is Darndale that bad??

joe stodge

just watched a Dutch documentary about Dublin, the interviewer asked some lad in Dublin to describe how bad darndale is. The lad says “There’s little villages in eithopia that do fund raisers for darndale.”

https://www.npo3.nl/danny-in-de.../03-10-2018/VPWON_1284298

CrankyHaus

Yeah that's obviously nonsense. Darndale is a highly deprived area by Irish standards but as a result it receives a good bit of public funding.
Anyone in sub-saharan Africa would laugh at the idea that receiving free housing,free healthcare and free education up to and including third level could be considered deprived.

spurious

Results of some glorious parenting on show there, even allowing for bravado (of which there is a lot).

Squidgy Black

Darndale is a kip, but it's not as bad as most people make it out to be. There's plenty of money being pumped into the community by the government in terms of schemes, the belcamp centre etc. In my experience it's no different to Jobstown or parts of Ballyfermot etc.

The show was based around showing it at it's worst, getting the young lads to act up as much as they can and so on.

D3V!L

Its not that bad to be honest. I drive my scrambler around there most evenings and people leave us alone.

ohnonotgmail

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Yeah that's obviously nonsense. Darndale is a highly deprived area by Irish standards but as a result it receives a good bit of public funding.
Anyone in sub-saharan Africa would laugh at the idea that receiving free housing,free healthcare and free education up to and including third level could be considered deprived.

I think you just overreacted to a joke. Quite an old one as well.

Shakey_jake

Darndale failed, it needs to be flattened imo

Its a failed experiment

CrankyHaus

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I think you just overreacted to a joke. Quite an old one as well.

So much for the old ones being the best. Thank God humour's moved on.

Two man enter, one man leave.

justback83

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

joe stodge wrote: »

just watched a Dutch documentary about Dublin, the interviewer asked some lad in Dublin to describe how bad darndale is. The lad says “There’s little villages in eithopia that do fund raisers for darndale.”

https://www.npo3.nl/danny-in-de.../03-10-2018/VPWON_1284298

Hector Savage

Is there a subtitled version ?

Lollipops23

It's a shi*thole.

There was a scheme back in the 80s where the government provided half the deposit for a house on one of the roads in my estate, to get those who could and wanted to get out of Darndale.

The ones who stayed just ghetto-ised it even more. They don't want to do better, they're happy living in a sh*thole.

Alias G

Are there no ghettos in the Netherlands that he could have profiled?

Ray Palmer

Darndale is one of the worst areas in the country. Shows how successful social housing can be. That is why the government should not build social housing estates. All the worst areas are social housing areas created by the government.

ToddyDoody

Darndale (Irish: Darndál meaning '"daffodil")

wexie

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Darndale is one of the worst areas in the country. Shows how successful social housing can be. That is why the government should not build social housing estates. All the worst areas are social housing areas created by the government.

No the government should build social housing, they should just do it properly and integrate it with other types of housing rather than building it all in the same place. That's how you create ghetto's.

topper75

Alias G wrote: »

Are there no ghettos in the Netherlands that he could have profiled?

Yesh of the ghettos are there in the Nederlands oversitting around the televisieprofile but thus not with the IrskeShcumPersons thereby inliving of.

Riskymove

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Darndale (Irish: Darndmeaning '"daffodil")

Snowdrop Walk and Buttercup park among the aptly named streets....

Subcomandante Marcos

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Yeah that's obviously nonsense. Darndale is a highly deprived area by Irish standards but as a result it receives a good bit of public funding.
Anyone in sub-saharan Africa would laugh at the idea that receiving free housing,free healthcare and free education up to and including third level could be considered deprived.

As someone who's worked in both coolock and the largest urban slum in Africa I'd feel safer walking around Kibera at night time that I would walking around Darndale.

ToddyDoody

Riskymove wrote: »

Snowdrop Walk and Buttercup park among the aptly named streets....

Sound like the type of place where nothing bad ever happens.

mikemac2

Does the Hilton hotel around the corner still disown Darndale and claim to be an airport hotel

Ray Palmer

wexie wrote: »

No the government should build social housing, they should just do it properly and integrate it with other types of housing rather than building it all in the same place. That's how you create ghetto's.

So they would need to build private housing too? That is not what people are asking for nor what they point to when the go on about how they built social housing in the past.

Darndale is not a large area but huge social issues. Doesn't take many to destroy an area. I know people who grew up there and they don't think the government should build social housing from their own experience.

Proper integrated housing require more planning and means longer waits. I'll tell you now nobody buying a house wants their neighbour to have got the house for next to nothing and paid for by the state.

wexie

Ray Palmer wrote: »

I'll tell you now nobody buying a house wants their neighbour to have got the house for next to nothing and paid for by the state.

Perhaps not but we now know what happens when you put all social housing in one area?

And it would seem we can't expect corporations to build social housing, aside from the fact I'm not so sure it's something that should be left to 'the market' or done for profit.

murpho999

Alias G wrote: »

Are there no ghettos in the Netherlands that he could have profiled?

Typical Dutch viewpoint is that everything is perfect in their own country and crap in others.

Pick a small Dublin suburb to say how crap the city is.

Go take a walk around "De Bijlmer" in Amsterdam and see how you got on.

Sweet.Science

Darndale is kind of cut off and alone by itself. Its backs onto a field and a dual carriageway. One way in one way out . Houses on top of each other nearly in each others gardens. No facilities . Thousands of families dropped in at the same time . Big families. No money .

Its one of the very few social estates that never went private. A lot around roughly the same area did and are now fine

And i believe there is another thread to say these estates shouldnt have gone private

Just look what happens

wakka12

I wouldnt have thought it was so bad that foreign television presenters would cover it

monkeybutter

Ray Palmer wrote: »

So they would need to build private housing too? That is not what people are asking for nor what they point to when the go on about how they built social housing in the past.

Darndale is not a large area but huge social issues. Doesn't take many to destroy an area. I know people who grew up there and they don't think the government should build social housing from their own experience.

Proper integrated housing require more planning and means longer waits. I'll tell you now nobody buying a house wants their neighbour to have got the house for next to nothing and paid for by the state.

Why the fook do ya think they put them all in the same place in the first place

It's not by accident, they didn't go off thinking I'll drop a load of people from inner city dublin in houses in talla, ballyer and the mun and it was going to be lad de frickin da

It's so they didn't end up living up the road from them

So yes, they should build social housing, cheap basic housing

Housing didn't create the problem, allowing people to do whatever they want does.

If someone wrecks a house, no more social housing, live on the streets

Selling drugs, off to prison with ya

If you have 365 previous convictions... well that should never happen

Boom_Bap

They rob the wheels off moving cars in the 'Dale.

optogirl

wexie wrote: »

Perhaps not but we now know what happens when you put all social housing in one area?

And it would seem we can't expect corporations to build social housing, aside from the fact I'm not so sure it's something that should be left to 'the market' or done for profit.

Cabra, Crumlin, Drimnagh etc etc. The weird idea that social housing is a terrible thing is bewildering. Has nobody in your family - parents, grandparents etc etc every availed of a social house? Dublin was built on social housing.

Zulu

Ask Dublin FireBrigade, they'll give you the real picture.
It's a kip.
Utter kip.

wexie

optogirl wrote: »

wexie wrote: »

Perhaps not but we now know what happens when you put all social housing in one area?

And it would seem we can't expect corporations to build social housing, aside from the fact I'm not so sure it's something that should be left to 'the market' or done for profit.

Cabra, Crumlin, Drimnagh etc etc. The weird idea that social housing is a terrible thing is bewildering. Has nobody in your family - parents, grandparents etc etc every availed of a social house? Dublin was built on social housing.

I think you're misunderstanding me, I'm not arguing social housing is bad. It's a good and necessary thing. I just don't think segregated social housing is a good thing.

Chris_Heilong

Very depressing doc, I used to have to walk by this place on my way to school, I have not lived in Coolock for over 20 years but I heard it had gotten better, Guess I heard wrong.

Ray Palmer

wexie wrote: »

Perhaps not but we now know what happens when you put all social housing in one area?

And it would seem we can't expect corporations to build social housing, aside from the fact I'm not so sure it's something that should be left to 'the market' or done for profit.

We also know what happens when you put social housing in private developments. IFSC has a running battle with the social housing tenants disregard for other residents.

I know people who sold their homes and moved because of them.

To deny the problems with social housing tenants doesn't help. They are a problem because they don't work for what they get

Ginger83

What a kip. Imagine admitting you are from there.

jimmycrackcorm

wexie wrote:

No the government should build social housing, they should just do it properly and integrate it with other types of housing rather than building it all in the same place. That's how you create ghetto's.

All you get from that policy is a small number of people causing havoc in otherwise good private estates

The real issue is the unwillingness to remove troublemakers

super_furry

It's 'colourful'.

Mostly sh1te-brown and blood red.

w/s/p/c/

My aunt and uncle had a house there for a few years back in the 80's and I remember visiting as a kid, there was nothing to do. They moved out 1990 and he always said it was the best thing he ever did was buying their new house and getting out of there.

Asking is it that bad? Go there on the lead up to Halloween and on Halloween night and I am sure that will show you how bad the anti social behaviour gets. I lived down the road in Clarehall for 5 years and used to see it up close.

murpho999

So many people calling it a kip.

"Kip" in Dutch means "Chicken". Wonder if that confused the Dutch film makers.

Graces7

There is a darndale documentary on youtube.. Watched part of it way back....

Feisar

Ginger83 wrote: »

What a kip. Imagine admitting you are from there.

Yer from where yer from, nothing one can really do about it.

It's where you are going that matters.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

As someone who's worked in both coolock and the largest urban slum in Africa I'd feel safer walking around Kibera at night time that I would walking around Darndale.

As someone who has served in both the Lebanese civil war and the Israeli occupation of south Lebanon I feel safer walking around the streets of Beirut unarmed day or night than I would in Darndale armed to the teeth (as I was in Lebanon).

Alkers

It's improved significantly in the past few years but I'd still have my reservations. Even the lamposts are armoured!

wexie

Simona1986 wrote: »

Even the lamposts are armoured!

that's a joke right?

is it? :eek:

Alkers

wexie wrote: »

that's a joke right?

is it? :eek:

Loads of them seem to have been recently upgraded to LED but here's a sample old one.
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4019687,-6.1971834,3a,35.8y,261.91h,102.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjnkWZVUYQOtmsXW6KJGZhA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

neris

Simona1986 wrote: »

Loads of them seem to have been recently upgraded to LED but here's a sample old one.
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4019687,-6.1971834,3a,35.8y,261.91h,102.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjnkWZVUYQOtmsXW6KJGZhA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

the only upgrading the lamp posts in darndale get is a new dublin flag every year before the gaa season

Gravelly

Simona1986 wrote: »

Loads of them seem to have been recently upgraded to LED but here's a sample old one.
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4019687,-6.1971834,3a,35.8y,261.91h,102.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjnkWZVUYQOtmsXW6KJGZhA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Jesus. I've been all over the world, and I have literally never seen that before.

ohnonotgmail

Simona1986 wrote: »

Loads of them seem to have been recently upgraded to LED but here's a sample old one.
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4019687,-6.1971834,3a,35.8y,261.91h,102.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjnkWZVUYQOtmsXW6KJGZhA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

I dont get it. It is a standard metal lamppost that you can see all over dublin.

Gravelly

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I dont get it. It is a standard metal lamppost that you can see all over dublin.

With a cage around the lamp?

ohnonotgmail

Gravelly wrote: »

With a cage around the lamp?

Ah i thought it was the lamppost itself that was "amoured".

wexie

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Gravelly wrote: »

With a cage around the lamp?

Ah i thought it was the lamppost itself that was "amoured".

Well...it could be, it's hard to tell from the outside how a lamppost is doing emotionally

:pac:

Ipso

mikemac2 wrote: »

Does the Hilton hotel around the corner still disown Darndale and claim to be an airport hotel

It's on the Malahide Road, dear.