Diesel bans on the way?

TheBoyConor · 07-09-2018 12:11pm

I'd love to know how this would be enforced. Are there going to be exhaust pipe police out on the beat?

josip · 07-09-2018 12:29pm

sunnysoutheast wrote: »

They have already started banning cars in French cities dependent on the emissions.

You have to get a windscreen sticker (which only costs about a fiver) although I think I was the only Irish car I saw with one this summer.

We had ours too sunny.
But we never went into any city centres by car so we never had to display it.

grogi · 07-09-2018 12:37pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

edit:
This I have to look into further. It seems it has changed recently and now a petrol would have to be Euro 4 to get a green Plakette, but it is a bit unlcear to me if an older car that was previously issued the green Plakette would still be allowed into the city.

Me thinks it was always like that. In 2007 my Euro2 petrol was only yellow...

07-09-2018 1:26pm

TheBoyConor wrote: »

I'd love to know how this would be enforced. Are there going to be exhaust pipe police out on the beat?

Traffic wardens etc could do it

MayoSalmon · 07-09-2018 3:35pm

trik wrote:

I think that every incoming Minister of Finance must swear an oath "Tax everything that moves".

Of course why wouldn't they. They need money to spend as government in of itself produces nothing. It can only tax and spend or just spend and put the debt onto its citizens. The Irish seem completely fine with their wages being taken hand over fist in the hope the government will provide said services with their money. History tells us that government do a piss poor job in that regard.

sunnysoutheast · 07-09-2018 5:56pm

CJhaughey wrote: »

The French pay no heed to the Crit-air plan as far as I can see, very very few vehicles in France have the disc and I did 2.5k there this year.

We were in the Loire and a few French cars had it. By no means all.

There's actually more restricted zones than I thought there was having just looked! Not sure this will go the way of the breathalyser fiasco!

CJhaughey · 07-09-2018 9:15pm

sunnysoutheast wrote: »

We were in the Loire and a few French cars had it. By no means all.

There's actually more restricted zones than I thought there was having just looked! Not sure this will go the way of the breathalyser fiasco!

I went through at least 5 Crit air zones, including Strasbourg city centre, I had the sticker but didn't fix it to the windscreen and I saw no one checking them at any point.

Sabre Man · 07-09-2018 10:19pm

sunnysoutheast wrote: »

Not sure this will go the way of the breathalyser fiasco!

What's the breathalyser fiasco?

sunnysoutheast · 08-09-2018 10:08am

Sabre Man wrote: »

What's the breathalyser fiasco?

Do you not remember a few years ago the law changed in France so that you needed a breathalyzer and a spare in the car? I've still got a couple but they are long out of date now.

I think it's now in a weird limbo where enforcement of the law has been postponed indefinitely due to problems with supply. I think someone in govt had links to a supplier or something.

Proposed fine was only €11!

https://www.drive-france.com/faqs/france-breathalyzer-law/

Also, I stuck my crit-air sticker in the wrong place, d'oh!

Sabre Man · 08-09-2018 10:16am

sunnysoutheast wrote: »

Do you not remember a few years ago the law changed in France so that you needed a breathalyzer and a spare in the car? I've still got a couple but they are long out of date now.

I think it's now in a weird limbo where enforcement of the law has been postponed indefinitely due to problems with supply. I think someone in govt had links to a supplier or something.

Proposed fine was only €11!

https://www.drive-france.com/faqs/france-breathalyzer-law/

I heard about the law but not what happened afterwards. Thanks for the update.

KevinCavan · 08-09-2018 10:25am

Has anybody here bought a brand new diesel? Are they worried about it falling in value, due to Diesel engines becoming uncool with tree huggers?

vectra · 08-09-2018 10:34am

KevinCavan wrote: »

Has anybody here bought a brand new diesel? Are they worried about it falling in value, due to Diesel engines becoming uncool with tree huggers?

I bought one last year.
I will buy another next year,
Can you see Paddy down the road suddenly becoming a tree hugger?

_Brian · 08-09-2018 10:42am

I expect to see diesels on the road as mainstream cars for another 10 years probably more.

The focus should be to get people who don’t need a diesel out of them, most were tricked into buying them by cheap tax and talk of cheap economic motoring but it doesn’t work for low mileage drivers.

Outside major urban areas there is still a great need for diesel vehicles, not every vehicle but a great number.

A measure that tackles diesel and indeed combustion engines within urban areas should be the immediate focus as alternatives are available.

In time when technology advances diesels in rural areas will become less attractive.

Zubeneschamali · 08-09-2018 11:46am

KevinCavan wrote: »

Has anybody here bought a brand new diesel? Are they worried about it falling in value, due to Diesel engines becoming uncool with tree huggers?

Yes, a 172 Octavia VRs.

In 10 years time, it'll be worth nothing because I'll put 400,000 km on it, so I don't care what the resale hit is from green regs.

Hopefully there will be real electric cars on sale in 10 years time, and I won't have to buy another.

dr.fuzzenstein · 13-09-2018 10:35am

What will be interesting is what will happen to the booming SUV market. All those giant senseless boxes were diesel.
Either all these will have the 1 liter, 3 cylinder, 17 turbo engine that puts out 250 hp which will definitely have no drawbacks whatsoever, or they will have to go US style with a 4 liter V8 and that is not going to happen.
So maybe all cars in the future will have these miserable 3 cylinder engines?

13-09-2018 10:43am

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

What will be interesting is what will happen to the booming SUV market. All those giant senseless boxes were diesel.
Either all these will have the 1 liter, 3 cylinder, 17 turbo engine that puts out 250 hp which will definitely have no drawbacks whatsoever, or they will have to go US style with a 4 liter V8 and that is not going to happen.
So maybe all cars in the future will have these miserable 3 cylinder engines?

Plug in hybrid tech is improving at a decent rate.

Mitsubishi PHEV Outlander aren't 1 liter, 3 cylinder, 17 turbo engine or US style with a 4 liter V8 iirc

There really isn't much of a problem for the next 10/20 years.
Even at €2/litre and 30 mpg 10,000 miles can be done for €3000, that's €60/week

Loads and loads of Euro 6 approved vehicles shall be pottering about for decades for those of us not wanting to buy a new whatever is in vogue.

Shefwedfan · 13-09-2018 10:50am

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

What will be interesting is what will happen to the booming SUV market. All those giant senseless boxes were diesel.
Either all these will have the 1 liter, 3 cylinder, 17 turbo engine that puts out 250 hp which will definitely have no drawbacks whatsoever, or they will have to go US style with a 4 liter V8 and that is not going to happen.
So maybe all cars in the future will have these miserable 3 cylinder engines?

The Crossover market is booming. The SUV market is still the same. So you have

Kia Niro PHEV(currently available)
Kia Niro BEV(coming at end of year)
Hyundai Kona(order in next month)
Nissan Qashqai Hybrid(scheduled)
Nissan Qashqai BEV(out next year)
VW Crozz(2020)
Ford SMAX Hybrid(2019)
Toyota Rav4 Hybrid New model(2019)
Toyota C-HR Hybrid(available now)
Lexus Crossover, dont know models but available now

They are just a few....the market will be full of Crossover hybrids or BEV come 2020

dr.fuzzenstein · 13-09-2018 10:56am

Thanks. Is there a link to a glossary somehwere? I don't know what a tracker mortgage BEV is.

edit:
Got it. Bayrischer Eissport Verband.

(ok, I know now it's a battery electric vehicle)

Shefwedfan · 13-09-2018 11:08am

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Thanks. Is there a link to a glossary somehwere? I don't know what a tracker mortgage BEV is.

edit:
Got it. Bayrischer Eissport Verband. (ok, I know now it's a battery electric vehicle)

Battery Electric Vehicle......

I just hate it when people call them EV :P

Henry Ford III · 13-09-2018 12:07pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Battery Electric Vehicle......

I just hate it when people call them EV :P

Noted

p.s. Maybe your strong and oft expressed opposition to diesel cars should be refocused elsewhere? https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/104582/exclusive-uk-refrigerated-truck-emissions-equal-to-18-million-cars

Mc Love · 13-09-2018 12:14pm

trik wrote: »

I think that every incoming Minister of Finance must swear an oath "Tax everything that moves".

Should I be worried as a cyclist?

Shefwedfan · 13-09-2018 12:24pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Noted

p.s. Maybe your strong and oft expressed opposition to diesel cars should be refocused elsewhere? https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/104582/exclusive-uk-refrigerated-truck-emissions-equal-to-18-million-cars

I have expressed opposition to all cars, petrol/diesel/hybrid/electric

My preference is not to move everyone from diesel to electric, but to move from car to public transport

Zubeneschamali · 13-09-2018 12:43pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

My preference is not to move everyone from diesel to electric, but to move from car to public transport

You'll have to pry my keys from my toasty-warm fingers.

Sabre Man · 13-09-2018 12:51pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The Crossover market is booming. The SUV market is still the same. So you have

Kia Niro PHEV(currently available)
Kia Niro BEV(coming at end of year)
Hyundai Kona(order in next month)
Nissan Qashqai Hybrid(scheduled)
Nissan Qashqai BEV(out next year)
VW Crozz(2020)
Ford SMAX Hybrid(2019)
Toyota Rav4 Hybrid New model(2019)
Toyota C-HR Hybrid(available now)
Lexus Crossover, dont know models but available now

Also
Tesla Model X
Jaguar I-PACE
Mercedes EQC (2019)
Audi e-tron quattro (will be unveiled Monday 17 September)

Shefwedfan · 13-09-2018 12:53pm

Sabre Man wrote: »

Also
Tesla Model X
Jaguar I-PACE
Mercedes EQC (2019)
Audi e-tron quattro (will be unveiled Monday 17 September)

I was looking at the lower price bracket :-)

Henry Ford III · 13-09-2018 12:53pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I have expressed opposition to all cars, petrol/diesel/hybrid/electric

My preference is not to move everyone from diesel to electric, but to move from car to public transport

You said lots of stuff, including - I'm not concerned outside of Dublin

which means your opinion is limited and unbalanced.

Shefwedfan · 13-09-2018 12:57pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

You said lots of stuff, including - I'm not concerned outside of Dublin which means your opinion is limited and unbalanced.

Pointless comment of the day award goes to......

Two awards in one day.....congratulations

Henry Ford III · 13-09-2018 1:19pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Pointless comment of the day award goes to......

Two awards in one day.....congratulations

There you go again. Instant condescension at something you simply don't agree with. Thankfully your awards are without relevance or value.

My point is entirely valid though.

Sabre Man · 13-09-2018 1:40pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I was looking at the lower price bracket :-)

I wouldn't consider Lexus to be in the lower price bracket.

vectra · 13-09-2018 1:43pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

What will be interesting is what will happen to the booming SUV market. All those giant senseless boxes were diesel.
Either all these will have the 1 liter, 3 cylinder, 17 turbo engine that puts out 250 hp which will definitely have no drawbacks whatsoever, or they will have to go US style with a 4 liter V8 and that is not going to happen.
So maybe all cars in the future will have these miserable 3 cylinder engines?

Cupra Ateca on the way - 300bhp Cupra engine with DSG.

Talks of a Kuga RS in the pipeline as well.

Diesel bans on the way?

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