is Darndale that bad??

The Satanist

I spent a while there as a young buck, though my father actually worked hard enough to get us out of the place. It was a LOT worse in the 80's, the houses were basically back to front; what are now front gardens/doors used to be the back gardens which were walled in. The front doors opened into laneways or courtyards. And they were all brown.

It didn't seem too bad back then but my folks didn't let us out alone, we moved when I was around 7. I've been back many times and I can honestly say that it is the worst place in Ireland.

I remember back in the day, the church used to publish the total amount of money donated from all the parishes in Dublin, most were in the thousands, Darndale was something like £15. ROFL

pajor

I watched that episode a couple of weeks back. It was something else. Fine ambassadors to the country :pac:

I’ve seen another one of that series, in Marseille. I do want to watch the rest too. One big difference though, was the lads in Darndale were not afraid of the camera. Showing off how to break into a Toyota Corolla with a filed down Nissan key etc

arybvtcw0eolkf

The Satanist wrote: »

I spent a while there as a young buck, though my father actually worked hard enough to get us out of the place. It was a LOT worse in the 80's, the houses were basically back to front; what are now front gardens/doors used to be the back gardens which were walled in. The front doors opened into laneways or courtyards. And they were all brown.

It didn't seem too bad back then but my folks didn't let us out alone, we moved when I was around 7. I've been back many times and I can honestly say that it is the worst place in Ireland.

I remember back in the day, the church used to publish the total amount of money donated from all the parishes in Dublin, most were in the thousands, Darndale was something like £15. ROFL

A bit after the 80's but I used to do deliveries for Thang Kong in Priorswood and we used to have to have a runner to deliver to the doors because car's weren't safe left alone.

I lost count of the amount of times the runner was beaten up and robbed, coming back to the car beat up and crying (they were always kids).

When we'd be delivering and a cop vehicle would go onto the Darndale ring road we'd have to pull in and wait for the garda vehicle to go a little ahead of us because the lads would be waiting to brick them.. The ring road would be like missile ally.

That was back in the 90's. The place is a nightmare.

Do I a 5km run every Saturday morning, its called 'Parkrun' and they're held all over Ireland (and 20 other countries). My 'home run' is Saint Annes park where we get over 400 runners, I'm also a regular at Father Collins Park (70-100 runners).. Darndale park has one, its got more outside volunteers show up than local runners. It averages less than 10, and visitors are advised to park their cars over in Tescos in Clarehall and walk over to the park.

The locals just aren't getting behind anything which requires effort.

fleet_admiral

If you see a dog with a tail its a tourist

Jack Moore

Messiah Fancy Rhino wrote: »

A bit after the 80's but I used to do deliveries for Thang Kong in Priorswood and we used to have to have a runner to deliver to the doors because car's weren't safe left alone.

I lost count of the amount of times the runner was beaten up and robbed, coming back to the car beat up and crying (they were always kids).

When we'd be delivering and a cop vehicle would go onto the Darndale ring road we'd have to pull in and wait for the garda vehicle to go a little ahead of us because the lads would be waiting to brick them.. The ring road would be like missile ally.

That was back in the 90's. The place is a nightmare.

Do I a 5km run every Saturday morning, its called 'Parkrun' and they're held all over Ireland (and 20 other countries). My 'home run' is Saint Annes park where we get over 400 runners, I'm also a regular at Father Collins Park (70-100 runners).. Darndale park has one, its got more outside volunteers show up than local runners. It averages less than 10, and visitors are advised to park their cars over in Tescos in Clarehall and walk over to the park.

The locals just aren't getting behind anything which requires effort.

Same as that
I was a motorcycle courier by day and a doorman by night
And darnedale was too rough

ArchXStanton

Came across this photograph collection by a French photographer,few photos of darndale in it,granted they're a few years old,but it made the Soviet union look appealing

https://pro.magnumphotos.com/Catalogue/Martine-Franck/1993/IRELAND-NN112611.html

Franz Von Peppercorn

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Came across this photograph collection by a French photographer,few photos of darndale in it,granted they're a few years old,but it made the Soviet union look appealing

https://pro.magnumphotos.com/Catalogue/Martine-Franck/1993/IRELAND-NN112611.html

Everything is poor in stark black and white.

I actually just did a mini tour on google street view and it’s nothing like the worst areas I have seen in the 80s and 90s as a kid.

https://goo.gl/maps/ASFVG6kVwkR2

Contrast with Dear old dirty Dublin in the 80s

https://m.independent.ie/entertainment/books/book-reviews/capturing-dublins-lost-communities-34939391.html

The Satanist

Messiah Fancy Rhino wrote: »

A bit after the 80's but I used to do deliveries for Thang Kong in Priorswood and we used to have to have a runner to deliver to the doors because car's weren't safe left alone.

I lost count of the amount of times the runner was beaten up and robbed, coming back to the car beat up and crying (they were always kids).

When we'd be delivering and a cop vehicle would go onto the Darndale ring road we'd have to pull in and wait for the garda vehicle to go a little ahead of us because the lads would be waiting to brick them.. The ring road would be like missile ally.

That was back in the 90's. The place is a nightmare.

Do I a 5km run every Saturday morning, its called 'Parkrun' and they're held all over Ireland (and 20 other countries). My 'home run' is Saint Annes park where we get over 400 runners, I'm also a regular at Father Collins Park (70-100 runners).. Darndale park has one, its got more outside volunteers show up than local runners. It averages less than 10, and visitors are advised to park their cars over in Tescos in Clarehall and walk over to the park.

The locals just aren't getting behind anything which requires effort.

The older parts of Coolock had a great community spirit, despite having the same perceived deprivation. I'd say the only other place that could've given Darndale a run for its money was Finglas South back in the day. Thankfully I haven't been there in over 20 years, last time was a summer job helping with deliveries to the shops, getting bricked out of it in broad daylight lol

The Satanist

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Everything is poor in stark black and white.

I actually just did a mini tour on google street view and it’s nothing like the worst areas I have seen in the 80s and 90s as a kid.

https://goo.gl/maps/ASFVG6kVwkR2

Contrast with Dear old dirty Dublin in the 80s

https://m.independent.ie/entertainment/books/book-reviews/capturing-dublins-lost-communities-34939391.html

https://youtu.be/a0p8e1MUC0E
:eek:

showpony1

Lack of facilities

BoJack Horseman

Never been, but looking at it on Google street view, the architect must have been a chimpanzee with downs.
The buildings are so oddly laid out.

Just nuke it and start again, next time with high-rise towers..... to give them something to whinge about.

Donald Trump

As the snow flies
On a cold and gray Darndale mornin
A poor little baby child is born
In the ghetto
And his oul' wan cries
Cause if there's one thing that she don't need
Its another hungry mouth to feed
In the free house, in the ghetto

People, don't you understand
The child needs a helping hand
Or he'll grow to be an angry young man some day
Take a look at you and me,
Are we too blind to see,
Do we simply turn our heads
And look the other way

Well the world turns
And a hungry little boy with a runny nose
Plays in the street as the cold wind blows
In the ghetto

And his hunger burns
So he starts to roam the streets at night
And he learns how to steal
And he learns how to fight
In the ghetto

Then one night in desperation
A young man breaks away
He buys a gun, steals a car,
Tries to run, but he don't get far
And his mama cries

As a crowd gathers round an angry young man
Face down on the street with a gun in his hand
In the ghetto

As her young man dies,
On a cold and gray Darndale mornin,
Another little baby child is born
In the ghetto





One of those two youngfellas is now a consultant cardiologist in the Mater Private
Other is fairly high up out in the European Commission over in Brussels

Atoms for Peace

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Two man enter, one man leave.

Out of the ruins, out from the wreckage
Can't make the same mistakes this time
We are the children, the last generation
We are the ones they left behind
And I wonder when we are ever gonna change?
Living under the fear, till nothing else remains

KyussB

The Satanist: ...I can honestly say that it is the worst place in Ireland.

Well fuck me, that's that settled then - got that from the highest authority.

r93kaey5p2izun

It's a wretched place and nothing good about it at all really. But at the same time, no, it's not that bad.

evolving tipperary

The Satanist wrote: »

I spent a while there as a young buck, though my father actually worked hard enough to get us out of the place. It was a LOT worse in the 80's, the houses were basically back to front; what are now front gardens/doors used to be the back gardens which were walled in. The front doors opened into laneways or courtyards. And they were all brown.

It didn't seem too bad back then but my folks didn't let us out alone, we moved when I was around 7. I've been back many times and I can honestly say that it is the worst place in Ireland.

I remember back in the day, the church used to publish the total amount of money donated from all the parishes in Dublin, most were in the thousands, Darndale was something like £15. ROFL

Well, you grew up to be a satanist so Darndale did you no harm at all!

JupiterKid

Darndale is an extremely deprived area and has a reputation for being very rough and rather dangerous.

When it was built in the 1970s and early 80s it was an "experimental" design where the dwellings faced little courtyards - it was modelled on a UK housing estate in Andover in England (which itself was a huge social failure) - anywho this design meant that was little to no "defensible space" where residents could monitor and curtail anti-social activity. Mix this major layout flaw with the estate slipping into being the most deprived in the country by the late 1980s due to the Surrender Grant and Dublin Corpo allocation policies and you have a recipe for disaster.

I know a bit about how estate design can create social problems as I did my Masters Thesis on the evolution of local authority housing estate design 1930-1990.

JupiterKid

Would I be correct in saying that Darndale's estate design consisted of a lot of small courtyards, that had alleyways through them to other areas/courtyards (which in itself created issues.. as needless amounts of alleyways tend to do).

But that Dublin Council went in and closed off all these alleyways and made the courtyards cul-de-sacs, so you couldn't pass through them anymore? Apparently this has cut down on a lot of the issues in the area?

JupiterKid wrote: »

I know a bit about how estate design can create social problems as I did my Masters Thesis on the evolution of local authority housing estate design 1930-1990.

Interesting. Are there any online resources that claim to have solutions to the poor design of such estates? I find the estate layout in itself can be the cause of anti-social behaviour, but i wonder has there been anything conclusive in terms of estate re-design (altering the area without demolishing it) that can assist with removal of the undesirable behaviour.

Corb_lund

wexie wrote: »

No the government should build social housing, they should just do it properly and integrate it with other types of housing rather than building it all in the same place. That's how you create ghetto's.

Yes I like the idea of paying a fortune to buy and house and spend half my life paying off whilst my neighbour gets the same and never works..

rob316

Always remember talking to someone a few years back who lived their in the late 90s. I asked him how bad it was? "I'd rather go live in Iraq than there"

Elessar

Corb_lund wrote: »

Yes I like the idea of paying a fortune to buy and house and spend half my life paying off whilst my neighbour gets the same and never works..

You’ll have no choice in most new housing developments. Already in Fingal 1200 new houses being built in donabate will have 30% social housing and they will be “pepper potted” (their words) into the estate, and would be private buyers will not be allowed to know which houses are social ones. So after moving your family into a lovey 3/4 bed new ~€400k home, you could find out you’re now living next to the worst social welfare tenants the council has to offer.

It’s an absolute kick in the teeth for law abiding tax payers, and as someone looking to buy in the next few years I am in dread of this. I will gladly pay more to avoid the potential of getting problem social housing tenants next to me, as I’m sure many others would too.

murpho999

rob316 wrote: »

Always remember talking to someone a few years back who lived their in the late 90s. I asked him how bad it was? "I'd rather go live in Iraq than there"

Did this someone actually spend some time in Iraq to enable him to make a proper comparison?

rob316

murpho999 wrote: »

Did this someone actually spend some time in Iraq to enable him to make a proper comparison?

I don't know don't think so he was a rep for a supplier where I work. I've a good bit of family in Dublin so was just asking where he was from.

Does it matter it's a joke just like the op's post about Ethiopia.

Ush1

Elessar wrote: »

You’ll have no choice in most new housing developments. Already in Fingal 1200 new houses being built in donabate will have 30% social housing and they will be “pepper potted” (their words) into the estate, and would be private buyers will not be allowed to know which houses are social ones. So after moving your family into a lovey 3/4 bed new ~€400k home, you could find out you’re now living next to the worst social welfare tenants the council has to offer.

It’s an absolute kick in the teeth for law abiding tax payers, and as someone looking to buy in the next few years I am in dread of this. I will gladly pay more to avoid the potential of getting problem social housing tenants next to me, as I’m sure many others would too.

To me this is an interesting policy and I think it's in effect screwing over the younger generation who are moving into new estates.

The older generation (including politicians etc..) don't have to worry about being cheek and jowl with the great unwashed, whereas couples who are paying big money for a new house for the very reason of avoiding anti social neighbours and hotspots are now in a lottery. Not to mention that their neighbour is essentially getting the same thing as them for a fraction of the cost.

Hurrache

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Never been, but looking at it on Google street view, the architect must have been a chimpanzee with downs.
The buildings are so oddly laid out.

I guess a lot of the new stuff is as result of infill housing. Years ago councils throughout Dublin thought it would be a good idea to combat anti social activity by building houses on any bit of green space they could, often leading to worse conditions that were there previously. Lets move lots more families in, but we'll remove any bit of green space first where the kids can play.

Donald Trump

Deleted User wrote: »

Interesting. Are there any online resources that claim to have solutions to the poor design of such estates?

I think that this has been proposed by some noted scholars who worked on the issues.






Whether I agree with their findings is another matter I cannot comment on

corner of hells

Elessar wrote: »

You’ll have no choice in most new housing developments. Already in Fingal 1200 new houses being built in donabate will have 30% social housing and they will be “pepper potted” (their words) into the estate, and would be private buyers will not be allowed to know which houses are social ones. So after moving your family into a lovey 3/4 bed new ~€400k home, you could find out you’re now living next to the worst social welfare tenants the council has to offer.

It’s an absolute kick in the teeth for law abiding tax payers, and as someone looking to buy in the next few years I am in dread of this. I will gladly pay more to avoid the potential of getting problem social housing tenants next to me, as I’m sure many others would too.

I work in homeless services specifically around supporting people getting housed , what's happening now is that when local authorities have someone to house they go through to estate management checks first to purposely identify problem family's or individuals .
After that a housing association interviews the individuals or family to decide on suitability.The housing associations now charities/ngo independent of the local authorities and they have more power over selection to be housed and are quicker to deal with problem tenants.

So to say you could end up living beside a problem family is not quite true.

topper75

corner of hells wrote: »

I work in homeless services specifically around supporting people getting housed , what's happening now is that when local authorities have someone to house they go through to estate management checks first to purposely identify problem family's or individuals .
After that a housing association interviews the individuals or family to decide on suitability.The housing associations now charities/ngo independent of the local authorities and they have more power over selection to be housed and are quicker to deal with problem tenants.

So to say you could end up living beside a problem family is not quite true.

Sounds like genuine progress to me. Social housing can be really great - but when it is coupled with loose laissez-faire law and order, disaster ensues. It is a mistake to blame the social housing concept per se for these past woes.

Hurrache

corner of hells wrote: »

I work in homeless services specifically around supporting people getting housed , what's happening now is that when local authorities have someone to house they go through to estate management checks first to purposely identify problem family's or individuals .
After that a housing association interviews the individuals or family to decide on suitability.The housing associations now charities/ngo independent of the local authorities and they have more power over selection to be housed and are quicker to deal with problem tenants.

So to say you could end up living beside a problem family is not quite true.

Isn't the housing association interview process only applicable when someone is being housed in home that the housing association bought?

Someone has to live beside a problem family if that family gets housed.

corner of hells

Hurrache wrote: »

Isn't the housing association interview process only applicable when someone is being housed in home that the housing association bought?

Someone has to live beside a problem family if that family gets housed.

Yes. What's happening is that housing associations are buying up more and more stock.
Local Authorities do not want the hassle anymore of large amounts of properties.

There are people who will never be or at least not for years by anyone because if behavior.