Quality of Indo journalism

TOMs WIFE

Regardless of the topic, I got a headache trying to read this disjointed rambling excuse for journalism.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/ewan-mackenna-cristiano-ronaldo-case-should-be-a-loud-warning-and-a-sharp-turning-point-but-will-it-be-37386310.html

Your Face

I don't take that paper seriously so it doesn't affect me.

Some decent sports writers though.

daheff

in fairness...most people read free newspapers on the net now. So you get what you pay for.


Newspapers have no money to do proper investigative journalism anymore. its all clickbait headlines & dodgy advertised sites

kneemos

TOMs WIFE wrote: »

Regardless of the topic, I got a headache trying to read this disjointed rambling excuse for journalism.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/ewan-mackenna-cristiano-ronaldo-case-should-be-a-loud-warning-and-a-sharp-turning-point-but-will-it-be-37386310.html

Article written in the form of a mystery novel.

Cee-Jay-Cee

I tried to read that this morning but gave up after the first paragraph. I think they were trying to be non formal and intriguing but failed utterly to capture the readers attention and so I'm guessing no one at all has actually read it or made any sense of it.

Another Indo hack journalist trying to cut their teeth in the world of journalism and failing miserably but that's what we have become used to with the Indo in recent years. The Indo journalists (if you could call them that) that writes the intro's for their stories that appear on Facebook are worse again, I have a feeling they're 4th class primary school students that writing them as they are so poorly written, childish and sensationalist regardless of how mundane the story is.

ligerdub

McKenna is dreadful*, part of the modern journalist disposition i.e. holier than thou. He'll safely throw enough **** at people like Ronaldo and pretty much taint him (and by association any male athlete, or any man in general even) as a villain. All the while he'll remain just vague enough to make it within libel laws, and also portray himself as different, as the good guy. He's an arsehole.

What I'm taking from that is that Ronaldo is guilty, Kavanaugh is guilty.....and errrrrrr somehow President Trump is at fault. Bollox!

These Ronaldo allegations sound like the most bogus bits of garbage ever, red flags all over the shop.



*he did surprisingly write a reasonably courageous article on the Serena Williams meltdown

nim1bdeh38l2cw

Ewan is a very angry man on Twitter.

hurler32

Has become a rubbish paper .
Anti Church and Anti GAA articles seems to be their speciality .

jack presley

Everyone's a star in the eye of the Indo.

Whenever there's a fatal car crash or something, the heading is always "GAA Star killed in car accident" or something. Then you read the article and you see it was some bloke who played senior football for the some GAA club in a place you've never heard of.

And everything's always about the family. Whenever there's an electricity price rise or something that influences people's finances, it's always "families to be hit with....". What about the single people or the people with no kids? Will the price rises not affect them?

It descended into the basement long ago, Rosanna Davison and other instagram numpties fawned over.

jack presley

Deleted User wrote: »

It descended into the basement long ago, Rosanna Davison and other instagram numpties fawned over.

They do seem obsessed with Kathryn Thomas for some reason. Every time she farts they do a story on her.

B0jangles

jack presley wrote: »

They do seem obsessed with Kathryn Thomas for some reason. Every time she farts they do a story on her.

"Kathryn Thomas blasts critics with gutsy rebuttal"


?

valoren

B0jangles wrote: »

jack presley wrote: »

They do seem obsessed with Kathryn Thomas for some reason. Every time she farts they do a story on her.

"Kathryn Thomas blasts critics with gutsy rebuttal"


?

"Kathryn Thomas blasts critics with gusty rebuttal"

DEFTLEFTHAND

Poorly written article.

D1 standard, Leaving Certificate English Paper 1 (Higher Level).

DEFTLEFTHAND

daheff wrote: »

in fairness...most people read free newspapers on the net now. So you get what you pay for.


Newspapers have no money to do proper investigative journalism anymore. its all clickbait headlines & dodgy advertised sites

That Independent still shifts decent numbers every day though.

The Evening Herald and 'Sindo' also do well.

They're still making coin.

TOMs WIFE

Yes, junior cert standard would be higher.

Grayson

I remember a story that someone posted here years ago that was about a woman at a hen party, or on holidays or something. I think she was abroad. I just remember it was a completely non story that wasn't even entertaining. It had basic grammar mistakes and nothing made sense.

The Crowman

jack presley wrote: »

Everyone's a star in the eye of the Indo.

Whenever there's a fatal car crash or something, the heading is always "GAA Star killed in car accident" or something. Then you read the article and you see it was some bloke who played senior football for the some GAA club in a place you've never heard of.

And everything's always about the family. Whenever there's an electricity price rise or something that influences people's finances, it's always "families to be hit with....". What about the single people or the people with no kids? Will the price rises not affect them?

I think the Indo website is the only place I've seen "Snapchat Star" used in a non ironic sense.

The J Stands for Jay

TOMs WIFE wrote: »

Regardless of the topic, I got a headache trying to read this disjointed rambling excuse for journalism.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/ewan-mackenna-cristiano-ronaldo-case-should-be-a-loud-warning-and-a-sharp-turning-point-but-will-it-be-37386310.html

All those words, no semblance of a message to impart.

Hector Bellend

Its one very small step up from the sun.

Therefore I dont read it

biko

Sports should be watched, not read.

They fawn endlessly over Vague Williams and "Ayrelands princess" Amy Huberman like to no end.....

Edgware

The general standard of Irish journalism is poor ( That includes you Gemma with your conspiracy theories)
Look at how they give Michael D a free run. When he said If relected he is "open" to having the Aras accounts checked not one journalist said "Surely its not up to you to decide whether we can check them or not"

imme

INM is an advertising company.
The indo is a sideline and quality doesn't come into it.

It is generally poor.

TOMs WIFE

imme wrote: »

INM is an advertising company.
The indo is a sideline and quality doesn't come into it.

It is generally poor.

Perhaps. But it is surely not too much to expect that one can read an article and follow it reasonably easy. The article is a car crash.

Newspapers have no money to do proper investigative journalism anymore.

Yeah, right? So, what was the excuse of that ragbag of incredible world-class cúnts, and arch sycophants of their tax-dodging oligarch owner "Sir" Anthony O'Reilly, who call themselves "journalists" before the internet?

You know, when they were, as they remain, pissing upon and demonising the poor, the marginalised, nationalists in the Six Counties, and any section of Irish society that refused to kowtow to the awesome power which Anthony O'Reilly exerted to undermine Irish democracy over a period of 40 years? When they were, as they remain, pushing the whole low-taxes-for-the-rich-but-fúck-everybody-else free market agenda? When they were talking down Eircom shares as nauseam before O'Reilly bought them at a steal, and talked them up ad nauseam before he sold them at a huge profit? (a special hello to arch sycophant Shane Ross for that one) When they were everything that was crude, crass, classless, cultureless, anglocentric, vacuous, superficial and backstabbing about the Celtic Tiger?

This horseshíte about that rag, or indeed the bootboys for the conceited rag on the other side of the Liffey, that they were fearless public interest investigative journalists until the internet came is beyond contempt. The Independent Newspapers cúnts in the 1913 Lockout were cheering from their windows as the poor of Dublin were beaten black and blue by Dublin's British colonial policeforce carrying out the orders of their then owner William Martin Murphy.

Independent Newspapers is ethically a thoroughly objectionable outfit by any metric, be it in 1913, 1993 or 2018.

The Rape of Lucretia

Certainly not into the difficult stories like The Examiner, who have a report on how our Justice Minister welcomes child abuse.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/

Turnipman

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Certainly not into the difficult stories like The Examiner, who have a report on how our Justice Minister welcomes child abuse.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/

Actually, that's not even journalism, it's merely a rehash of a Press Release issued by Charlie's Department.

dreamers75

Ewan Mc kenna is a Dunphy wannabe/troll

Say ****e and wait for the hits.

You are doing his job for him right now.

Grayson

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Certainly not into the difficult stories like The Examiner, who have a report on how our Justice Minister welcomes child abuse.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/

Is this the story?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/justice-minister-welcomes-child-abuse-report-873951.html

The Justice Minister is welcoming Hotline.ie's Annual Report for 2017 which shows 524 leads it investigated constituted child sexual abuse under Irish law.
It reveals the number of reports of illegal content online increased by 6 per cent from the previous year.

Charlie Flanagan said while it was disturbing to see evidence of such crimes, he welcomes the fact such images have been rendered inaccessible.

He says this ongoing contribution to the fight against the scourge of child sexual abuse imagery online is very important and much appreciated.

I think saying he welcomes child abuse is really a stretch.

Grayson

Hector Bellend wrote: »

Its one very small step up from the sun.

Therefore I dont read it

I think you can judge the quality of a newspaper based on the quality of the crossword. The indo's is shyte.

Dr. Bre

Anything but independent

TOMs WIFE

McGaggs wrote: »

All those words, no semblance of a message to impart.

This sums up the article.

daheff

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

That Independent still shifts decent numbers every day though.

The Evening Herald and 'Sindo' also do well.

They're still making coin.

sure do. part of it is because its an ff paper, times being fg, rest being brit papers or tabloids.... so no real choice for people still thinking on those lines (which a lot of older people do)

Zebra3

Do the fearless, honest journos in the Indo dig into DOB's criminal past much?

Nope. Corporate stooges.

TOMs WIFE

The article is in the paper today. A second attempted read has caused me another headache. How does this guy get paid for such a poor grasp of the English language?

JohnnyFlash

I like to buy the Sindo at the weekend. There’s a fair bit of reading in it, and they are masters at winding up humourless Republicans and far left socialist types who are so prevalent on social media platforms.

TerrorFirmer

The Indo isn't that bad an actual paper. People are mixing up the opinion pieces/entertainment/clickbait stuff that's very popular online with the physical paper (which has this sort of stuff towards the back).

There just isn't the money for real investigative journalism anymore for most outlets (if they even did much investigative journalism to begin with in better times?). Paper sales are falling hard, digital is the way forward - which does rely on mass appeal and clickbait to varying degrees.

Some papers still do decent investigative journalism, it's not like it's dead and gone. The Sunday Business Post is pretty decent from time to time, I'm sure there are others.

The link in the OP is just an opinion piece, so I don't pay it or others like it much heed usually.

s7ryf3925pivug

The herald and independent are rags.

TOMs WIFE

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

People are mixing up the opinion pieces/entertainment/clickbait stuff that's very popular online with the physical paper (which has this sort of stuff towards the back).

The link in the OP is just an opinion piece, so I don't pay it or others like it much heed usually.

Agree to a point. But this piece of crap article is spread across page 2 and 3.

JohnnyFlash

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I like to buy the Sindo at the weekend.

I can't say anybody would be surprised at that revelation.

TOMs WIFE

Marvin Loud Mattress wrote: »

The herald and independent are rags.

That sums it up.

TOMs WIFE

TOMs WIFE wrote: »

That sums it up.

It's Sunday Indo day!

The Independent used to be a decent paper in the 90s.

Now it's just tabloid nonsense and covered by very limited journalists.

TOMs WIFE

RoboKlopp wrote: »

The Independent used to be a decent paper in the 90s.

Now it's just tabloid nonsense and covered by very limited journalists.

Limited in quality not quantity

Odhinn

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I like to buy the Sindo at the weekend. There’s a fair bit of reading in it, and they are masters at winding up humourless Republicans and far left socialist types who are so prevalent on social media platforms.

You realise that Barry Egan, Harris and Dud Edwards actually take themselves seriously?

mynamejeff

Odhinn wrote: »

You realise that Barry Egan, Harris and Dud Edwards actually take themselves seriously?

doesn't mean anyone else has to

TOMs WIFE

Odhinn wrote: »

You realise that Barry Egan, Harris and Dud Edwards actually take themselves seriously?

Egan. God my head hurts.

Odhinn

TOMs WIFE wrote: »

Egan. God my head hurts.

You might want a few scoops and to take a seat before clicking.......

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b&biw=1600&bih=887&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=Dgy6W-LVBszPrgT2h4XIBQ&q=barry+egan+independent&oq=barry+egan+independent&gs_l=img.3..0i24k1.6561.9565.0.10285.11.11.0.0.0.0.157.1422.0j11.11.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.5.687...0j0i67k1j0i7i30k1j0i7i5i30k1j0i8i30k1.0.3kvQhNo0WkE#imgdii=0fHFB1NJEyxVkM:&imgrc=S0x9k5RpbTzOiM:

stateofflux

There is a big difference between the online edition and print.

Online is awful dumbed down click bait filled and is not maintained properly

I think this is deliberate

Print edition has more in it and Sindo has more thorough quality 2 sided opinion sections and business analysis etc

TOMs WIFE

stateofflux wrote: »

There is a big difference between the online edition and print.

Online is awful dumbed down click bait filled and is not maintained properly

I think this is deliberate

Print edition has more in it and Sindo has more thorough quality 2 sided opinion sections and business analysis etc

The paper has the trash that is the subject of this thread