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NEW 2018 Assistant Principal Officer Competition

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    #512
    duffman13
    Registered Users Posts: 8,946 ✭✭✭duffman13


    Addle wrote: »
    I genuinely believe most people, especially newer recruits, work harder in the public sector than private.
    I think that's why it's not attracting external candidates.

    I'm in the private sector looking to switch based on what I've seen from some friends. Any of the ones at EO or AO level work there socks of from what I can see. I know two COs who have been doing the same job for a number of years and barely seem to do a jot.

    It's like any industry in public or private, some are ambitious and work hard, others barely do enough to get by


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    #513
    APcomp
    Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭APcomp


    Worth pointing out that the salary of ~66,000 results in the same take home pay of a salary of ~57,600 in the private sector (using taxcalc, not jointly assessed). I know the pension is good (though not anywhere near as good as it used to be/still is for longer serving civil servants), but if you're in your thirties in Dublin (where most of these AP positions will be based) and want to start saving for a house in Dublin then the extra net pay matters. There are a lot of companies in Dublin who pay their staff at this level generously, 75-80k, which results in a net pay for which to get the equivalent net pay in the public sector you would require a gross salary of ~92,000.


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    #514
    WAW
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭WAW


    Why are people applying for public sector so? I mean qualified/experienced older people, not new graduates? You don't even get the flexi at AP.


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    #515
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users Posts: 7,199 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    WAW wrote: »
    Why are people applying for public sector so? I mean qualified/experienced older people, not new graduates? You don't even get the flexi at AP.

    A huge thing I hear of is that the conditions of employment are fantastic such as family friendly policies etc... but when same folk try and get Shorter Working Year, Parental Leave (I know there’s a statutory right for it but I know of people who have been blankly refused it), flexible working arrangements etc... they’re just not available.


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    #516
    Kilometres na gcopaleen
    Registered Users Posts: 15 ✭Kilometres na gcopaleen


    WAW wrote: »
    Why are people applying for public sector so? I mean qualified/experienced older people, not new graduates? You don't even get the flexi at AP.

    I think partly because the "Damocles Sword" of imminent non-employment doesn't exist for the vast majority of Civil Servants at most levels, who perform their job adequately. It is a really terrible feeling to have worked your ass off for a company and then to find out, Presto! you're on the dole.


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    #517
    Maybenever
    Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭Maybenever


    APcomp wrote: »
    Worth pointing out that the salary of ~66,000 results in the same take home pay of a salary of ~57,600 in the private sector (using taxcalc, not jointly assessed). I know the pension is good (though not anywhere near as good as it used to be/still is for longer serving civil servants), but if you're in your thirties in Dublin (where most of these AP positions will be based) and want to start saving for a house in Dublin then the extra net pay matters. There are a lot of companies in Dublin who pay their staff at this level generously, 75-80k, which results in a net pay for which to get the equivalent net pay in the public sector you would require a gross salary of ~92,000.

    I assume you are considering pension related deductions in this? You should really have a pension in the private sector too you know. You do pay for that, sometimes your employer will contribute, sometimes they won't. Whilst the new pension isn't the same as the old one, it's still worth a lot and it's pretty much defined benefit. Most private pensions are defined contributions.


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    #518
    PhoenixParker
    Registered Users Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭PhoenixParker


    So betting on results day?


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    #519
    Crunchymomma
    Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Crunchymomma


    PhoenixParker wrote: »
    So betting on results day?

    Id say we are looking at a long wait, crime analyst stage two results just took five weeks!

    I'm going to hazard a guess at Friday 26th


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    #520
    Max Mustermann
    Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭Max Mustermann


    Crunchymomma wrote: »
    Id say we are looking at a long wait, crime analyst stage two results just took five weeks!

    I'm going to hazard a guess at Friday 26th

    I was thinking it would be around Friday 19th


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    #521
    delricyo
    Registered Users Posts: 447 ✭✭delricyo


    Max Mustermann wrote: »
    I was thinking it would be around Friday 19th

    At exactly 15:17 as well :)


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    #522
    Max Mustermann
    Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭Max Mustermann


    delricyo wrote: »
    At exactly 15:17 as well :)

    Maybe Thursday 18th


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    #523
    taato
    Registered Users Posts: 121 ✭✭taato


    Max Mustermann wrote: »
    Maybe Thursday 18th

    26th at 5pm


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    #524
    prettyboy81
    Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭prettyboy81


    Bingo results 4.30 26th bank holiday weekend ruined either way by not passing or knowing you have to do the tests again :D


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    #525
    PhoenixParker
    Registered Users Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭PhoenixParker


    Crunchymomma wrote: »
    Id say we are looking at a long wait, crime analyst stage two results just took five weeks!

    I'm going to hazard a guess at Friday 26th

    Stage 2 usually takes longer because the etray (or equivalent) has a human correction component.

    Stage 1 seems to have taken nine days.

    I'm gonna go for Friday 12th at 3.54pm


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    #526
    Crunchymomma
    Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Crunchymomma


    PhoenixParker wrote: »
    Stage 2 usually takes longer because the etray (or equivalent) has a human correction component.

    Stage 1 seems to have taken nine days.

    I'm gonna go for Friday 12th at 3.54pm

    Stage two for other comp was just verbal and numerical tests again...... They said there was some delayon shl side or something like that


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    #527
    Crunchymomma
    Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Crunchymomma


    Would love if results landed end of this week though!!!


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    #528
    dee75
    Registered Users Posts: 337 ✭✭dee75


    Crunchymomma wrote: »
    Stage two for other comp was just verbal and numerical tests again...... They said there was some delayon shl side or something like that

    Stage 2 was verbal, numerical, job simulation and etray.


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    #529
    Crunchymomma
    Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Crunchymomma


    dee75 wrote: »
    Stage 2 was verbal, numerical, job simulation and etray.

    We were discussing stage two of a different comp if you look back, which was just verbal and numerical.


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    #530
    sillysocks
    Registered Users Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭sillysocks


    Wonder would PAS give an idea of the results date if we contacted them....


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    #531
    duffman13
    Registered Users Posts: 8,946 ✭✭✭duffman13


    sillysocks wrote: »
    Wonder would PAS give an idea of the results date if we contacted them....

    I nominate you to make the call :)


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    #532
    Crunchymomma
    Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Crunchymomma


    sillysocks wrote: »
    Wonder would PAS give an idea of the results date if we contacted them....

    Are you volunteering as tribute? Haha


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    #533
    never_mind
    Registered Users Posts: 915 ✭✭✭never_mind


    If someone posts the email here I will!


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    #534
    sillysocks
    Registered Users Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭sillysocks


    duffman13 wrote: »
    I nominate you to make the call :)

    Might try if I get out of work in time ! Just wasn’t sure if anyone had asked before.


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    #535
    The_Conductor
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    Crunchymomma wrote: »
    Are you volunteering as tribute? Haha

    Tribal drums rolling......... :D


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    #536
    Crunchymomma
    Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Crunchymomma


    never_mind wrote: »
    If someone posts the email here I will!

    Email is Aprecruitment2018@publicjobs.ie


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    #537
    never_mind
    Registered Users Posts: 915 ✭✭✭never_mind


    Crunchymomma wrote: »
    Email is Aprecruitment2018@publicjobs.ie

    Done. Will let ya know if they reply!


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    #538
    Crunchymomma
    Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Crunchymomma


    never_mind wrote: »
    Done. Will let ya know if they reply!

    Good hustle! I feel like I contact them so often between all the comps that they will start blocking me


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    #539
    never_mind
    Registered Users Posts: 915 ✭✭✭never_mind


    Crunchymomma wrote: »
    Good hustle! I feel like I contact them so often between all the comps that they will start blocking me

    Got a reply - to be released in the coming weeks. A bit vague so I guess they might not know themselves.


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    #540
    Crunchymomma
    Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Crunchymomma


    never_mind wrote: »
    Got a reply - to be released in the coming weeks. A bit vague so I guess they might not know themselves.

    Thanks for emailing, they usually are so vague! I rang last Thursday looking for an update on a different campaign and was told results would be out "some time in October". Results issued at 12 the next day!!


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    #541
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users Posts: 7,199 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    never_mind wrote: »
    Got a reply - to be released in the coming weeks. A bit vague so I guess they might not know themselves.

    I rang them regarding results at one of the stages in the 2016 competition and was told it would be at least two weeks before the results were out... they released them later that day.


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