Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

McMurphy

elperello wrote: »

As I said we do not contract out the final call on the security of our head of state to the PSNI. If our side said do it by plane that's the end of it.
In order to get to the truth we might like to access the security analysis of the trip but that can never happen for obvious reasons.

I don't think his answer in the debate was in the nature of a cover up.

Let me clarify, MDH said it was a PSNI issue.

I get what you're saying about our side of security etc, but whether Higgins was being ignorant, clueless, or downright deceitful has still to be established.

Presently it looks like he is just a man with a penchant for the finer things in life.

As I say, hopefully he or his office will clarify what happened, because currently tbe police service from another jurisdiction have basically called our president a liar.

I'm not happy about that, and if I was Higgins I'd be countering that accusation.

FrancieBrady

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

The PSNI come out and dismissed Higgins claims, an offical statement that said it was "inconceivable that the President of Ireland wouldn't have had security provided for him" if asked.

Read between the lines.


Indeed, which makes Higgins cover up seem a bigger sin than the actual crime.

I expect him to be collared with this in the next head to head debate.

If he shows up.

That is not in the official PSNI statement Johnny. This is it:
"It is the long-established policy of the PSNI not to comment on the security arrangements made for individuals."

Assistant chief constable Alan Todd added: "The PSNI routinely work with visiting heads of state and other key figures visiting Northern Ireland and make full provisions for their safety in line with their requirements."


Anything else has come from 'sources' within the PSNI

elperello

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That is not in the official PSNI statement Johnny. This is it:
"It is the long-established policy of the PSNI not to comment on the security arrangements made for individuals."

Assistant chief constable Alan Todd added: "The PSNI routinely work with visiting heads of state and other key figures visiting Northern Ireland and make full provisions for their safety in line with their requirements."


Anything else has come from 'sources' within the PSNI

Precisely.

We do not know the agenda of "sources within the PSNI" and probably never will.

humberklog

What Casey said was really quite mild. I don't think he was trying to stir controversy in the initial interview. To my ear it was comments off the cuff based around a topical story re traveller's turning down houses but that story is framed in a larger national debate about a housing crisis.

The reaction by the media and his opponents and those who wait twitching to be outraged was way over the top and very disingenuous.
Casey was and is a weak candidate at best. But when his fairly bland original mumblings blew up, he was condemned.

But Casey interview and subsequent hauling over the coals has touched a nerve. He hasn't triggered racists or "deplorables". The blanket expunging of what Casey was saying by media, politicians, opponents and vocal traveller advocates has been deafening and goes against the experiences of some of the general populatuon.


I'm voting Casey. He was bottom of my list, MDH was top. Mine is a protest vote- I don't even like Casey but the reaction to his bland comments has been shocking.

Will he be president? I don't think so.
Do I want him to be president? No.
But I do want to protest the reaction that he has received by the media and opponents.

tayto lover

humberklog wrote: »

What Casey said was really quite mild. I don't think he was trying to stir controversy in the initial interview. To my ear it was comments off the cuff based around a topical story re traveller's turning down houses but that story is framed in a larger national debate about a housing crisis.

The reaction by the media and his opponents and those who wait twitching to be outraged was way over the top and very disingenuous.
Casey was and is a weak candidate at best. But his fairly bland original mumblings blew up, he was condemned.

But Casey interview and subsequent hauling over the coals has touched a nerve. He hasn't triggered racists or "deplorables". The blanket expunging of what Casey was saying by media, politicians, opponents and vocal traveller advocates has been deafening and goes against the experiences of some of the general populatuon.


I'm voting Casey. He was bottom of my list, MDH was top. Mine is a protest vote- I don't even like Casey but the reaction to his bland comments has been shocking.

Will he be president? I don't think so.
Do I want him to be president? No.
But I do want to protest the reaction by he has received by the media and opponents.

Exactly. Well said.

FrancieBrady

humberklog wrote: »

What Casey said was really quite mild. I don't think he was trying to stir controversy in the initial interview. To my ear it was comments off the cuff based around a topical story re traveller's turning down houses but that story is framed in a larger national debate about a housing crisis.

The reaction by the media and his opponents and those who wait twitching to be outraged was way over the top and very disingenuous.
Casey was and is a weak candidate at best. But his fairly bland original mumblings blew up, he was condemned.

But Casey interview and subsequent hauling over the coals has touched a nerve. He hasn't triggered racists or "deplorables". The blanket expunging of what Casey was saying by media, politicians, opponents and vocal traveller advocates has been deafening and goes against the experiences of some of the general populatuon.


I'm voting Casey. He was bottom of my list, MDH was top. Mine is a protest vote- I don't even like Casey but the reaction to his bland comments has been shocking.

Will he be president? I don't think so.
Do I want him to be president? No.
But I do want to protest the reaction by he has received by the media and opponents.

Stopped reading after the highlighted bit.

Was it not Casey who was 'outraged' and all the anti traveller folk on here? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Fann Linn

humberklog wrote: »

What Casey said was really quite mild. I don't think he was trying to stir controversy in the initial interview. To my ear it was comments off the cuff based around a topical story re traveller's turning down houses but that story is framed in a larger national debate about a housing crisis.

The reaction by the media and his opponents and those who wait twitching to be outraged was way over the top and very disingenuous.
Casey was and is a weak candidate at best. But his fairly bland original mumblings blew up, he was condemned.

But Casey interview and subsequent hauling over the coals has touched a nerve. He hasn't triggered racists or "deplorables". The blanket expunging of what Casey was saying by media, politicians, opponents and vocal traveller advocates has been deafening and goes against the experiences of some of the general populatuon.


I'm voting Casey. He was bottom of my list, MDH was top. Mine is a protest vote- I don't even like Casey but the reaction to his bland comments has been shocking.

Will he be president? I don't think so.
Do I want him to be president? No.
But I do want to protest the reaction by he has received by the media and opponents.

Same here. Ex LP member. Will still vote Mickey D but Casey gets my No 2. There is something seriously wrong in the 'state of Denmark.'

elperello

I'm "old school" when it comes to voting.

I vote for who I think is the best person for the job.

Royal Legend

humberklog wrote: »

What Casey said was really quite mild. I don't think he was trying to stir controversy in the initial interview. To my ear it was comments off the cuff based around a topical story re traveller's turning down houses but that story is framed in a larger national debate about a housing crisis.

The reaction by the media and his opponents and those who wait twitching to be outraged was way over the top and very disingenuous.
Casey was and is a weak candidate at best. But his fairly bland original mumblings blew up, he was condemned.

But Casey interview and subsequent hauling over the coals has touched a nerve. He hasn't triggered racists or "deplorables". The blanket expunging of what Casey was saying by media, politicians, opponents and vocal traveller advocates has been deafening and goes against the experiences of some of the general populatuon.


I'm voting Casey. He was bottom of my list, MDH was top. Mine is a protest vote- I don't even like Casey but the reaction to his bland comments has been shocking.

Will he be president? I don't think so.
Do I want him to be president? No.
But I do want to protest the reaction by he has received by the media and opponents.

Agree 100%

He was bottom of my list too, I saw through the MDH rhetoric and BS much earlier in the campaign, so I was always going to vote for one of the other five candidates.

He has hit a nerve and both me and my family will be voting for Casey based on a two fingers salute to the PC brigade, both government and media, telling us what is right and what is wrong.

humberklog

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Stopped reading after the highlighted bit.

Was it not Casey who was 'outraged' and all the anti traveller folk on here? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Sorry Francie- I don't have you on ignore but you're not a poster I'd engage with.

mgn

The Sunday Show on VM1 on about it now.Some idiot from the Times saying that she would love to live beside a halting site as all travellers are nice people.
Another county councillor bashing Casey objected to a halting site in his area saying that the site was to expensive for a halting site.You couldn't make it up.
I have to say for once Sarah McInerney asked a few questions that should be asked a long time ago.

FrancieBrady

humberklog wrote: »

Sorry Francie- I don't have you on ignore but you're not a poster I'd engage with.

You are from the Casey School of Politics then? :rolleyes:

Royal Legend

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Stopped reading after the highlighted bit.

Was it not Casey who was 'outraged' and all the anti traveller folk on here? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

That's a bit of a stretch and shows your ignorance, it's not Anti Traveler folk that are on here, but ordinary citizens of this country who agree that some sections of our community can get away with whatever they want and then cry that the state lets them down, its not just Travelers that do that Francie and as long as the likes of you keep defending it from your own ivory tower, it will continue infinitum.

Suckit

Royal Legend wrote: »

That's a bit of a stretch and shows your ignorance, it's not Anti Traveler folk that are on here, but ordinary citizens of this country who agree that some sections of our community can get away with whatever they want and then cry that the state lets them down, its not just Travelers that do that Francie and as long as the likes of you keep defending it from your own ivory tower, it will continue infinitum.

Pfffffttt..

Worst nonsense I've ever read on Boards, and hat says a lot.

dav3

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Stopped reading after the highlighted bit.

Was it not Casey who was 'outraged' and all the anti traveller folk on here? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

You're forgetting that there are actually people out there milking the 'Peter Casey is the real victim here' for all it's worth.

When all has failed, play the victim card.

tayto lover

dav3 wrote: »

You're forgetting that there are actually people out there milking the 'Peter Casey is the real victim here' for all it's worth.

When all has failed, play the victim card.

Like the Cash criminal played victim.

SafeSurfer

Royal Legend wrote: »

Is that the house he is renting out to "students and workers" ? :rolleyes:

No that is a separate house. The media even repeat without question the line “rented to students and workers”. What fawning BS. It’s earning Nichael D €2,200 a month. Another €26,000 to add to the socialist poets stash. The man is a fraud who’s lifetime achievement has been getting re-elected. He railed against cronyism and nepotism in his youth has feather bedded his own daughter in the Seanad. Another leech on society, living off the work of others.
He lied about being a one term president. He lied about the PSNI advising him to bring the jet and limo to Belfast. What else is he lying about?

FrancieBrady

Royal Legend wrote: »

That's a bit of a stretch and shows your ignorance, it's not Anti Traveler folk that are on here, but ordinary citizens of this country who agree that some sections of our community can get away with whatever they want and then cry that the state lets them down, its not just Travelers that do that Francie and as long as the likes of you keep defending it from your own ivory tower, it will continue infinitum.

I am not defending criminal elements among travellers. Invent that notion all you want, like other stuff you cannot back it up. It is just another lazy rant from you.

Travellers clearly don't get away with whatever they want . They are the biggest population in our prisons. Fact.

Please try and form a consistent, researched argument instead of falling back on stereotyping rants.

Royal Legend

tayto lover wrote: »

Like the Cash criminal played victim.

She is still the victim, did you not know that, not her fault that she has to steal to survive

Uncharted

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I am not defending criminal elements among travellers. Invent that notion all you want, like other stuff you cannot back it up. It is just another lazy rant from you.

Travellers clearly don't get away with whatever they want . They are the biggest population in our prisons. Fact.

Please try and form a consistent, researched argument instead of falling back on stereotyping rants.

You are some dose Francie.

Ten out of ten for consistency though,you never fail to keep your nonsense to a higher level than most.

Eggs For Dinner

AnneFrank wrote: »

Could PC be in danger of arrest over hate speech ?

Hate speech?? I loved it

Royal Legend

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I am not defending criminal elements among travellers. Invent that notion all you want, like other stuff you cannot back it up. It is just another lazy rant from you.

Travellers clearly don't get away with whatever they want . They are the biggest population in our prisons. Fact.

Please try and form a consistent, researched argument instead of falling back on stereotyping rants.

straighten out your facts there Francie, they are the biggest per capita if you treat them as an ethnic minority, not the biggest per se.

But its not their fault, its the fault of the state, did you not listen to the spokesperson from Pavee point last week, oh sorry I forgot, he does not really represent the Traveler community, only when it suits your rhetoric

stereotyping rants pot and kettle there Francie

vonlars

Nice statement released by Casey on his Twitter. No backtracking from him so fair play.

Will be interesting to see how many votes he gets. Haven’t spoken to a single person over the past few days that disagrees with him other than on here, but not sure how that will translate to votes.

I think he’s just as capable as any other candidate in terms of representing Ireland, so he’ll have my vote anyway.

FrancieBrady

Royal Legend wrote: »

straighten out your facts there Francie, they are the biggest per capita if you treat them as an ethnic minority, not the biggest per se.

But its not their fault, its the fault of the state, did you not listen to the spokesperson from Pavee point last week, oh sorry I forgot, he does not really represent the Traveler community, only when it suits your rhetoric

Any comment on your quite wrong generalised statement that 'they get away with whatever they want'?
How does that stack up against the numbers in prison?

The high horse brigade

Royal Legend wrote: »

She is still the victim, did you not know that, not her fault that she has to steal to survive

I hope that was tongue in cheek. No she doesn't. She is on a bigger income from the state than most families where both parents work

Try_harder

The high horse brigade wrote: »

I hope that was tongue in cheek. No she doesn't. She is on a bigger income from the state than most families where both parents work

If they have the same number of children its a lot clearer. Childrens Allowance is universal

FrancieBrady

vonlars wrote: »

Nice statement released by Casey on his Twitter. No backtracking from him so fair play.

Will be interesting to see how many votes he gets. Haven’t spoken to a single person over the past few days that disagrees with him other than on here, but not sure how that will translate to votes.

I think he’s just as capable as any other candidate in terms of representing Ireland, so he’ll have my vote anyway.

I think the jist of that would be 'Making Ireland Great Again'?

Gadgetman496

Royal Legend

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Any comment on your quite wrong generalised statement that 'they get away with whatever they want'?
How does that stack up against the numbers in prison?

They get away with plenty, same as some low life drug dealers or criminal elements in general society, which by the way, the drugs where i live are/were controlled by Traveler families over the last few years.

Response times from Garda to issues where traveler families are concerned in my area is beyond slow, so unlikely any convictions to serious issues that the Garda ignore.
Some of the Traveler families in our area are organised crime, which i know for a fact is an embarrassment to a lot of the settled traveler community in our area.

vonlars

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think the jist of that would be 'Making Ireland Great Again'?

I think the jist of it was more ‘let’s make productive use of the taxpayers’ money’.

Honestly, the Trump comparisons are getting a little bit old. He’s spoken out against Trump, in case you’ve missed that.