Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

MrMusician18

Tell me how wrote: »

It seems the most prescient argument at the moment is which channel will hold the debate.

BBC News



A, Should this not be something which is Broadcast on any channel which wishes to show it?
B, It will be interesting if the BBC do host it given the strong and growing accusations of bias.
C, The selection of the chair of the debate will be key
D, Were Channel 4/Sky not in the mix for hosting?
E, If Corbyn did make the point above about the final of IACGMOOH, is it not another example of shockingly blase attitude to the whole thing, even if he was making a joke?

Point E was obviously a joke. He wants it on ITV since they are more open to the format he wants: a 1 on 1 wide ranging debate not limited to Brexit.

He wants to use this as a platform for a general election campaign.

Akrasia

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Sky would be pointless - Pay channel which more people do not have than do (we forget this in Ireland where pay cable and Sky sat are ubiquitous)

It has to be on BBC One or ITV.

Or Channel 4?
Channel 4's coverage of the brexit debacle has probably been the best out of the UK terrestrial channels.

Tell me how

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Sky would be pointless - Pay channel which more people do not have than do (we forget this in Ireland where pay cable and Sky sat are ubiquitous)

It has to be on BBC One or ITV.

Personally I'd like to see Channel 4 with Jon Snow moderating but I suspect he's on the PM's blacklist given she refused to be interviewed by him at the Conservative convention.

An Ciarraioch

One of the 312 UK nationals who took out Irish citizenship this week:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/my-desire-to-be-an-irish-citizen-was-increased-by-brexit-s-follies-1.3713734

Akrasia

Tell me how wrote: »

Blamed by who? In what context were some of the English lads speaking? Were they asked to defend that position?

Do we need to send James O'Brien to take them for a pint?

In fairness, it is all Ireland's fault for being invaded and occupied by the English for 800 years and then having a war of independence and the English saying we could only have 3/4 of the island back, and then decades later following a bloody civil war having a peace process that involved an international treaty signed by the UK and Ireland with conditions that make their current brexit a little bit awkward for them.

listermint

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

One of the 312 UK nationals who took out Irish citizenship this week:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/my-desire-to-be-an-irish-citizen-was-increased-by-brexit-s-follies-1.3713734

I would question how he managed to get it though ?

Harry Palmr

On what grounds is it open to question?

An Ciarraioch

Naturalisation, rather than through descent.

robinph

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Naturalisation, rather than through descent.

But "home" was listed as in the UK.

Would need to be ordinarily resident for 5 of the previous 12 years to get that (may have the numbers wrong). It sounds like he just flies over to Trinity every now and then. Maybe if he's doing that every week though he might clock up enough days per year to count as resident in Ireland rather than the UK.

Strazdas

robinph wrote: »

But "home" was listed as in the UK.

Would need to be ordinarily resident for 5 of the previous 12 years to get that (may have the numbers wrong). It sounds like he just flies over to Trinity every now and then. Maybe if he's doing that every week though he might clock up enough days per year to count as resident in Ireland rather than the UK.

Not necessarily continuously though, he may have clocked up enough years on the clock when all added together.

An Ciarraioch

At least they can still fly to America next year:

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46380463

BonnieSituation

listermint wrote: »

I would question how he managed to get it though ?

When I read it this morning that was my first thought.

blanch152

Akrasia wrote: »

In fairness, it is all Ireland's fault for being invaded and occupied by the English for 800 years and then having a war of independence and the English saying we could only have 3/4 of the island back, and then decades later following a bloody civil war having a peace process that involved an international treaty signed by the UK and Ireland with conditions that make their current brexit a little bit awkward for them.

Ireland didn't exist before the British organised us.

We are like India and Pakistan and other made-up countries created by British colonialism. There was no single Irish identity or single Irish political unit before the British created one.

Sam Russell

blanch152 wrote: »

Ireland didn't exist before the British organised us.

We are like India and Pakistan and other made-up countries created by British colonialism. There was no single Irish identity or single Irish political unit before the British created one.

Ard Ri?

blanch152

Sam Russell wrote: »

Ard Ri?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ireland#/media/File:Www.wesleyjohnston.com-users-ireland-maps-historical-map1014.gif

"By the 12th century, Ireland was divided politically into a shifting hierarchy of petty kingdoms and over-kingdoms. Power was exercised by the heads of a few regional dynasties vying against each other for supremacy over the whole island."

First Up

blanch152 wrote: »

Sam Russell wrote: »

Ard Ri?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ireland#/media/File:Www.wesleyjohnston.com-users-ireland-maps-historical-map1014.gif

"By the 12th century, Ireland was divided politically into a shifting hierarchy of petty kingdoms and over-kingdoms. Power was exercised by the heads of a few regional dynasties vying against each other for supremacy over the whole island."

So was most of Europe.

Professor Moriarty

blanch152 wrote: »

Ireland didn't exist before the British organised us.

We are like India and Pakistan and other made-up countries created by British colonialism. There was no single Irish identity or single Irish political unit before the British created one.

There was no Kingdom of Ireland. However, in the vast majority of the island there was a society with a common language, common customs, common religion, common laws etc. Being Irish was very distinct.

An Ciarraioch

blanch152 wrote: »

Akrasia wrote: »

In fairness, it is all Ireland's fault for being invaded and occupied by the English for 800 years and then having a war of independence and the English saying we could only have 3/4 of the island back, and then decades later following a bloody civil war having a peace process that involved an international treaty signed by the UK and Ireland with conditions that make their current brexit a little bit awkward for them.

Ireland didn't exist before the British organised us.

We are like India and Pakistan and other made-up countries created by British colonialism. There was no single Irish identity or single Irish political unit before the British created one.

Neither had Germany, Italy, Spain, Russia or modern France during the same era.

ArmaniJeanss

I'm not sure this TV debate is good for anyone still clinging to Peoples Vote/2nd Referendum.

Corbyn performs poorly in this debate and May looks like a fantastic stateswoman - pressure grows on her MPs to back her and vote for the deal.
Chances of deal passing improve.

Corbyn performs brilliant in this debate, buries May and looks like a future PM - pressure grows on ERG to take any Brexit they can whilst they can, and other Tory MPs panic at the thought of losing their seat in any imminent GE if the deal vote is rejected. Chances of deal passing improve.

An Ciarraioch

Some significant findings in a new poll - 422 GB constituencies now Remain, which is on 56% overall, Welsh Leave vote has virtually collapsed, 66% support a new referendum:

http://twitter.com/RhunapIorwerth/status/1067924278438477825

FrancieBrady

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

I'm not sure this TV debate is good for anyone still clinging to Peoples Vote/2nd Referendum.

Corbyn performs poorly in this debate and May looks like a fantastic stateswoman - pressure grows on her MPs to back her and vote for the deal.
Chances of deal passing improve.

Corbyn performs brilliant in this debate, buries May and looks like a future PM - pressure grows on ERG to take any Brexit they can whilst they can, and other Tory MPs panic at the thought of losing their seat in any imminent GE if the deal vote is rejected. Chances of deal passing improve.

Has anyone found out what May's people mean by 'wanting a panel' for the debate?

judeboy101

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Has anyone found out what May's people mean by 'wanting a panel' for the debate?

Either one v one with 3 or more moderators.
One v one followed by a panel discussion with ppl from both sides
One v one with town hall style q&a similar to tm's BBC "debate" but this time with Corby on stage

RobMc59

blanch152 wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ireland#/media/File:Www.wesleyjohnston.com-users-ireland-maps-historical-map1014.gif

"By the 12th century, Ireland was divided politically into a shifting hierarchy of petty kingdoms and over-kingdoms. Power was exercised by the heads of a few regional dynasties vying against each other for supremacy over the whole island."

You're going to take some outraged flack-probably saying"well all of Europe was like that"....

FrancieBrady

judeboy101 wrote: »

Either one v one with 3 or more moderators.
One v one followed by a panel discussion with ppl from both sides
One v one with town hall style q&a similar to tm's BBC "debate" but this time with Corby on stage

Is that a guess or the actual options?

RobMc59

Oh well-there's one piece of lighter news for the British-macron was apparently incandescent with rage when he found out the UK retain control of their waters,according to Gove.

Sam Russell

RobMc59 wrote: »

Oh well-there's one piece of lighter news for the British-macron was apparently incandescent with rage when he found out the UK retain control of their waters,according to Gove.

Retaining the rights to fish is OK but the UK do not eat their own fish - they export it and import the fish they eat.

EdgeCase

I have my doubts he was incandescent with anything tbh.

There's a British tabloid-like agenda to paint Macron, Varadkar, Merkel, JC Juncker and anyone else as being full of rage and fire or somehow in a panic to pander to the UK's demands.

In reality, they probably responded pretty blandly.

I don't even bother listening to the Brexiteers' commentaries on other politicians moods anymore. They are always trying to get a tabloid headline. I'd rather deal with facts.

RobMc59

EdgeCase wrote: »

I have my doubts he was incandescent with anything tbh.

There's a British tabloid-like agenda to paint Macron, Varadkar, Merkel, JC Juncker and anyone else as being full of rage and fire or somehow in a panic to pander to the UK's demands.

In reality, they probably responded pretty blandly.

Personally I doubted it as it was the telegraph who along with the BBC seem biased to say the least.

RobMc59

Sam Russell wrote: »

Retaining the rights to fish is OK but the UK do not eat their own fish - they export it and import the fish they eat.

Countries will still buy mackrel and Britain will still buy fish from the Scandinavian countries-nothing new there.

flatty

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Some significant findings in a new poll - 422 GB constituencies now Remain, which is on 56% overall, Welsh Leave vote has virtually collapsed, 66% support a new referendum:

http://twitter.com/RhunapIorwerth/status/1067924278438477825

Fcuking Welsh. Voting with their wallets as usual. Where were they when this was a vote of principle? Parading behind the brexit bus.