Alcohol Home Truths!?

Deebles McBeebles · 18-09-2018 9:01am

So many posters up at all hours of the morning. Are any of you Batman?

andekwarhola · 18-09-2018 9:06am

Alcohol consumption is falling here in comparison to other countries.

Meanwhile our elected representatives refuse to address realistic answers to abuse of alcohol while drafting legislation designed to prop up the pub trade.

If you have issues or a bad past with alcohol, you have my every sympathy but address it in your own life without lecturing others or cheerleading harebrained punitive legislation (that punishes everybody regardless of their relationship with alcohol) at every turn.

valoren · 18-09-2018 9:15am

Alcohol, the only drug you have to justify not taking.
Alcohol, the only drug in the world that if you don't take it you have a problem with it.

It's a socially accepted psychoactive drug. It's not a drink, it's a drug that is delivered via a liquid. If everyone is doing it then no one has a problem. It's like a crab mentality. Alcohol as a drug is a wolf in sheep's clothing but it generates enormous revenue in duties and so there is a vested interest at a private and public level for it's continual consumption which muddy's the water in addressing the alcohol problem.

If you go out on a night out and are seeing 'young' people getting **** faced then that certainly is not representative of all young people. There is a growing attitude to drinking less and we're gradually realizing that drinking what our bodies effectively see as a toxin is not, shock horror, actually good for you. The same vested interests will understandably fight against it. If people were to die, then they have the fall back of pointing to personal responsibilities yet for me a good first step would be to prohibit advertising of alcohol which normalizes a very addictive and very dangerous DRUG.

sbsquarepants · 18-09-2018 9:29am

valoren wrote: »

Alcohol, the only drug you have to justify not taking.
Alcohol, the only drug in the world that if you don't take it you have a problem with it.

You forgetting tea?

Tell most Irish auld dears you don't drink tea and they'd look at you like you said you want to be a rent boy.

Which is only right because tea is delicious, as is beer.

Irishcrx · 18-09-2018 9:39am

It's not about letting your kids drink or not drink , it's about teaching them about safely and responsibly using alcohol , look for the majority (Not All) they are going to go to college and they are going to want to experience it for themselves and go out with friends , meet girls / boys etc that's part of life and it's more how you teach them to manage it and warn them of the dangers...

I come from a family of bad alcoholics on my mothers side so myself and my brother seen what it does to people and knew we were genetically at risk of it when we grew up , I drank a fair bit in my twenties ...more than I should have and I done a lot of stupid stuff , when I felt myself at risk of going down the road I knew I was I completely curtailed it and focused on my career and later family...I now drink lightly every 2 weeks or so...my brother drinks about once a year.

I've seen a lot of friends now in their 30's who grew up with parents from both perspective and you know what? The one's who had the parents who never 'let' them drink or go out and banned everything etc now have the kids who drink and lash out the most , the one's who thought them about it and allowed them to have a few drinks in the house or the shed etc their kids never really went into heavy drinking they just took it up normally and drank normally, some didn't fancy it at all.

ZX7R · 18-09-2018 10:00am

Alcohol is bread into nearly everyone in Ireland,if you have a cold take a hot whiskey if you're having a Christian most go to the pub for a party alcohol!
Christmas party's alcohol!
Birthday parties alcohol!
Even kids parties
Weddings...
Every bloody event in Ireland end's up with alcohol been consumed it's seen as a normal part of life.
It won't change till people change their acceptance of it in every part of social life.
There is a place for alcohol don't get me wrong people just need to wake up and see the danger's.
As a smoker I have seen a huge drop in people smoking the education has work with this.
Hopefully I will kick the habit

weldoninhio · 18-09-2018 10:23am

Sam Quentin wrote: »

No.
I'm in the THICK of it on the streets.
I'm not hating. My hate has disapated and turned to sympathy for these 'kids' and their future.

Ah, street sweeper??

Mr. teddywinkles · 18-09-2018 10:26am

bigpink wrote: »

Thought alcohol consumption is hugely down?
Pubs dead and people mad in fitness

Closed one off licence near me and opened a gym. Also I'm nearly 40 and I think the going out culture has changed a lot when I was going out. A lot of sloppy drunks when I started out(myself included at times back in the day

). Hardly see that now where I am anyways. Think id be more worried bout drugs to be honest

Graces7 · 18-09-2018 10:56am

OP. I thought of you and this thread when I read this today.

https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2018/0917/994337-louisburgh/

A local story here..

WHY did the family not take the car keys?

Two young lives lost and families devastated because these kids cannot drink or refrain from drinking responsibly and insist on driving when visibly unfit - and no one will actively prevent them.

Deebles McBeebles · 18-09-2018 11:52am

Sam Quentin wrote: »

No.
I'm in the THICK of it on the streets.
I'm not hating. My hate has disapated and turned to sympathy for these 'kids' and their future.

Eminem lyric?

VinLieger · 18-09-2018 1:28pm

Sam Quentin wrote: »

You do realise by LETTING your kids drink eg: whiskeys, vodkas, gins(all found in shots)etc etc that one day they will wake up looking for a drink before breakfast....

LOL

Plopsu · 18-09-2018 2:25pm

Sam Quentin wrote: »

whiskeys, vodkas, gins(all found in shots)

Shots have whiskeys, vodkas and gins in them?? I had no idea. No wonder I'm drunk all the time.

Doctor Jimbob · 18-09-2018 2:38pm

I don't understand the thought process that leads people to think drinking spirits is somehow so much worse than drinking pints. It's in the OP, and I've heard plenty of people talk about drinking 8 pints or a bottle or two of wine like it was nothing yet express horror at the thought of someone drinking spirits. Alcohol is alcohol. There's no fecking difference.

the_syco · 18-09-2018 8:44pm

Graces7 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2018/0917/994337-louisburgh/

A local story here..

They hit the wall several times, and drove into the river twice before the river swept them away. Well, good. Thankfully they died but no-one else did. Too many times you hear of some drunk wiping out an innocent family.

Del2005 · 18-09-2018 11:20pm

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I don't understand the thought process that leads people to think drinking spirits is somehow so much worse than drinking pints. It's in the OP, and I've heard plenty of people talk about drinking 8 pints or a bottle or two of wine like it was nothing yet express horror at the thought of someone drinking spirits. Alcohol is alcohol. There's no fecking difference.

A shot or pint is no harm to anyone. Drinking lots of pints will make you p1ss a lot and get a bit sick at worse. Drinking lots of spirits can give you alcohol poisoning.
Long term shots or pints has the same consequences, short term shots are way more dangerous than pints. That's the difference

Westernyelp · 19-09-2018 6:24am

the_syco wrote:

They hit the wall several times, and drove into the river twice before the river swept them away. Well, good. Thankfully they died but no-one else did. Too many times you hear of some drunk wiping out an innocent family.

Shameful post.

valoren · 19-09-2018 9:39am

No to illegal drugs! Yes to legal ones! :rolleyes:

https://vfipubs.ie/news/latest-news/donegal-publicans-support-garda-drugs-campaign/

"The message this campaign sends out is clear – there is no welcome for drug taking in our pubs" :pac:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 19-09-2018 2:34pm

valoren wrote: »

No to illegal drugs! Yes to legal ones! :rolleyes:

https://vfipubs.ie/news/latest-news/donegal-publicans-support-garda-drugs-campaign/

"The message this campaign sends out is clear – there is no welcome for drug taking in our pubs" :pac:

According to VFI Donegal Chairman Martin Gibbons .... "The message this campaign sends out is clear – there is no welcome for drug taking in our pubs.”

Oh deary deary me...

OldMrBrennan83 · 19-09-2018 2:37pm

valoren wrote: »

No to illegal drugs! Yes to legal ones! :rolleyes:

https://vfipubs.ie/news/latest-news/donegal-publicans-support-garda-drugs-campaign/

"The message this campaign sends out is clear – there is no welcome for drug taking in our pubs" :pac:

Well yes, exactly. What's your point? That's like rolling your eyes at being allowed to legally ride someone but not being allowed to illegally ride them.

Legal things allowed, illegal not. I don't see what the big revelation about that is.

VinLieger · 19-09-2018 3:03pm

Patww79 wrote: »

Well yes, exactly. What's your point? That's like rolling your eyes at being allowed to legally ride someone but not being allowed to illegally ride them.

Legal things allowed, illegal not. I don't see what the big revelation about that is.

Because coming from vintners its a ridiculous staement.

"We like the good legal, mind and mood altering drugs that cause serious longterm illness which people can get horribly addicted to causing harm to themselves, their families and others...... that we also happen to sell, but those illegal bad drugs with the exact same side effects, no we don't like them, they should stay illegal"

kunst nugget · 19-09-2018 3:10pm

ZX7R wrote: »

if you're having a Christian most go to the pub

Are you talking, like, in the biblical sense?

valoren · 19-09-2018 3:12pm

Patww79 wrote: »

Well yes, exactly. What's your point? That's like rolling your eyes at being allowed to legally ride someone but not being allowed to illegally ride them.

Legal things allowed, illegal not. I don't see what the big revelation about that is.

There is a double think involved. While it's a good thing to discourage illegality it's just interesting that the campaign looks to leverage one drug's legality to frame a message that vilifies other drugs and their (current) illegal status. Two sides of the same coin.

OldMrBrennan83 · 19-09-2018 3:21pm

Drinking is legal once you're over 18.

ZX7R · 19-09-2018 3:41pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

Are you talking, like, in the biblical sense?

Yes ,
Please excuse my spelling

Greyfox · 19-09-2018 4:45pm

valoren wrote: »

There is a double think involved. While it's a good thing to discourage illegality it's just interesting that the campaign looks to leverage one drug's legality to frame a message that vilifies other drugs and their (current) illegal status. Two sides of the same coin.

No it still comes back to illegal drugs are evil and legal drugs are fine, it really is that simple.

19-09-2018 9:24pm

Ouch!! wrote: »

If young wans weren't binge drinking then most of us would never get laid.

You anti-drink crusaders never think of that, do you?

The art of conversation must belong to a bygone era.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 19-09-2018 9:31pm

She can't ride a conversation

dr.fuzzenstein · 22-09-2018 7:10am

valoren wrote: »

No to illegal drugs! Yes to legal ones! :rolleyes:

https://vfipubs.ie/news/latest-news/donegal-publicans-support-garda-drugs-campaign/

"The message this campaign sends out is clear – there is no welcome for drug taking in our pubs" :pac:

Continued alcohol advertising at sports events, MUP to fight against supermarkets selling "cheap" booze and supporting the Gardai in their gallant fight against "evil" marijuana.
Must be nice and cozy in the pockets of the vintners federation. And probably pays for a few cars, holidays and houses for TDs.
Shambags.

Mrs OBumble · 22-09-2018 7:51am

Graces7 wrote: »

OP. I thought of you and this thread when I read this today.

https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2018/0917/994337-louisburgh/

A local story here..

WHY did the family not take the car keys?

Two young lives lost and families devastated because these kids cannot drink or refrain from drinking responsibly and insist on driving when visibly unfit - and no one will actively prevent them.

They were in their 20s - not kids. Evolution in action.

The Rape of Lucretia · 22-09-2018 8:25am

Del2005 wrote: »

A shot or pint is no harm to anyone.

It most certainly is harmful. The only sensible choice is to not drink any alcohol if want to be health. Have a coffee or a water if you go to the pub. But better off not going at all and staying away from the whole alcohol environment.
This idea that one drink is OK is disgraceful. There is no safe level of alcohol.

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/23/no-healthy-level-of-alcohol-consumption-says-major-study

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