Cut children's allowance after 3 kids

Eggs For Dinner

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Steady up with the beastality.

I don't think you've being doing it right

Wheeliebin30

myshirt wrote: »

All these threads laying into those on welfare is not consistent with the fact that the bulk of this country is actually sucking on the tit of the State whether you believe it or not. Is it just you guys don't know it?

1 in 2 is on some sort of welfare.

CruelCoin

Pero_Bueno wrote: »

You do realise there is 7 Billion people in the world?

Totally unsustainable.

Not in the least.

It's unsustainable in places like Africa or Asia where there is massive food/resource pressure, and where it's not reasonable to expect a desert to pump out extra food at the rate of population increase.

Elsewhere? Plenty of food to go around and the population can increase a good bit.

CruelCoin

Deleted User wrote: »

The idea of there being a Children's Allowance which incentivises people to have more children only exists in the minds of the morons here who utterly fail to see how the wealthiest in society have a myriad of ways to ensure they get much more from the state than somebody on welfare could ever get.

The top 10% in Ireland pay 90% of the income tax.

I have no problem with them getting a back some of this massively unfair imbalance.

Deebles McBeebles

CruelCoin wrote: »

Not in the least.

It's unsustainable in places like Africa or Asia where there is massive food/resource pressure, and where it's not reasonable to expect a desert to pump out extra food at the rate of population increase.

Elsewhere? Plenty of food to go around and the population can increase a good bit.

We could carpet bomb Africa, reseed and turn it into one big farm for our lovely rashers and steaks. Sorry, pigs and cows.

No need to worry about how the population effects climate change and loss of habitat/forest. We'll be dead before the last tiger goes down.

CruelCoin

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

We could carpet bomb Africa, reseed and turn it into one big farm for our lovely rashers and steaks. Sorry, pigs and cows.

No need to worry about how the population effects climate change and loss of habitat/forest. We'll be dead before the last tiger goes down.

Loss of habitat? You see much in the way of slash and burn agriculture in the first world?

Point the finger where it needs to be pointed.

Deebles McBeebles

CruelCoin wrote: »

Loss of habitat? You see much in the way of slash and burn agriculture in the first world?

Point the finger where it needs to be pointed.

I see it where its needed to feed the ever growing population of the world. Where it happens doesn't matter.

FishOnABike

bnt wrote: »

As for the point about Europe's population aging and shrinking - that is a natural intelligent reaction to the state of the world. We should be more concerned about those who don't see the problem and keep on expanding their populations.

Who do you think will be paying tax towards your pension when you retire?

If the population keeps aging and shrinking there will be fewer and fewer people of working age paying into the tax kitty to pay your pension (and other publicly funded services.

This is already a looming problem causing the pensionable age to be gradually increased.

TOMs WIFE

FishOnABike wrote: »

Who do you think will be paying tax towards your pension when you retire? .

Probably, on balance, not the majority of families with 10 kids.

ELM327

Cut all child benefit.
People will procreate anyway.

MarkY91

Fair enough. The state paying for 3 kids is more than generous to these morons.

Don't have kids you can't afford. Problem solved.

TOMs WIFE

MarkY91 wrote: »

Fair enough. The state paying for 3 kids is more than generous to these morons.

Don't have kids you can't afford. Problem solved.

And even more generous after budget.

marieholmfan

TOMs WIFE wrote: »

Cut children's allowance after 3 kids.
Any more it's your choice, like Sky Sports.
It encourages people who shouldn't have more, and those who really can't afford more, to have more.

Allowance for 9th kid? Crazy. We'd see a little more restraint and more room in Garda Station waiting rooms if it was stopped.

Increase it after the third kid. Money gets tight. Just for Irish people though.

What we really need to cut is health care for the elderly.

Shelli2

Means test CA payment. People with a total income of 100k+ dont need CA.

Put the saved money into subsidised childcare for working parents.



Also.....yes, cut CA after 3rd child....if you can't afford them, don't have them.

Deebles McBeebles

marieholmfan wrote: »

Increase it after the third kid. Money gets tight. Just for Irish people though.

Why just Irish people? What about Nigerian/Polish families who work and live in Ireland?

marieholmfan

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Why just Irish people? What about Nigerian/Polish families who work and live in Ireland?

I am sure many of them are fine people and if one parent is Irish of course the same riles should apply.

One eyed Jack

Shelli2 wrote: »

Means test CA payment. People with a total income of 100k+ dont need CA.

Put the saved money into subsidised childcare for working parents.

Also.....yes, cut CA after 3rd child....if you can't afford them, don't have them.

So a family with a household income over €100k doesn’t need CB payment, but their childcare should be subsidised with the savings from them not qualifying for CB, and if they have four children and can’t afford to give those children the lifestyle they would want, well those working parents shouldn’t have had children that they couldn’t afford without subsidised childcare!


Are you sure you’ve thought this through?

end of the road

MarkY91 wrote: »

Fair enough. The state paying for 3 kids is more than generous to these morons.

Don't have kids you can't afford. Problem solved.

we don't live in utopia so that's not going to happen.

jjmcclure

PirateShampoo wrote: »

With "Professionals" putting off having children until later life and then having only 1 or 2, where do you think the future generations are going to come from to pay for your free bus pass, medical card and state pension?

I'd advise viewing the cult film "Idiocracy". We continue to encourage those on state benefits to have lots of kids so they can claim more cash e.g. Ms Margaret Cash.

With well educated professionals choosing to have fewer children, and putting off having children at all, eventually the slack jawed, layabout, welfare scroungers will out breed the hard working, diligent, intelligent (some) people of Ireland and you will be left with a country full of tracksuit wearing, Conor McGreggor worshiping, Kardashian envying wasters.


We need to encourage the "professionals" to have more kids and the "wasters" to have less

marieholmfan

Rubbish. The most important job for any Irishwoman is mother. Those who delay that joy and burden unduly are the real idiots.

jjmcclure wrote: »

I'd advise viewing the cult film "Idiocracy". We continue to encourage those on state benefits to have lots of kids so they can claim more cash e.g. Ms Margaret Cash.

With well educated professionals choosing to have fewer children, and putting off having children at all, eventually the slack jawed, layabout, welfare scroungers will out breed the hard working, diligent, intelligent (some) people of Ireland and you will be left with a country full of tracksuit wearing, Conor McGreggor worshiping, Kardashian envying wasters.


We need to encourage the "professionals" to have more kids and the "wasters" to have less

Deebles McBeebles

marieholmfan wrote: »

I am sure many of them are fine people and if one parent is Irish of course the same riles should apply.

Your whole idea is an interesting mix of rewarding people for having kids they can't afford and thinly-veiled racism.

marieholmfan

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Your whole idea is an interesting mix of rewarding people for having kids they can't afford and thinly-veiled racism.

Is it racist to give preference to Irish people in awarding state benefits?

Deebles McBeebles

marieholmfan wrote: »

Rubbish. The most important job for any Irishwoman is mother. Those who delay that joy and burden unduly are the real idiots.

marieholmfan wrote: »

Is it racist to give preference to Irish people in awarding state benefits?

Well, yes. As long as the person in question is contributing like anyone else I don't see the need for preferences. Is it racist that one parent needs to be Irish in order to qualify? Yeeeeah.

Is the first post I quoted absolutely ridiculous? Yep.

Cina

end of the road wrote: »

we don't live in utopia so that's not going to happen.

It already does happen for professionals.

Contraception is widely available. It's not the 60's anymore. Ms. Cash and the like are having kids because they want the $$, it's no accident.

Cina

marieholmfan wrote: »

Is it racist to give preference to Irish people in awarding state benefits?

Yes.

One eyed Jack

jjmcclure wrote: »

I'd advise viewing the cult film "Idiocracy".

That was a comedy, not a historical documentary. Sure I might as well suggest you watch Logan’s Run or Soylent Green, also both cult classics with a particularly dystopian narrative.

We continue to encourage those on state benefits to have lots of kids so they can claim more cash e.g. Ms Margaret Cash.

You’re assuming motivations based upon your own mindset, not theirs. They don’t have large families for any monetary gain, but rather for the sole and simple reason that they place more value in family than they do in money.

With well educated professionals choosing to have fewer children, and putting off having children at all, eventually the slack jawed, layabout, welfare scroungers will out breed the hard working, diligent, intelligent (some) people of Ireland and you will be left with a country full of tracksuit wearing, Conor McGreggor worshiping, Kardashian envying wasters.

“Well educated professionals” have been coming out with that sort of doomsayer nonsense since the beginning of civilisation. The irony of course is that if it were ever enacted, chances are you wouldn’t exist now. I’m guessing you’re not familiar with the concept of social mobility

We need to encourage the "professionals" to have more kids and the "wasters" to have less

Equally as likely those children like their parents will turn out to be complete **** too. Fortunately for the rest of society, as you so eloquently point out - they will always be in a minority, and there simply aren’t enough of them to effect the changes you would wish to see in society.

jjmcclure

One eyed Jack wrote: »

That was a comedy, not a historical documentary. Sure I might as well suggest you watch Logan’s Run or Soylent Green, also both cult classics with a particularly dystopian narrative.




You’re assuming motivations based upon your own mindset, not theirs. They don’t have large families for any monetary gain, but rather for the sole and simple reason that they place more value in family than they do in money.





“Well educated professionals” have been coming out with that sort of doomsayer nonsense since the beginning of civilisation. The irony of course is that if it were ever enacted, chances are you wouldn’t exist now. I’m guessing you’re not familiar with the concept of social mobility





Equally as likely those children like their parents will turn out to be complete **** too. Fortunately for the rest of society, as you so eloquently point out - they will always be in a minority, and there simply aren’t enough of them to effect the changes you would wish to see in society.

As you sip over your pint of porter this afternoon please remember it's that minority who pay for everything in this state! And I'm guessing they paid for your pint also!

marieholmfan

Cina wrote: »

It already does happen for professionals.

Contraception is widely available. It's not the 60's anymore. Ms. Cash and the like are having kids because they want the $$, it's no accident.

Catholics are not supposed to use contraception.

topper75

PirateShampoo wrote: »

With "Professionals" putting off having children until later life and then having only 1 or 2, where do you think the future generations are going to come from to pay for your free bus pass, medical card and state pension?

And so we keep doing that ... forever?? Exponentially?

Yeah. We may need a better plan than that.

One eyed Jack

jjmcclure wrote: »

As you sip over your pint of porter this afternoon please remember it's that minority who pay for everything in this state!

I’m absolutely certain that it’s not a minority who pay for everything in this State. Don’t go patting yourself on the back just yet.

And I'm guessing they paid for your pint also!

That’s all you’d be doing about anyone else’s circumstances but your own, is guessing. It’s easy to see now why you think it a good idea to encourage middle income households to have more children than they decide they can afford because other people have more children than you think they can afford, like one has any bearing on the other.

Your idea would just create plenty more of the types of families you’re rallying against now, only much faster.