Large Itinerant community in close proximity to Rathcoole Village

troyzer

raah! wrote: »

Do you think travellers are not prone to criminality (statistically)? Have you ever had extended interactions with travellers with whom you do not have a personal relationship? Do you not believe the thousands of stories of crimes committed by travelers when the identification was certain?

Not denying at all that travellers do commit crimes disproportionately. I was just genuinely curious how he knew who it was.

tayto lover

Time for Slurry Tank Guy.

raah!

troyzer wrote: »

Here's another one:

2015: Normal Coke Zero
2016: Coke Zero reformulated
2017: Donald Trump becomes president.

IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!!!

There is no established relationship between coke or coke zero and donald trump being president. But between travellers and crime in an area, there certainly is. Between travellers and countryside breaking into a house, probably an even hgher correlation when compared to the rest of the population, Whether or not there are available studies on it, there have been enough reported cases on here to come to that conclusion.

bloodless_coup

The only thing worse than travellers is traveller apologists.

Lollipops23

troyzer wrote: »

How do you know they were travellers? I'm not saying they werne't, I'm just curious.

Because we pulled up to the house as they were leaving the drive- they said they were "asking directions" and I spotted one of them running through the trees at the bottom of the drive. When we described the car and the people to the guards later he confirmed they were known Travellers in the area.

tretorn

Traveller women put up with being beaten black and blue, its part of their culture, you wont find them in womens refugees.
They also have a child every year, no point in saying no to drunken unemployed, unemployable husband, he will beat you up and rape you anyway. Its the culture.
This is why travellers education is so poor. If you educate young girls you give them a choice, traveller men dont want to change and they want women they can dominate, eg bash into submission and wear down with childbirth, its the culture, doncha know.

Lollipops23

MFPM wrote: »

Indeed because it's only Travellers who burgle houses?

Obviously not, but very few Travellers tend to target the elderly in their own homes.

NIMAN

The stats don't lie.

facehugger99

The Two Minute Hate.

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raah!

troyzer wrote: »

Not denying at all that travellers do commit crimes disproportionately. I was just genuinely curious how he knew who it was.

Either he doesn't know or it's a hunch based on statistical liklieood of travellers to do such things. It doesn't really make a difference to the general theme of outcry against a current injustice that exists in the thread.


I don't want to see them all jailed or hung or anything like that. But let's not deny the truth. It's not acceptance if you have to pretend that they are something they are not in order to accept them. Theirs is a culture with many aspects completely at odds with the standard mores of the irish middle class. Fist fighting, running horses to their death etc. etc.


I don't mind if they want to punch each other, I'm not a fan of the horse killing; but at least my idea of accepting them isn't "oh sher they're just the same as your average middle class irish person". This isn't because you have any great compassion for them, it's because you've never interacted with them. If anything it is more evidence of the sort of bigotry and separation that leads you to only interact with your own kind.

MFPM

topper75 wrote: »

You can only hold people to account for something once it has been established that they are the only and solitary people who do such a thing?

If any other people do such crimes, then discussion of the first-mentioned perpetrators is off limits somehow?

I don't think so.
Moreover, when a group is granted a special status in a supposed republic, it behoves them to understand that their behaviour as a group will be highlighted on account of that and discussed by society at large.

You can only hold people to account for something once it has been established that they are the only and solitary people who do such a thing?

You seem to be missing the point. If a man rapes a woman it would be wrong to generalise against all men from specific examples, indeed it would be absurd to suggest so. So why generalise against Travellers based on the actions of some travellers. If two settled people carried out a crime against an older person there may be discussion about them but the discussion would focus on the particular perpetrators when it comes to travellers the individual are some what lost sight of and it becomes a free for all of Traveler hatred.

Moreover, when a group is granted a special status in a supposed republic, it behoves them to understand that their behavior as a group will be highlighted on account of that and discussed by society at large.

They were granted a status based on ethnicity why does this mean behaviour should be highlighted more? That's an absurd suggestion. Secondly are you suggesting that threads such as this didn't exist before their alleged 'special status, of course they did so it rather undermines your arguments, doesn't it?

PlaneSpeeking

facehugger99 wrote: »

The Two Minute Hate.

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Okay, two minutes to tell us why we should like criminal Travellers who beat women, abuse animals and give their children zero ambition or work ethic.

Everyone - go.

corks finest

Tried to establish same camp in glenbeigh Kerry years ago, told move no joy, locals blocked road in/out, slurry sprayed over one caravan and transport,locals armed with shotguns,guess what? They moved

corks finest

troyzer wrote: »

raah! wrote: »

Do you think travellers are not prone to criminality (statistically)? Have you ever had extended interactions with travellers with whom you do not have a personal relationship? Do you not believe the thousands of stories of crimes committed by travelers when the identification was certain?

Not denying at all that travellers do commit crimes disproportionately. I was just genuinely curious how he knew who it was.

FFS wake up snowflake

MFPM

doylefe wrote: »

The only thing worse than travellers is traveller apologists.

Thank you for that enlightened contribution to the debate - were you up all night composing such an erudite post?

Wibbs

MFPM wrote: »

Indeed because it's only Travellers who burgle houses?

Of course not, however hard statistics show that the Travelling community has a far higher rate of convictions for crimes than the general population*. That's convictions too. How many crimes go unsolved? If Travellers were removed from the stats, crimes against property, particularly in rural areas would go down appreciably. It is complete denial in the face of reason to suggest otherwise.





*and far higher rates of prison time, unemployment, spousal abuse with it.

Roger Hassenforder

MFPM wrote: »

Indeed because it's only disproportinally Travellers who burgle houses?

FYP there


Was watching The Thick of It last night, great quote : "im not quite sure what level of reality I'm supposed to be operating on"

MFPM

tretorn wrote: »

Traveller women put up with being beaten black and blue, its part of their culture, you wont find them in womens refugees.
They also have a child every year, no point in saying no to drunken unemployed, unemployable husband, he will beat you up and rape you anyway. Its the culture.
This is why travellers education is so poor. If you educate young girls you give them a choice, traveller men dont want to change and they want women they can dominate, eg bash into submission and wear down with childbirth, its the culture, doncha know.

Traveller women put up with being beaten black and blue, its part of their culture, you wont find them in womens refugees.

Your post reveals quite a lot of ignorance. Many women from varying backgrounds put up with being black and blue to suggest it's the preserve of Travellers is dishonest. If you visit women's refuges you will find Traveller women but never let facts get in the way of your nonsense.

37% of women accessing refuge identified themselves as Travellers,

https://www.womensaid.ie/about/policy/natintstats.html

They also have a child every year

They don't but you know that.

tretorn

Margaret Cash screeching down a mike outside Dail Eireann is the face of Irish Travellerism.
The iconic symbol of travellerism was nearby, the occupied double buggy.
She screeched about her entitlement to a home for her “ babbies”, there are seven in total and Ms Cash hasnt explained or been asked why she has seven children while living ntirely on handouts. She hasnt been asked either about future family planning and its quite likely she will have as many children again, she is only twenty seven.

MFPM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

FYP there


Was watching The Thick of It last night, great quote : "im not quite sure what level of reality I'm supposed to be operating on"

A reply will do, no need to interfere with my posts, ta.

Now back to reality and facts.....stats please, good lad?

Paulzx

Wibbs wrote: »

Of course not, however hard statistics show that the Travelling community has a far higher rate of convictions for crimes than the general population*. That's convictions too. How many crimes go unsolved? If Travellers were removed from the stats, crimes against property, particularly in rural areas would go down appreciably. It is complete denial in the face of reason to suggest otherwise.





*and far higher rates of prison time, unemployment, spousal abuse with it.

Travellers make up only 0.6% of the population yet they make up 15% of the male prison population and 22% of the female prison population.


That doesn't include convictions that don't result in a prison stay.

The Bishop Basher

corks finest wrote: »

Tried to establish same camp in glenbeigh Kerry years ago, told move no joy, locals blocked road in/out, slurry sprayed over one caravan and transport,locals armed with shotguns,guess what? They moved

Love it.. needs to be more of this from local communities..

MFPM

Wibbs wrote: »

Of course not, however hard statistics show that the Travelling community has a far higher rate of convictions for crimes than the general population*. That's convictions too. How many crimes go unsolved? If Travellers were removed from the stats, crimes against property, particularly in rural areas would go down appreciably. It is complete denial in the face of reason to suggest otherwise.





*and far higher rates of prison time, unemployment, spousal abuse with it.

Indeed and the stats will also show that there is a higher rate of convictions of people in Dublin 1 than those in Dublin 4 so what's your point?

MFPM

Paulzx wrote: »

Travellers make up only 0.6% of the population yet they make up 15% of the male prison population and 22% of the female prison population.


That doesn't include convictions that don't result in a prison stay.

And?

Captain Obvious

DougPeterson wrote: »

I don't know if this is the right place to post this, but if someone could shed some light. Has anyone noticed that there is a very large community of Itinerants living in a field at Keatings Park in Rathcoole. There are about 30 or 40 caravans hitched,bonfires scattered around the field, vans and old burnt out cars,rubbish scattered around the site.They seem to have arrived only a few weeks ago,for residents living in and around rathcoole and the surrounding areas,be vigilant.

Anyone else notice this?

They've been there for months and I haven't heard of them causing any issues. What's the point of this thread?

MFPM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

They've been there for months and I haven't heard of them causing any issues. What's the point of this thread?

The same point of every thread about Travellers - it allows the brave souls here a chance to air their hatred and bigotry for a few hours.

Lord Glentoran

DougPeterson wrote: »

I don't know if this is the right place to post this, but if someone could shed some light. Has anyone noticed that there is a very large community of Itinerants living in a field at Keatings Park in Rathcoole. There are about 30 or 40 caravans hitched,bonfires scattered around the field, vans and old burnt out cars,rubbish scattered around the site.They seem to have arrived only a few weeks ago,for residents living in and around rathcoole and the surrounding areas,be vigilant.

Anyone else notice this?

Excellent news. They should park their caravans in driveways and charge €1,000 to move them.

raah!

MFPM wrote: »

The same point of every thread about Travellers - it allows the brave souls here a chance to air their hatred and bigotry for a few hours.

If only they were man enough to fight them face to face eh?

Deebles McBeebles

MFPM wrote: »

And?

Seems like an incredible amount doesn't it?

If it goes much higher they'll need a Colin Kapernick type to take a knee before every fist fight and sulky race to draw attention to it.

rovertom

Paulzx wrote: »

Travellers make up only 0.6% of the population yet they make up 15% of the male prison population and 22% of the female prison population.


That doesn't include convictions that don't result in a prison stay.

That is an astonishing figure.
Assuming the justice system gives them fair play, it would appear a traveller is 30 times more likely to be a prisoner than a non traveller.
Seems about right when I think about it.