Quality of Indo journalism

Dr. Bre

Anything but independent

TOMs WIFE

McGaggs wrote: »

All those words, no semblance of a message to impart.

This sums up the article.

daheff

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

That Independent still shifts decent numbers every day though.

The Evening Herald and 'Sindo' also do well.

They're still making coin.

sure do. part of it is because its an ff paper, times being fg, rest being brit papers or tabloids.... so no real choice for people still thinking on those lines (which a lot of older people do)

Zebra3

Do the fearless, honest journos in the Indo dig into DOB's criminal past much?

Nope. Corporate stooges.

TOMs WIFE

The article is in the paper today. A second attempted read has caused me another headache. How does this guy get paid for such a poor grasp of the English language?

JohnnyFlash

I like to buy the Sindo at the weekend. There’s a fair bit of reading in it, and they are masters at winding up humourless Republicans and far left socialist types who are so prevalent on social media platforms.

TerrorFirmer

The Indo isn't that bad an actual paper. People are mixing up the opinion pieces/entertainment/clickbait stuff that's very popular online with the physical paper (which has this sort of stuff towards the back).

There just isn't the money for real investigative journalism anymore for most outlets (if they even did much investigative journalism to begin with in better times?). Paper sales are falling hard, digital is the way forward - which does rely on mass appeal and clickbait to varying degrees.

Some papers still do decent investigative journalism, it's not like it's dead and gone. The Sunday Business Post is pretty decent from time to time, I'm sure there are others.

The link in the OP is just an opinion piece, so I don't pay it or others like it much heed usually.

s7ryf3925pivug

The herald and independent are rags.

TOMs WIFE

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

People are mixing up the opinion pieces/entertainment/clickbait stuff that's very popular online with the physical paper (which has this sort of stuff towards the back).

The link in the OP is just an opinion piece, so I don't pay it or others like it much heed usually.

Agree to a point. But this piece of crap article is spread across page 2 and 3.

JohnnyFlash

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I like to buy the Sindo at the weekend.

I can't say anybody would be surprised at that revelation.

TOMs WIFE

Marvin Loud Mattress wrote: »

The herald and independent are rags.

That sums it up.

TOMs WIFE

TOMs WIFE wrote: »

That sums it up.

It's Sunday Indo day!

Bobeagleburger

The Independent used to be a decent paper in the 90s.

Now it's just tabloid nonsense and covered by very limited journalists.

TOMs WIFE

RoboKlopp wrote: »

The Independent used to be a decent paper in the 90s.

Now it's just tabloid nonsense and covered by very limited journalists.

Limited in quality not quantity

Odhinn

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I like to buy the Sindo at the weekend. There’s a fair bit of reading in it, and they are masters at winding up humourless Republicans and far left socialist types who are so prevalent on social media platforms.

You realise that Barry Egan, Harris and Dud Edwards actually take themselves seriously?

mynamejeff

Odhinn wrote: »

You realise that Barry Egan, Harris and Dud Edwards actually take themselves seriously?

doesn't mean anyone else has to

TOMs WIFE

Odhinn wrote: »

You realise that Barry Egan, Harris and Dud Edwards actually take themselves seriously?

Egan. God my head hurts.

Odhinn

TOMs WIFE wrote: »

Egan. God my head hurts.

You might want a few scoops and to take a seat before clicking.......

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b&biw=1600&bih=887&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=Dgy6W-LVBszPrgT2h4XIBQ&q=barry+egan+independent&oq=barry+egan+independent&gs_l=img.3..0i24k1.6561.9565.0.10285.11.11.0.0.0.0.157.1422.0j11.11.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.5.687...0j0i67k1j0i7i30k1j0i7i5i30k1j0i8i30k1.0.3kvQhNo0WkE#imgdii=0fHFB1NJEyxVkM:&imgrc=S0x9k5RpbTzOiM:

stateofflux

There is a big difference between the online edition and print.

Online is awful dumbed down click bait filled and is not maintained properly

I think this is deliberate

Print edition has more in it and Sindo has more thorough quality 2 sided opinion sections and business analysis etc

TOMs WIFE

stateofflux wrote: »

There is a big difference between the online edition and print.

Online is awful dumbed down click bait filled and is not maintained properly

I think this is deliberate

Print edition has more in it and Sindo has more thorough quality 2 sided opinion sections and business analysis etc

The paper has the trash that is the subject of this thread

stateofflux

TOMs WIFE wrote: »

The paper has the trash that is the subject of this thread

the link was to an online article. paper edition not specified by OP.

The quality of journalism was

JohnnyFlash

I thought this was a very human and well written piece by the Sindo.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/i-felt-that-i-had-no-right-to-grieve-for-my-daughter-mother-of-tragic-woman-at-centre-of-garda-video-controversy-37392129.html

Touched on the nature of addiction, mental illness, the availability of drugs, and the devastation that psychosis inducing cannabis can have on people.

pauliebdub

The paper itself is not too bad, ok for a flick through and some of its columnists are ok as are it's sports section.

The website is atrocious though, seems to be a lot of hard luck stories with a go fund me account details at the end also a weird obsession with Kathryn Thomas and Amy Huberman.

JohnnyFlash

pauliebdub wrote: »

The paper itself is not too bad, ok for a flick through and some of its columnists are ok as are it's sports section.

The website is atrocious though, seems to be a lot of hard luck stories with a go fund me account details at the end also a weird obsession with Kathryn Thomas and Amy Huberman.

Pay peanuts, get monkeys. Very few people pay for a newspaper these days. So online websites have to try and gain clicks by publishing rubbish. I'd speculate that the quality of journalism graduate is the same as it ever was.

Damien360

pauliebdub wrote: »

The paper itself is not too bad, ok for a flick through and some of its columnists are ok as are it's sports section.

The website is atrocious though, seems to be a lot of hard luck stories with a go fund me account details at the end also a weird obsession with Kathryn Thomas and Amy Huberman.

For the guts of €3 for a daily paper written in the style of a rag it's atrocious. Content is tiny.

Sunday Indo is €3.20 for advertising and "celebrity" opinions and bar the headline page has little to no news.

We were daily buyers (honest) for years and had to stop due to quality. Online stuff is clickbait and not enticing ether my wife or myself to online full paper. If the current online free stuff is the gateway drug to purchasing the full online edition, it is failing miserably.

Birneybau

Am I the only one to notice Independent Newspapers obsession with the Garrihy family? (Aoinhinn, good looking wan, was in Fair City, and her sisters and occasionally mother).

Anyway, I think the best paper going is The Times Ireland Edition.

Some of the best writers in the country in my opinion (and a column by that twat David Quinn that I sometimes force myself to read at least some)

TOMs WIFE

Birneybau wrote: »

Am I the only one to notice Independent Newspapers obsession with the Garrihy family? (Aoinhinn, good looking wan, was in Fair City, and her sisters and occasionally mother).

Anyway, I think the best paper going is The Times Ireland Edition.

Some of the best writers in the country in my opinion (and a column by that twat David Quinn that I sometimes force myself to read at least some)

I actually like reading David Quinns stuff, at least another view and not all one sided.