Thoughts on this gs 450h

Zurbaran

Thinking of going for the following if the insurance isn’t too mental.

http://www.ocallaghanmotors.com/used-cars/toyota-plus-ireland/a0Z0X00000Wi0aD?Lexus/GS450H/Co.%20Cork

It would be a straight sale so wonder what you think I should pay? Also after doing a bit of reading, in the uk the can buy an extended warranty, can something like that be done here?

Am I mad thinking I could get 32mpg out of it when not enjoying the acceleration?

Atlantic Dawn

I priced these in the UK and found after VRT price was generally better here. If it was me I'd rather buy a far cheaper one 4 or 5 years older with higher tax which is essentially the same car.

colm_mcm

Can you live with the tiny boot?

Zurbaran

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I priced these in the UK and found after VRT price was generally better here. If it was me I'd rather buy a far cheaper one 4 or 5 years older with higher tax which is essentially the same car.

I don’t think I’d be able to get a years manufacture warranty on an older one, also I like the updated looks and more importantly updated media with Bluetooth and USB port.

Zurbaran

colm_mcm wrote: »

Can you live with the tiny boot?

i can for now but who knows what the future holds..

Mpg could be a problem if I moved jobs and had to drive 120km every day to Dublin and back but other than that I think it suits the driving I currently do.

TomOnBoard

Motor tax @ €750?

Zurbaran

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Motor tax @ €750?

Correct.

Does anybody know what executive spec is? Online I only see se and se-l? I’m assuming it is se cause there is no mention of the mark Levinson sound system.

TomOnBoard

With a full 12mo warranty, assuming no exclusions, its not outrageously priced if its all kosher- no prangs and FLSH. Bid 10.8k for cash and see if they'll bite.

Twenty Grand

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I priced these in the UK and found after VRT price was generally better here. If it was me I'd rather buy a far cheaper one 4 or 5 years older with higher tax which is essentially the same car.

I found the same. There's a limited market here for large engine petrols.

The pre-08 GS450H's are peanuts here, because of the 1.8k tax bill.
I think there was a facelift in 2007 though, mainly on the trim and instrumentation.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/lexus-gs-450h-hybrid-immaculate-full-service-hi/19370739

Here's one 3 years older, half the price and with slightly less miles.
If you buy the 2007 for 6k, after 5 years you'll be 15k in, after tax.
If you buy the 2010 for 12k, after 5 years you'll be 15.7k in, after tax.

So even with huge tax, it's cheaper to run the 2007, to a point.

bazz26

You can spot the facelift model easily enough, the side indicators were moved to the door mirrors and the rear light cluster is slightly different.

TomOnBoard

Twenty Grand wrote: »

I found the same. There's a limited market here for large engine petrols.

The pre-08 GS450H's are peanuts here, because of the 1.8k tax bill.
I think there was a facelift in 2007 though, mainly on the trim and instrumentation.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/lexus-gs-450h-hybrid-immaculate-full-service-hi/19370739

Here's one 3 years older, half the price and with slightly less miles.
If you buy the 2007 for 6k, after 5 years you'll be 15k in, after tax.
If you buy the 2010 for 12k, after 5 years you'll be 15.7k in, after tax.

So even with huge tax, it's cheaper to run the 2007, to a point.

However, with the 07, you wont have the benefit of a 12 month manufacturer warranty. The advert does say dealer warranty included, but Id prefer the official Lexus one.

Zurbaran

Twenty Grand wrote: »

I found the same. There's a limited market here for large engine petrols.

The pre-08 GS450H's are peanuts here, because of the 1.8k tax bill.
I think there was a facelift in 2007 though, mainly on the trim and instrumentation.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/lexus-gs-450h-hybrid-immaculate-full-service-hi/19370739

Here's one 3 years older, half the price and with slightly less miles.
If you buy the 2007 for 6k, after 5 years you'll be 15k in, after tax.
If you buy the 2010 for 12k, after 5 years you'll be 15.7k in, after tax.

So even with huge tax, it's cheaper to run the 2007, to a point.

If you were to sell both after those 5 years the 2010 would be worth a lot more so it would be better value. I’m not accounting for how much interest I would be paying on the newer one but you catch my drift.

Twenty Grand

TomOnBoard wrote: »

However, with the 07, you wont have the benefit of a 12 month manufacturer warranty. The advert does say dealer warranty included, but Id prefer the official Lexus one.

True, you get a 3 month warranty, not as good as the 12 month.

Zurbaran wrote: »

If you were to sell both after those 5 years the 2010 would be worth a lot more so it would be better value. I’m not accounting for how much interest I would be paying on the newer one but you catch my drift.

I suppose it depends on a few things. The 07 GS is full depreciated. Maybe you'll lose 2 or 3k in 5 years.
The 10 GS will probably lose 6 or 7k realistically. It'll be a 13 year old big engine petrol. I'd well believe you'll struggle to sell either car in 5 years.

Padraig Mor

I mused over that car recently but decided not to in the end as the console is missing a couple of buttons due to lack of sat nav (I had a GS previously with nav so it'd annoy me!). That car is for sale for six weeks at the very least, if not considerably more. I'm also reasonably sure it was cheaper - by about a grand - when I looked at the ad previously.

Practicality wise, I'd say you'd do well to get an average above 30mpg. Wouldn't really have any reliability concerns.

In terms of spec, Executive is the base but is well equipped compared to most. There is only one higher trim which adds nav, Mark Levinson audio (wouldn't be pushed - the 'basic' 10 speaker set up is fantastic) and bigger wheels, and that's about it IIRC (I reckon I have a contemporary brochure if you want me to check anything). Sport also had optional radar cruise control but this car doesn't have it. Wood wheel and gear selector optional on all models.

TomOnBoard

Padraig Mor wrote: »

I mused over that car recently but decided not to in the end as the console is missing a couple of buttons due to lack of sat nav (I had a GS previously with nav so it'd annoy me!). That car is for sale for six weeks at the very least, if not considerably more. I'm also reasonably sure it was cheaper - by about a grand - when I looked at the ad previously.

Practicality wise, I'd say you'd do well to get an average above 30mpg. Wouldn't really have any reliability concerns.

In terms of spec, Executive is the base but is well equipped compared to most. There is only one higher trim which adds nav, Mark Levinson audio (wouldn't be pushed - the 'basic' 10 speaker set up is fantastic) and bigger wheels, and that's about it IIRC (I reckon I have a contemporary brochure if you want me to check anything). Sport also had optional radar cruise control but this car doesn't have it. Wood wheel and gear selector optional on all models.

Its strange they'd push the price up by a grand... Unless they're padding it to offer a discount?? Did it have the 12mo full warranty etc. previously?

Personally, id have no issue with a lack of Satnav on a 10year old, as POIs etc would be so out of date (unless theyve been updated). I have built in Sat Nav but find myself using google maps on my phone more and more as I get the traffic/congestion updates.

Padraig Mor

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Its strange they'd push the price up by a grand... Unless they're padding it to offer a discount?? Did it have the 12mo full warranty etc. previously?

Personally, id have no issue with a lack of Satnav on a 10year old, as POIs etc would be so out of date (unless theyve been updated). I have built in Sat Nav but find myself using google maps on my phone more and more as I get the traffic/congestion updates.

Just checked and while I don't have the price listed, I do have the finance cost at that time, which is equivalent to the car being ~€11k. Definite padding. Pretty sure it had the warranty too - I wouldn't have been considering it otherwise. The nav works off DVD AFAIK (my old one did anyway, unless they changed to hard drive or something for the newer model?) so can be updated. I'd be asking for a new one to be thrown in with the sale if so...

TomOnBoard

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Just checked and while I don't have the price listed, I do have the finance cost at that time, which is equivalent to the car being ~€11k. Definite padding. Pretty sure it had the warranty too - I wouldn't have been considering it otherwise. The nav works off DVD AFAIK (my old one did anyway, unless they changed to hard drive or something for the newer model?) so can be updated. I'd be asking for a new one to be thrown in with the sale if so...

Well, if that's the case (i.e. price has been increased even though there's clearly no demand) I'd be raising that with the salesman as part of my 10k (not 10.8k) offer.

Truckermal

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Well, if that's the case (i.e. price has been increased even though there's clearly no demand) I'd be raising that with the salesman as part of my 10k (not 10.8k) offer.

I looked at it too as I have Padraig's GS over 3 years now! The seats look very worn for such low mileage and the leather is badly cracked! My own seats with 240K are in way better shape!

TBH it's way overpriced for what it is and they have it over 3 months! The salesman wouldn't entertain me even though he seen my 05 outside! Nice car but not worth the money I'd buy a LS 460 or 600H instead.

Zurbaran

From 2010 on the sat nav is hdd.

Truckermal wrote: »

I looked at it too as I have Padraig's GS over 3 years now! The seats look very worn for such low mileage and the leather is badly cracked! My own seats with 240K are in way better shape!

TBH it's way overpriced for what it is and they have it over 3 months! The salesman wouldn't entertain me even though he seen my 05 outside! Nice car but not worth the money I'd buy a LS 460 or 600H instead.

Couldn’t tell that the leather was bad from the pics so good to hear from someone who seen it in the flesh. When you say they wouldn’t entertain you was it on price?


They quoted me 11 over the phone for a straight sale so was assuming I’d get more off.

Zurbaran

He also said he’d have to come back to me as someone was test driving it on Saturday so he’s not sure if it’s available still. Could be spoofing, who knows.

bazz26

Zurbaran wrote: »

He also said he’d have to come back to me as someone was test driving it on Saturday so he’s not sure if it’s available still. Could be spoofing, who knows.

Lol, he's reading you the salesman's guidebook there.

Zurbaran

bazz26 wrote: »

Lol, he's reading you the salesman's guidebook there.

Probably but I was expecting a call back. Maybe he’s waiting till tomorrow.


Interested to see what Truckermal has to say about them not entertaining him cause I don’t fancy making the trip to cork if they are difficult to deal with.

bazz26

I wouldn't hold my breath on a call back, it's not in most car dealer's nature. End of the month might be a better time to hit them with an offer.

kyote00

I have run a 08 gs450h for last year. It was UK import with FSH and 12 month on hybrid system .... mine has been trouble free except tyres !

As others mentioned, that car is missing SATNAV and seat cooling.

Its also worth checking :

- the brand of tyres - as anything other than premium rubber will have you all over the road when you put the boot down.
- front and rear hubs as they are integrated with regeneration
- Check headlight beam steering/leveling works.

Truckermal

Zurbaran wrote: »

Probably but I was expecting a call back. Maybe he’s waiting till tomorrow.


Interested to see what Truckermal has to say about them not entertaining him cause I don’t fancy making the trip to cork if they are difficult to deal with.

He copped my car was just taxed for the year so after spending 1500 quid on tax he probably decided I was wasting his time! That car is there a good while now BTW. I really think you can do better elsewhere like buying in the UK.

Del2005

Padraig Mor wrote: »

The nav works off DVD AFAIK (my old one did anyway, unless they changed to hard drive or something for the newer model?) so can be updated. I'd be asking for a new one to be thrown in with the sale if so...

I've a 08 and when I got it, 3 years ago, I got the new DVD for the GPS and it was missing some of the new roads that had been open a year or more. But the biggest issue is the lack of traffic info in this country so the sat nav is dumb, I just use my phone for any trips as it has live traffic from Google. The only thing the DVD did that was useful was enable setting destination on the move, which isn't very safe.

Zurbaran

Truckermal wrote: »

He copped my car was just taxed for the year so after spending 1500 quid on tax he probably decided I was wasting his time! That car is there a good while now BTW. I really think you can do better elsewhere like buying in the UK.

They seem to be very expensive over there compare to other cars. Saw a nice se-l with 80000 on the clock but they are looking for 9750 so by the time it's landed it would be a fair bit more expensive.

Zurbaran

https://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/Lexus/GS450H-3.5-V6-450H-SE-AUTO/201807298916043

This one seems a bit pricey? Also you wouldnt get the years warranty.

Would anybody source one of these? I assume Lexus wouldn't as it's too old?

If anyone has any other suggestions fire away.

Padraig Mor

Zurbaran wrote: »

https://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/Lexus/GS450H-3.5-V6-450H-SE-AUTO/201807298916043

This one seems a bit pricey? Also you wouldnt get the years warranty.

Would anybody source one of these? I assume Lexus wouldn't as it's too old?

If anyone has any other suggestions fire away.

I'd suggest you google the contact name in the ad, and the previous name of the dealership - Barclay Motors.

TomOnBoard

Truckermal wrote: »

He copped my car was just taxed for the year so after spending 1500 quid on tax he probably decided I was wasting his time! That car is there a good while now BTW. I really think you can do better elsewhere like buying in the UK.

Unless there is something specific wrong with this car in Cork, I wouldn't be put off about viewing it if it's still available. For me, if I wanted the make & model, and the colour /level of trim on offer, it's down to the price. The fact that this one gas a 12 mo manufacturer warranty counts huge IMHO.

Zurbaran

Padraig Mor wrote: »

I'd suggest you google the contact name in the ad, and the previous name of the dealership - Barclay Motors.

Jesus they sound about as bad as it gets.

Truckermal

Zurbaran wrote: »

Jesus they sound about as bad as it gets.

It's also got Landsail tyres on the rear...:eek::eek:

Weirdest thing this morning but a lad I know is also intrested in the car so the salesman wasn't lying! I think it's worth a look as they are very scarce plus the newer model from 2012 are north of 20K.

Zurbaran

Truckermal wrote: »

It's also got Landsail tyres on the rear...:eek::eek:

Weirdest thing this morning but a lad I know is also intrested in the car so the salesman wasn't lying! I think it's worth a look as they are very scarce plus the newer model from 2012 are north of 20K.

Yep. I rang back today and he said the couple viewing were buying on the condition a double buggy could fit in the back which they were collecting to try out.


I hope it doesn't fit, haha

Truckermal

Zurbaran wrote: »

Yep. I rang back today and he said the couple viewing were buying on the condition a double buggy could fit in the back which they were collecting to try out.


I hope it doesn't fit, haha

I don't think it will either!

Del2005

Zurbaran wrote: »

Yep. I rang back today and he said the couple viewing were buying on the condition a double buggy could fit in the back which they were collecting to try out.


I hope it doesn't fit, haha

It won't. I'd struggle to get a normal buggy in. About the only benefit of the tiny boot.

Zurbaran

Am I dreaming thinking I could get someone to source one? They really do seem to be scarce on the ground even in the uk.

TomOnBoard

Zurbaran wrote: »

Yep. I rang back today and he said the couple viewing were buying on the condition a double buggy could fit in the back which they were collecting to try out.


I hope it doesn't fit, haha

Bad form on the salesman's part not to ring you back when he said he would. If I was him, I'd always follow up...

TomOnBoard

Zurbaran wrote: »

Am I dreaming thinking I could get someone to source one? They really do seem to be scarce on the ground even in the uk.

Theres a guy in UK midlands who'll source any car from auctions for a fee. I havent used him, but he might be worth a chat... Look at flipping cars on Youtube...

Zurbaran

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Bad form on the salesman's part not to ring you back when he said he would. If I was him, I'd always follow up...

Just rang me back there to confirm it’s sold. Forgot to ask him if the buggy fit in it:D

He said he’d look into sourcing one but I doubt anything will happen.

Will check that guy out on YouTube.

bazz26

Importing might be worth looking at, yes you might not save much money but your choices will be alot better:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201805136462865?year-from=2010&model=GS%20450H&postcode=m111eq&advertising-location=at_cars&sort=price-asc&radius=1500&exclude-writeoff-categories=on&make=LEXUS&year-to=2011&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&page=1

VRT is around 2500.

Zurbaran

bazz26 wrote: »

Importing might be worth looking at, yes you might not save much money but your choices will be alot better:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201805136462865?year-from=2010&model=GS%20450H&postcode=m111eq&advertising-location=at_cars&sort=price-asc&radius=1500&exclude-writeoff-categories=on&make=LEXUS&year-to=2011&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&page=1

VRT is around 2500.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808119395809?sort=price-asc&year-from=2010&radius=1500&model=GS%20450H&year-to=2011&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&postcode=bt486eb&advertising-location=at_cars&make=LEXUS&page=1

This one really caught my eye with they grey wheels which IMO makes it look a lot more modern.


It’s something to consider it’s just that I’d feel a little stupid since most cars are cheaper in the uk whereas these are the same or a bit more expensive.

For the lads that keep an eye on the market, how often do decent ones pop up from 2010/11?

Zurbaran

After reading the last 10 or so pages of the importing thread I’m thinking of going for the one I just sent on. I like the red one bazz posted especially for the sunroof but I’d be willing to throw a few quid extra for the mileage, colour and nicer wheels.

Vrt is €2,447. So I’d be looking to get this sorted for €13,300 with travel included. Do you reckon this is doable?

What should I be looking for when I call the dealer and if I make the trip over? Are there do’s and don’ts?

Little bit worried that it’s a smaller dealer and not sure how genuine the reviews are on autotrader.

TomOnBoard

Zurbaran wrote: »

After reading the last 10 or so pages of the importing thread I’m thinking of going for the one I just sent on. I like the red one buzz posted especially for the sunroof but I’d be willing to throw a few quid extra for the mileage, colour and nicer wheels.

Vrt is €2,447. So I’d be looking to get this sorted for €13,300 with travel included. Do you reckon this is doable?

What should I be looking for when I call the dealer and if I make the trip over? Are there do’s and don’ts?

Little bit worried that it’s a smaller dealer and not sure how genuine the reviews are on autotrader.

My advice would be to pay for a professional mechanic/assessor/engineer (with knowledge/experience of hybrids) to check the car thorougly first. You can buy a comprehensive history check yourself. It'll all cost a few bob, but given the lack of aftersales (2 months' in-house' which is probably an insurance policy that is highly unlikely to be tenable in Ireland, as well as the type of operation that selling it), I think it would be wise.

The travel etc should be no problem if you proceed- Fly to Heathrow and get a tube/train to a local train station.

bazz26

Zurbaran wrote: »

After reading the last 10 or so pages of the importing thread I’m thinking of going for the one I just sent on. I like the red one bazz posted especially for the sunroof but I’d be willing to throw a few quid extra for the mileage, colour and nicer wheels.

Vrt is €2,447. So I’d be looking to get this sorted for €13,300 with travel included. Do you reckon this is doable?

What should I be looking for when I call the dealer and if I make the trip over? Are there do’s and don’ts?

Little bit worried that it’s a smaller dealer and not sure how genuine the reviews are on autotrader.

First ask about the car's service history and ring the garages that did it.

Run a detailed history check to see if it was previously written off or clocked.

Normally I'd advise getting someone like Dekra or the AA to do a comprehensive vehicle inspection but I don't know if they can do that on the hybrid system. Failing that maybe see about having a local Lexus dealer inspect the hybrid drivetrain for any fault.

The dealer may want a deposit to take the advert down pending a vehicle inspection. I'd expect this back if the vehicle inspector advises against buying the car but with small time dealers that might be a hard job.

If the inspection goes well then agree a price with the dealer(they won't be too flexible on the price compared to here). Then arrange to transfer your money before heading over. Use the likes of transfermate, currency fair, etc and remember to allow a day or two for the money to move from your bank threw currency fair to the dealer's account. Once the dealer confirms they have the money then fly over, collect and get the ferry home. Make sure to get the full V5C registration document from the dealer too as you need this to VRT the car here.

One thing of note though is that many UK dealers have a habit of hitting Irish buyers with an "admin fee" when you get there. This can be £100 to £150 on top of the price of the car. They pull this stroke thinking that your heading for a ferry and will just pay it rather than go home empty handed. I'd stand your ground and tell them you have another car lined up to see in the area and you'll buy that one instead. Majority will wilt and won't let you leave for the sake of £100.

TomOnBoard

bazz26 wrote: »

First ask about the car's service history and ring the garages that did it.

Run a detailed history check to see if it was previously written off or clocked.

Normally I'd advise getting someone like Dekra or the AA to do a comprehensive vehicle inspection but I don't know if they can do that on the hybrid system. Failing that maybe see about having a local Lexus dealer inspect the hybrid drivetrain for any fault.

The dealer may want a deposit to take the advert down pending a vehicle inspection. I'd expect this back if the vehicle inspector advises against buying the car but with small time dealers that might be a hard job.

If the inspection goes well then agree a price with the dealer(they won't be too flexible on the price compared to here). Then arrange to transfer your money before heading over. Use the likes of transfermate, currency fair, etc and remember to allow a day or two for the money to move from your bank threw currency fair to the dealer's account. Once the dealer confirms they have the money then fly over, collect and get the ferry home. Make sure to get the full V5C registration document from the dealer too as you need this to VRT the car here.

One thing of note though is that many UK dealers have a habit of hitting Irish buyers with an "admin fee" when you get there. This can be £100 to £150 on top of the price of the car. They pull this stroke thinking that your heading for a ferry and will just pay it rather than go home empty handed. I'd stand your ground and tell them you have another car lined up to see in the area and you'll buy that one instead. Majority will wilt and won't let you leave for the sake of £100.

+1, except pay nothing (except a refundable deposit) to the dealer before going over. Once its in their account, it wont come back out!

bazz26

Problem with that is that some transfers take a day or two to go through so the dealer won't release the car until the funds are in their bank account. If the detailed vehicle inspection throws up nothing out of the ordinary then it would be decision time really if you want to buy it unless you have a way of paying the dealer on the day you go over.

Del2005

bazz26 wrote: »

First ask about the car's service history and ring the garages that did it.

Run a detailed history check to see if it was previously written off or clocked.

Normally I'd advise getting someone like Dekra or the AA to do a comprehensive vehicle inspection but I don't know if they can do that on the hybrid system. Failing that maybe see about having a local Lexus dealer inspect the hybrid drivetrain for any fault.

The dealer may want a deposit to take the advert down pending a vehicle inspection. I'd expect this back if the vehicle inspector advises against buying the car but with small time dealers that might be a hard job.

If the inspection goes well then agree a price with the dealer(they won't be too flexible on the price compared to here). Then arrange to transfer your money before heading over. Use the likes of transfermate, currency fair, etc and remember to allow a day or two for the money to move from your bank threw currency fair to the dealer's account. Once the dealer confirms they have the money then fly over, collect and get the ferry home. Make sure to get the full V5C registration document from the dealer too as you need this to VRT the car here.

One thing of note though is that many UK dealers have a habit of hitting Irish buyers with an "admin fee" when you get there. This can be £100 to £150 on top of the price of the car. They pull this stroke thinking that your heading for a ferry and will just pay it rather than go home empty handed. I'd stand your ground and tell them you have another car lined up to see in the area and you'll buy that one instead. Majority will wilt and won't let you leave for the sake of £100.

How do you pull that lie when they already have your money to buy the car? The transfer is when you buy the car not when you collect it.

bazz26

Not everyone might pay for the car in advance. Some pay via debit card, etc on the day.

Zurbaran

Thanks lads.

So the price dropped overnight by about 290. I got him to send me pictures of the drivers seat, wheels, service history and also the Lexus full warranty cert that was taken out by the owner although there is only 2 months left on that.

I also rang both Lexus garages it's been serviced at with the last service in July so the battery is under warranty for another 11 months.

I let him know that the seat is worn more than I expectedl so he said he'd get that sorted and knock it off the price. I got him down a further 144.

Going to put a deposit down later today when he confirms the booking for the seat refurb. Then I can book the flight/boat

Been a stressful day with this and work. Am I missing anything?

TomOnBoard

Zurbaran wrote: »

Thanks lads.

So the price dropped overnight by about 290. I got him to send me pictures of the drivers seat, wheels, service history and also the Lexus full warranty cert that was taken out by the owner although there is only 2 months left on that.

I also rang both Lexus garages it's been serviced at with the last service in July so the battery is under warranty for another 11 months.

I let him know that the seat is worn more than I expectedl so he said he'd get that sorted and knock it off the price. I got him down a further 144.

Going to put a deposit down later today when he confirms the booking for the seat refurb. Then I can book the flight/boat

Been a stressful day with this and work. Am I missing anything?

Are you going to get a pro to check it out?

Truckermal

https://www.lexusownersclub.co.uk/forum/forum/51-lexus-gs-300-lexus-gs-250-lexus-gs-430-lexus-450h-lexus-gs-460-club/

Nice lads over on this forum which I use myself if you want to ask any questions!