Alcohol Home Truths!?

Sam Quentin

Are you gonna slag me off now or are you gonna listen,. Are you gonna make excuses for your cool parenting, OR ARE YOU GONNA TAKE MY POST SERIOUS!?!?


Anyway I feel you are listening now(reading my post)
Just watching Late Late repeat and we have a few 'Z' listers having a chat with Ryan. Alcohol consumption in ireland just popped up and the girl in the middle does not drink and is constantly making excuses to friends, aquantences even family etc for why she doesn't drink, , even as far as girl friends asking her if she's pregnant!
I work weekends and I see the total absolute shocking over consumption of alcohol among young people (I really couldn't give a foook about anyone over 30 who is still at it)these 'kids' are drinking for eg:-Vodka from the minute they enter a pub to the minute they leave a club constantly the whole night.. I mean it's absolutely SHOCKING.. Back in the day if we had 2 LTRs of cider in between pints we were considered mad lol etc.... Stephanie (just got her name)even mentioned liver disease facts about young people in Ireland are at a level that only was visible(not to many years ago) in long term drinkers hitting their 60s70s...
You do realise by LETTING your kids drink eg: whiskeys, vodkas, gins(all found in shots)etc etc that one day they will wake up looking for a drink before breakfast....
So don't think it's cool to let your kids drink,.. stop them as much as you can.

Realt Dearg Sec

I think you need to lay off the drink.

Sam Quentin

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

I think you need to lay off the drink.

Great input.

Realt Dearg Sec

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

I think you need to lay off the drink.

Great input.

Sorry.

It's SHOCKING, everyone is a TERRIBLE parent and should all be ashamed of themselves for killing their KIDS. This country is a waste land of degenerate alcoholics, shots gave GIN AND VODKA IN THEM IN THE NIGHTCLUBS!!!!!

Is that more the tone you were going for?

Sam Quentin

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Sorry.

It's SHOCKING, everyone is a TERRIBLE parent and should all be ashamed of themselves for killing their KIDS. This country is a waste land of degenerate alcoholics, shots gave GIN AND VODKA IN THEM IN THE NIGHTCLUBS!!!!!

Is that more the tone you were going for?

I'm way beyond your in-denial attitude towards young peoples drinking habits,. I only respond to factual honest truthful comments.. comments that make sense!?
With all due respect I hope you never have to deal with alcoholism in your family...
Ps: I myself am basically t total.

Sam Quentin

Sam Quentin wrote:

I'm way beyond your in-denial attitude towards young peoples drinking habits,. I only respond to factual honest truthful comments.. comments that make sense!? With all due respect I hope you never have to deal with alcoholism in your family... Ps: I myself am basically t total.

Do you work in a bar?

Sam Quentin

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do you work in a bar?

No.
I'm in the THICK of it on the streets.
I'm not hating. My hate has disapated and turned to sympathy for these 'kids' and their future.

Cookie_Monster

Rather than having kids and having to stop them from drinking, I'm not having kids and drinking instead
That'll teach them.

the_syco

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Back in the day if we had 2 LTRs of cider in between pints we were considered mad lol etc....

Just how old are you?

Sam Quentin wrote: »

You do realise by LETTING your kids drink eg: whiskeys, vodkas, gins(all found in shots)etc etc that one day they will wake up looking for a drink before breakfast....

Actually, if you look at our european neighbours, they let their kids drink before they hit 18. So when they hit 18, they don't "have to" drink as much as they can, because they've already done that; with their parents. It's now longer some massive rebel thing. The majority of people I know whose parents allowed them to have a drink before they were 18 didn't go mad when they hit 18, and even those who did, they knew their limit.

Graces7

the_syco wrote: »

Just how old are you?



Actually, if you look at our european neighbours, they let their kids drink before they hit 18. So when they hit 18, they don't "have to" drink as much as they can, because they've already done that; with their parents. It's now longer some massive rebel thing. The majority of people I know whose parents allowed them to have a drink before they were 18 didn't go mad when they hit 18, and even those who did, they knew their limit.

You are distorting the continental system. A case of ggs.. "Grass is greener syndrome."

Young folk are allowed to have eg a glass of wine with dinner. There is no comparison with the drinking of spirits.

And teen alcoholism and adult alcoholism are a great problem there also . Just better parenting and control over the children.

Just ireland does it louder and better..

Sam Quentin

Sam Quentin wrote: »

No.
I'm in the THICK of it on the streets.
I'm not hating. My hate has disapated and turned to sympathy for these 'kids' and their future.

What do you do?

Soundbar

Soundbar wrote: »

People drink significantly less today than in previous years, alcohol consumption per person peaked in 2001 and dropped significantly since then.

only cos we got started on the coke-aine

Westernyelp

OP. I would revisit my posting style if I was you. Your point is been lost in the agressive tone and random capitalisation. Drinking too much is undoubtedly a problem for young people in Ireland. Much more education is needed for the population in general.

Wanderer78

Westernyelp wrote:

OP. I would revisit my posting style if I was you. Your point is been lost in the agressive tone and random capitalisation. Drinking too much is undoubtedly a problem for young people in Ireland. Much more education is needed for the population in general.

We ve been doing this educational thing for a long time, is it really working? I think I might be more concerned about the other chemicals young people are throwing into themselves, along with the alcohol

dr.fuzzenstein

Westernyelp wrote: »

OP. I would revisit my posting style if I was you. Your point is been lost in the agressive tone and random capitalisation. Drinking too much is undoubtedly a problem for young people in Ireland. Much more education is needed for the population in general.

Measured debate, critical analysis and well thought out, intelligent solutions are NOT how these things are done in Ireland.
Everyone knows the only way to combat this problem is to ignore all stats, engage in hysterical shouting and have such groundbreaking programs like "closing every second checkout to alcohol". I mean wooooow, that really showed them, didn't it? I'm sure having to go to another till must at least have halved alcohol consumption! Wow, I'm still in shock over what a brilliant move that was! :rolleyes:
And any other measure by government just has to be a cynical move to protect their buddies and cronies in the pub trade and the VFI.
If people drink less now, it is because they themselves took responsibility, because the government is useless, inept, corrupt and infested with cronies and morons, so nothing of any use will come from them.

Wanderer78

dr.fuzzenstein wrote:

Measured debate, critical analysis and well thought out, intelligent solutions are NOT how these things are done in Ireland. Everyone knows the only way to combat this problem is to ignore all stats, engage in hysterical shouting and have such groundbreaking programs like "closing every second checkout to alcohol". I mean wooooow, that really showed them, didn't it? I'm sure having to go to another till must at least have halved alcohol consumption! Wow, I'm still in shock over what a brilliant move that was! And any other measure by government just has to be a cynical move to protect your buddies and cronies in the pub trade and the VFI. If people drink less now, it is because they themselves took responsibility, because the government is useless, inept, corrupt and infested with cronies and morons, so nothing of any use will come from them.

Even though you make some good points, this one is a lot more complicated, the power of the lobbyists can never be underestimated, and phony baloney economic models and systems

gctest50

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Are you gonna slag me off now or are you gonna listen,. Are you gonna make excuses for your cool parenting, OR ARE YOU GONNA TAKE MY POST SERIOUS!?!?


You do realise by LETTING your kids drink eg: whiskeys, vodkas, gins(all found in shots)etc etc that one day they will wake up looking for a drink before breakfast....

Any proper proof of this or do you hope it will just be accepted because CAPS LOCK


since

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I only respond to factual honest truthful comments...

bigpink

Thought alcohol consumption is hugely down?
Pubs dead and people mad in fitness

mikeecho

Anyone under 30 is abusing drugs, usually synthetic.
Over 30's.. generally alcohol, maybe weed/coke.

The younger generation don't see the attraction of alcohol.. it's too expensive, a cheap pill will get them similar effects for a lot cheaper.

Plus the drugs are easier to get.

OldMrBrennan83

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Are you gonna slag me off now or are you gonna listen,. Are you gonna make excuses for your cool parenting, OR ARE YOU GONNA TAKE MY POST SERIOUS!?!?


Anyway I feel you are listening now(reading my post)
Just watching Late Late repeat and we have a few 'Z' listers having a chat with Ryan. Alcohol consumption in ireland just popped up and the girl in the middle does not drink and is constantly making excuses to friends, aquantences even family etc for why she doesn't drink, , even as far as girl friends asking her if she's pregnant!
I work weekends and I see the total absolute shocking over consumption of alcohol among young people (I really couldn't give a foook about anyone over 30 who is still at it)these 'kids' are drinking for eg:-Vodka from the minute they enter a pub to the minute they leave a club constantly the whole night.. I mean it's absolutely SHOCKING.. Back in the day if we had 2 LTRs of cider in between pints we were considered mad lol etc.... Stephanie (just got her name)even mentioned liver disease facts about young people in Ireland are at a level that only was visible(not to many years ago) in long term drinkers hitting their 60s70s...
You do realise by LETTING your kids drink eg: whiskeys, vodkas, gins(all found in shots)etc etc that one day they will wake up looking for a drink before breakfast....
So don't think it's cool to let your kids drink,.. stop them as much as you can.

You represent everything that's wrong with the world now.

Fr_Dougal

Someone spiked on of my 10 vodkas and 5 tequilas a couple of weeks ago.

Definitely spiked.

mikeecho

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Someone spiked on of my 10 vodkas and 5 tequilas a couple of weeks ago.

Definitely spiked.

I was in a bar last weekend, and the bsatard bartender spiked my whiskey with ICE.

Baxtard.... I wasn't able to stand up afterwards,

_Brian

Definitely binge drinking among girls has increased, even among young lads the concentration of alcohol consumed has increased.
The result will be liver disease for many.

mikeecho

_Brian wrote: »

Definitely binge drinking among girls has increased, even among young lads the concentration of alcohol consumed has increased.
The result will be liver disease for many.

I think it's just more visible now.

Kids (14 to 17) just don't give siht ., they know their rights, and like all kids, they don't realise the consequences, yet they believe they are untouchable.

#Snowflake_Generation

Bob Harris

the_syco wrote: »

Just how old are you?



Actually, if you look at our european neighbours, they let their kids drink before they hit 18. So when they hit 18, they don't "have to" drink as much as they can, because they've already done that; with their parents. It's now longer some massive rebel thing. The majority of people I know whose parents allowed them to have a drink before they were 18 didn't go mad when they hit 18, and even those who did, they knew their limit.

That's a bit of a myth.

KungPao

Raise the price, that’ll be the silver bullet!

I wonder if any consumer of Linden Village is not a raging alco. The down and outs love it but I have never seen a regular joe drink it.

dulux99

If you don't work in a bar then how are you monitoring peoples drinking so closely?

Dtp1979

Ah Jaysus I thought this was a thread about havin a few cans at home

Del2005

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Are you gonna slag me off now or are you gonna listen,. Are you gonna make excuses for your cool parenting, OR ARE YOU GONNA TAKE MY POST SERIOUS!?!?


Anyway I feel you are listening now(reading my post)
Just watching Late Late repeat and we have a few 'Z' listers having a chat with Ryan. Alcohol consumption in ireland just popped up and the girl in the middle does not drink and is constantly making excuses to friends, aquantences even family etc for why she doesn't drink, , even as far as girl friends asking her if she's pregnant!
I work weekends and I see the total absolute shocking over consumption of alcohol among young people (I really couldn't give a foook about anyone over 30 who is still at it)these 'kids' are drinking for eg:-Vodka from the minute they enter a pub to the minute they leave a club constantly the whole night.. I mean it's absolutely SHOCKING.. Back in the day if we had 2 LTRs of cider in between pints we were considered mad lol etc.... Stephanie (just got her name)even mentioned liver disease facts about young people in Ireland are at a level that only was visible(not to many years ago) in long term drinkers hitting their 60s70s...
You do realise by LETTING your kids drink eg: whiskeys, vodkas, gins(all found in shots)etc etc that one day they will wake up looking for a drink before breakfast....
So don't think it's cool to let your kids drink,.. stop them as much as you can.

Or else buy your children beer or cider so that they aren't going out buying the most amount of alcohol for the cheapest price.

I was watching a programme about the frat houses in the US and how the clamp down on underage drinking had increased the problem with underage drinking. Back before the clampdown they used to have keg parties and for most people they get sick if they drink too much beer. Now because of the clampdown they are drinking spirits and are having the problem you highlighted.

As has been shown every time prohibition is tried it doesn't work when people want to get their hands on mind altering substances and creates bigger problems with the criminal networks formed to supply the product

Sam Quentin

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Are you gonna slag me off now or are you gonna listen.

It is curious to me that you feel like the two are mutually exclusive. The material to "slag" you - which I suspect or fear is just your word for any level of robust disagreement with your position - comes very much from listening to you and your over simplification of the complex issue.

One issue that comes into play when you are Nannying at people about how they should live the good life - is that you may be better off demonstrating that you are in a position to claim to be doing so. That if only we were more like you - we would some how reap the benefit.

However you appear - on a reading of your post - to be sitting around watching re-runs of the Late Late Show with your free time in life while making screechy proclamations in posts at 3 or 4am in the morning.

If that is the representation on offer for how one spends their free time when being "T total" as you call it - then I fear you are more likely to be sending people the message that they would be much better off getting legless drunk than listen to you or be like you or take advice from you on the matter.

Sam Quentin wrote: »

You do realise by LETTING your kids drink eg: whiskeys, vodkas, gins(all found in shots)etc etc that one day they will wake up looking for a drink before breakfast.... So don't think it's cool to let your kids drink,.. stop them as much as you can.

Prohibition did not work at the level of societies - so I am baffled as to why you think it is likely to be useful at the level of parenting. I see no utility at all in recommending totalitarian parental approaches to alcohol. They seem to me likely to do nothing and perhaps even more likely to compound the issue.

Rather I would recommend a two part approach to it as a parent.

The first being the complete opposite of your recommendation in that I think it better than parents not only "let" their children drink alcohol but are in fact the first people to introduce it to them - consume it with them - and be the first people with whom the child is actively drunk. So that by the time children reach the point of consuming alcohol with friends - it has been normalised to them to the point it is not some holy grail to be attained and some right of passage into maturity or badge of honour at a social level - and they already know their own limits and responses to the drug.

The second is to take approaches to combat a genuine problem that you mention in your opening post but do not actually discuss. Which is that people who choose not to drink alcohol to excess - or at all even - are made to feel like they have to explain themselves or make excuses or even justify themselves as if they are committing some active wrong. As if the only reason some woman might choose not to drink is that she is pregnant - because nothing else makes sense. And this is something as parents we can also move to normalise and demonstrate to our children. We can enter social drinking situations with them and drink at them sometimes and refrain from it other times. The more of us as parents who do that then A) the more of our children will grow up not questioning why someone might not drink on any given occasion or at all and the more other adults will also get that message too so that it is not some weird event that requires explanation or justification.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Are you gonna slag me off now or are you gonna listen,. Are you gonna make excuses for your cool parenting, OR ARE YOU GONNA TAKE MY POST SERIOUS!?!?


Anyway I feel you are listening now(reading my post)
Just watching Late Late repeat and we have a few 'Z' listers having a chat with Ryan. Alcohol consumption in ireland just popped up and the girl in the middle does not drink and is constantly making excuses to friends, aquantences even family etc for why she doesn't drink, , even as far as girl friends asking her if she's pregnant!
I work weekends and I see the total absolute shocking over consumption of alcohol among young people (I really couldn't give a foook about anyone over 30 who is still at it)these 'kids' are drinking for eg:-Vodka from the minute they enter a pub to the minute they leave a club constantly the whole night.. I mean it's absolutely SHOCKING.. Back in the day if we had 2 LTRs of cider in between pints we were considered mad lol etc.... Stephanie (just got her name)even mentioned liver disease facts about young people in Ireland are at a level that only was visible(not to many years ago) in long term drinkers hitting their 60s70s...
You do realise by LETTING your kids drink eg: whiskeys, vodkas, gins(all found in shots)etc etc that one day they will wake up looking for a drink before breakfast....
So don't think it's cool to let your kids drink,.. stop them as much as you can.

Timestamp 2.39am, Tuesday morning, ok.....

Irish people don't drink substantially more or less than other nations. Apart from the Finns.

Deebles McBeebles

So many posters up at all hours of the morning. Are any of you Batman?

andekwarhola

Alcohol consumption is falling here in comparison to other countries.

Meanwhile our elected representatives refuse to address realistic answers to abuse of alcohol while drafting legislation designed to prop up the pub trade.

If you have issues or a bad past with alcohol, you have my every sympathy but address it in your own life without lecturing others or cheerleading harebrained punitive legislation (that punishes everybody regardless of their relationship with alcohol) at every turn.

valoren

Alcohol, the only drug you have to justify not taking.
Alcohol, the only drug in the world that if you don't take it you have a problem with it.

It's a socially accepted psychoactive drug. It's not a drink, it's a drug that is delivered via a liquid. If everyone is doing it then no one has a problem. It's like a crab mentality. Alcohol as a drug is a wolf in sheep's clothing but it generates enormous revenue in duties and so there is a vested interest at a private and public level for it's continual consumption which muddy's the water in addressing the alcohol problem.

If you go out on a night out and are seeing 'young' people getting **** faced then that certainly is not representative of all young people. There is a growing attitude to drinking less and we're gradually realizing that drinking what our bodies effectively see as a toxin is not, shock horror, actually good for you. The same vested interests will understandably fight against it. If people were to die, then they have the fall back of pointing to personal responsibilities yet for me a good first step would be to prohibit advertising of alcohol which normalizes a very addictive and very dangerous DRUG.

sbsquarepants

valoren wrote: »

Alcohol, the only drug you have to justify not taking.
Alcohol, the only drug in the world that if you don't take it you have a problem with it.

You forgetting tea?

Tell most Irish auld dears you don't drink tea and they'd look at you like you said you want to be a rent boy.

Which is only right because tea is delicious, as is beer.

Irishcrx

It's not about letting your kids drink or not drink , it's about teaching them about safely and responsibly using alcohol , look for the majority (Not All) they are going to go to college and they are going to want to experience it for themselves and go out with friends , meet girls / boys etc that's part of life and it's more how you teach them to manage it and warn them of the dangers...

I come from a family of bad alcoholics on my mothers side so myself and my brother seen what it does to people and knew we were genetically at risk of it when we grew up , I drank a fair bit in my twenties ...more than I should have and I done a lot of stupid stuff , when I felt myself at risk of going down the road I knew I was I completely curtailed it and focused on my career and later family...I now drink lightly every 2 weeks or so...my brother drinks about once a year.

I've seen a lot of friends now in their 30's who grew up with parents from both perspective and you know what? The one's who had the parents who never 'let' them drink or go out and banned everything etc now have the kids who drink and lash out the most , the one's who thought them about it and allowed them to have a few drinks in the house or the shed etc their kids never really went into heavy drinking they just took it up normally and drank normally, some didn't fancy it at all.

ZX7R

Alcohol is bread into nearly everyone in Ireland,if you have a cold take a hot whiskey if you're having a Christian most go to the pub for a party alcohol!
Christmas party's alcohol!
Birthday parties alcohol!
Even kids parties
Weddings...
Every bloody event in Ireland end's up with alcohol been consumed it's seen as a normal part of life.
It won't change till people change their acceptance of it in every part of social life.
There is a place for alcohol don't get me wrong people just need to wake up and see the danger's.
As a smoker I have seen a huge drop in people smoking the education has work with this.
Hopefully I will kick the habit

weldoninhio

Sam Quentin wrote: »

No.
I'm in the THICK of it on the streets.
I'm not hating. My hate has disapated and turned to sympathy for these 'kids' and their future.

Ah, street sweeper??

Mr. teddywinkles

bigpink wrote: »

Thought alcohol consumption is hugely down?
Pubs dead and people mad in fitness

Closed one off licence near me and opened a gym. Also I'm nearly 40 and I think the going out culture has changed a lot when I was going out. A lot of sloppy drunks when I started out(myself included at times back in the day ). Hardly see that now where I am anyways. Think id be more worried bout drugs to be honest

Graces7

OP. I thought of you and this thread when I read this today.

https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2018/0917/994337-louisburgh/

A local story here..

WHY did the family not take the car keys?

Two young lives lost and families devastated because these kids cannot drink or refrain from drinking responsibly and insist on driving when visibly unfit - and no one will actively prevent them.

Deebles McBeebles

Sam Quentin wrote: »

No.
I'm in the THICK of it on the streets.
I'm not hating. My hate has disapated and turned to sympathy for these 'kids' and their future.

Eminem lyric?

VinLieger

Sam Quentin wrote: »

You do realise by LETTING your kids drink eg: whiskeys, vodkas, gins(all found in shots)etc etc that one day they will wake up looking for a drink before breakfast....

LOL

Plopsu

Sam Quentin wrote: »

whiskeys, vodkas, gins(all found in shots)

Shots have whiskeys, vodkas and gins in them?? I had no idea. No wonder I'm drunk all the time.

the_syco

Graces7 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2018/0917/994337-louisburgh/

A local story here..

They hit the wall several times, and drove into the river twice before the river swept them away. Well, good. Thankfully they died but no-one else did. Too many times you hear of some drunk wiping out an innocent family.

Del2005

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I don't understand the thought process that leads people to think drinking spirits is somehow so much worse than drinking pints. It's in the OP, and I've heard plenty of people talk about drinking 8 pints or a bottle or two of wine like it was nothing yet express horror at the thought of someone drinking spirits. Alcohol is alcohol. There's no fecking difference.

A shot or pint is no harm to anyone. Drinking lots of pints will make you p1ss a lot and get a bit sick at worse. Drinking lots of spirits can give you alcohol poisoning.
Long term shots or pints has the same consequences, short term shots are way more dangerous than pints. That's the difference

Westernyelp

the_syco wrote:

They hit the wall several times, and drove into the river twice before the river swept them away. Well, good. Thankfully they died but no-one else did. Too many times you hear of some drunk wiping out an innocent family.

Shameful post.

valoren

No to illegal drugs! Yes to legal ones! :rolleyes:

https://vfipubs.ie/news/latest-news/donegal-publicans-support-garda-drugs-campaign/

"The message this campaign sends out is clear – there is no welcome for drug taking in our pubs" :pac:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

valoren wrote: »

No to illegal drugs! Yes to legal ones! :rolleyes:

https://vfipubs.ie/news/latest-news/donegal-publicans-support-garda-drugs-campaign/

"The message this campaign sends out is clear – there is no welcome for drug taking in our pubs" :pac:

According to VFI Donegal Chairman Martin Gibbons .... "The message this campaign sends out is clear – there is no welcome for drug taking in our pubs.”

Oh deary deary me...

OldMrBrennan83

valoren wrote: »

No to illegal drugs! Yes to legal ones! :rolleyes:

https://vfipubs.ie/news/latest-news/donegal-publicans-support-garda-drugs-campaign/

"The message this campaign sends out is clear – there is no welcome for drug taking in our pubs" :pac:

Well yes, exactly. What's your point? That's like rolling your eyes at being allowed to legally ride someone but not being allowed to illegally ride them.

Legal things allowed, illegal not. I don't see what the big revelation about that is.

VinLieger

Patww79 wrote: »

Well yes, exactly. What's your point? That's like rolling your eyes at being allowed to legally ride someone but not being allowed to illegally ride them.

Legal things allowed, illegal not. I don't see what the big revelation about that is.

Because coming from vintners its a ridiculous staement.



"We like the good legal, mind and mood altering drugs that cause serious longterm illness which people can get horribly addicted to causing harm to themselves, their families and others...... that we also happen to sell, but those illegal bad drugs with the exact same side effects, no we don't like them, they should stay illegal"

kunst nugget

ZX7R wrote: »

if you're having a Christian most go to the pub

Are you talking, like, in the biblical sense?