane could have walked past the two lads and they were so busy yapping they didn’t see her.

Who knows, I really have to say that nothing I’ve heard so far makes me suspect the parents.

Spanish Eyes

dark crystal wrote: »

Sure thing....just a selection of your posts from this thread alone. Stop being disingenuous by saying you're not pro or anti McCann when your posts are quite clear in that regard.

Get a life love. It's a discussion forum. Stalking me is not a good look at all.

Obsession I call it. Honestly!

And is anything I posted incorrect? Can you prove it? Discussion is what this is, not you being totally right. No one can be about this incident.

Rock77

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

smelly sock wrote: »

It also suggests that all of them had a nice few glasses of wine at dinner too. Again nothing unusual about that.

Sorry the way this was written seems to suggest you meant they were drunk.. to me anyway

smelly sock

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Rock77 wrote: »

Sorry the way this was written seems to suggest you meant they were drunk.. to me anyway

Tipsy. Happy. Under the influence. I think the term drunk is probably subjective anyway.

Rock77

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

smelly sock wrote: »

Tipsy. Happy. Under the influence. I think the term drunk is probably subjective anyway.

I agree but I still don’t think it suggests alcohol had been taken by any of them. Maybe they just don’t remember exactly where they were standing

dark crystal

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Get a life love. It's a discussion forum. Stalking me is not a good look at all.

Stalking, lol. Quoting posts from this very thread is hardly the definition of stalking!

Obsession I call it. Honestly!

Honestly, now there's a tenuous word..

And is anything I posted incorrect? Can you prove it? Discussion is what this is, not you being totally right. No one can be about this incident.

Which part? The part where you said you weren't pro or anti McCann or that friends in high places put a D notice on reporting of the case or that the parents knew well what happened?

People can make up their own minds whether they believe any of that, quite frankly.

I just thought I'd point out just how neutral you were, "love".

Spanish Eyes

dark crystal wrote: »

Stalking, lol. Quoting posts from this very thread is hardly the definition of stalking!



Honestly, now there's a tenuous word..



Which part? The part where you said you weren't pro or anti McCann or that friends in high places put a D notice on reporting of the case or that the parents knew well what happened?

People can make up their own minds whether they believe any of that, quite frankly.

I just thought I'd point out just how neutral you were, "love".

I'm considering putting you on ignore, but I enjoy your obsessive compulsive attitude to this case. Never a change, no looking objectively. Ever. That is the epitome of obsessive.

No hard feelings though, I admire in a way your tenacity towards this.

pc7

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

I tell you one thing, I just carried my smallie into their own room asleep now (same age as Madeline was) and you’d struggle going too far too long carrying them way the images depicted it.

iamwhoiam

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

pc7 wrote: »

I tell you one thing, I just carried my smallie into their own room asleep now (same age as Madeline was) and you’d struggle going too far too long carrying them way the images depicted it.

Do you mean by the man seen by Jane Tanner ? He was later identified as a father carrying his daughter home from the night creche

pc7

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Do you mean by the man seen by Jane Tanner ? He was later identified as a father carrying his daughter home from the night creche

Yes, I mean it in the way that if you were kidnapping a child, even when young they get heavy very quick and it’s not an ideal scenario especially if they wake. So I believe if someone took her they had to have their car/van close by or the poor dote wandered off and ran into someone who took her.

dark crystal

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I'm considering putting you on ignore, but I enjoy your obsessive compulsive attitude to this case. Never a change, no looking objectively. Ever. That is the epitome of obsessive.

Rather like an obsessive need to put the McCanns through the ringer over and over again then claim neutrality. By the way, you have more posts in this thread than I do, so claiming I have a compulsive attitude to this case is a bit rich.

Feel free to put me on ignore, however, no skin off my nose! I however have no issue hearing other's opposing viewpoints, as long as they are honest and transparant about their motivations for posting them.

No hard feelings though, I admire in a way your tenacity towards this.

How magnanimous of you, thanks!

And with that, I'll try and keep the bickering to a bare minimum, as it only serves to derail the thread. Happy posting

yaboya1

So if the checks were taking place every 30mins, how was Madeleine crying the previous night for over an hour?

Spanish Eyes

dark crystal wrote: »

Rather like an obsessive need to put the McCanns through the ringer over and over again then claim neutrality. By the way, you have more posts in this thread than I do, so claiming I have a compulsive attitude to this case is a bit rich.

Feel free to put me on ignore, however, no skin off my nose! I however have no issue hearing other's opposing viewpoints, as long as they are honest and transparant about their motivations for posting them.



How magnanimous of you, thanks!

And with that, I'll try and keep the bickering to a bare minimum, as it only serves to derail the thread. Happy posting

:Pm It's ok.

iamwhoiam

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

pc7 wrote: »

Yes, I mean it in the way that if you were kidnapping a child, even when young they get heavy very quick and it’s not an ideal scenario especially if they wake. So I believe if someone took her they had to have their car/van close by or the poor dote wandered off and ran into someone who took her.

At the front of the house ( facing away from the Tapas Bar ) is a small area to park a car . It would be very easy to put a child in a car there and be gone out of the village and into the vast countryside in minutes
I cannot imagine any abductor carrying a child around the busy village like that anyway .

chicorytip

Something Else

smelly sock wrote: »

I fully agree. To think it was ok to leave kids alone like that at that age was wrong. Negligent also. At the same time it would do no good to prosecute or punish them for that. They are living a nightmare now always will. They might be responsible for creating the chance for someone to snatch her but they did not execute the deed.

You'd also have to say that someone was probably watching the party dining while the abduction was happening to keep look out.

Would the McCanns have left the children alone in England?

No, they would not have done the same at home in England. The exact circumstances in Praya Da Luz would have made them more - let's say, relaxed - in relation to keeping an eye on the kids. They were with a group of trusted friends some of whom also had their children on the trip. They were staying in what they regarded as a safe environment where there was no perceived threat from sexual predators or other types of criminals. They had implemented a system - so they maintain - of taking turns to check on the kids at regular intervals. I am sure many other parents have done similar on holiday. In no way should this be viewed as mitigation for the McCann's. To leave very small children unattended for even brief periods of time is neglectful and irresponsible but to brand them as downright bad parents in an overall sense is unfair.

smelly sock

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

chicorytip wrote: »

No, they would not have done the same at home in England. The exact circumstances in Praya Da Luz would have made them more - let's say, relaxed - in relation to keeping an eye on the kids. They were with a group of trusted friends some of whom also had their children on the trip. They were staying in what they regarded as a safe environment where there was no perceived threat from sexual predators or other types of criminals. They had implemented a system - so they maintain - of taking turns to check on the kids at regular intervals. I am sure many other parents have done similar on holiday. In no way should this be viewed as mitigation for the McCann's. To leave very small children unattended for even brief periods of time is neglectful and irresponsible but to brand them as downright bad parents in an overall sense is unfair.

I fully agree. They're not bad parents. Some scumbag had been watching them and you can be guaranteed that if it wasn't Madeline that was taken it would have been another child. Perhaps from a playground or a beach.

cgcsb

Something Else

cnocbui wrote: »

Parents don't usually go to prison when their child dies in an accident. Think drownings, of which there are huge numbers.

they probably would if they were administering drugs so they could go out on the raz.

cgcsb

Something Else

smelly sock wrote: »

What a stupid comment. How would they have known? Where did you hear that? Gerry and Kate weren't experts in criminal forensics afaik. Their child had just vanished and they were panicking. Preserving the scene wasn't on their minds.

Are you serious? Literally the whole world knows how important preserving crime scenes are. The McCanns have a scientific background.

smelly sock wrote: »

Again the Portuguese cops pointing to a contaminated crime scene is just deflecting from their own disastrous and shameful part in the whole thing.

Their investigation was a complete cluster**** from the start, by the time the search ramped up a driver could have reached Eastern Europe.

cgcsb

Something Else

cnocbui wrote: »

Right, so contrary to your claim, Gerry has never denied he was talking to someone on the road as Jane Tanner said. In fact, all of them are in agreement. The only disagreement from Gerry was about precisely where he was standing. Given the stress Gerry experienced shortly after the events, i am not surprised that he mis-remembered the exact details, as stress can negatively impact the formation of long term memories.

:rolleyes:

cgcsb

Something Else

chicorytip wrote: »

No, they would not have done the same at home in England. The exact circumstances in Praya Da Luz would have made them more - let's say, relaxed - in relation to keeping an eye on the kids. They were with a group of trusted friends some of whom also had their children on the trip. They were staying in what they regarded as a safe environment where there was no perceived threat from sexual predators or other types of criminals. They had implemented a system - so they maintain - of taking turns to check on the kids at regular intervals. I am sure many other parents have done similar on holiday. In no way should this be viewed as mitigation for the McCann's. To leave very small children unattended for even brief periods of time is neglectful and irresponsible but to brand them as downright bad parents in an overall sense is unfair.

You can't leave kids in a house on their own regardless of what you imagine the local peado / criminal count is. You wouldn't leave your keys/wallet/phone/passport in an open, unattended flat, so you shouldn't do it with children. Regardless of the possibility of intruders, the average home is full of dangers, hot water, sharp objects etc. very young children can bring harm to themselves without supervision.

Babooshka

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I am not pro or anti Mc Cann. I look at things and question some events. I have already said that I don't think they killed her. But their inaction regarding their kids care does not sit right with me at all. And I am sure I am not alone in that regard.

There is a cohort out there though that worship the parents and see nothing else. Nothing. That is not discussing things at all.

I can't understand their behaviour (at night to leave their kids while they dined and socialised) because I have a 4 yr old and I won't leave her side, ever especially on holidays. It goes against everything inside of me to think of it.

I still don't think it gives people the right to go low and debase them at every hands turn, you do it, a few others do it, it's all in the tone, the condescending, bashing, holier than thou tone that's used. People are tired of it. That's all. I wonder if some of the posters doing it are the same people who put "Be Kind" in their social media status. It reaks of curtain twitching and it's not clever at all.

Rock77

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

they probably would if they were administering drugs so they could go out on the raz.

They were not sent to prison so does that mean we should assume they didn’t administer drugs so they could go on the raz?

the_pen_turner

Something Else

Rock77 wrote: »

They were not sent to prison so does that mean we should assume they didn’t administer drugs so they could go on the raz?

That wasnt checked until months later
The fact the police checked shows they thought it warranted checking
There are lots of criminals out there not convicted of crimes they 100 percent did due to legal screw ups and not having enough evidence

cgcsb

Something Else

Rock77 wrote: »

They were not sent to prison so does that mean we should assume they didn’t administer drugs so they could go on the raz?

nope that just means that they weren't adequately investigated.