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Dublin - Building heights

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  • #2


    Great to see but it's really sad that we're achieving progress only through diktats. Local democracy isn't working, people in power are too corrupt/stupid to make the right decision. If it were left to them, Dublin would be mostly derelict and new developments would be banned, they'd probably turn it into an open air museum with UNESCO status. There's no obvious way to fix this long term.


  • #2


    it looks like commuter towns will continue for a long time with decisions like this

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0325/1206157-permission-for-600-homes-on-former-rte-lands-quashed/


  • #2


    No idea what this area is like or if it is over-development but I would love to visit Goatshattan in the future.


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    No idea what this area is like or if it is over-development but I would love to visit Goatshattan in the future.

    Lovely area, but no contact links other than bus.

    Its a long walk to the Luas.


  • #2


    denartha wrote: »
    Lovely area, but no contact links other than bus.

    Its a long walk to the Luas.

    That’s what I thought too but Google says it’s a 13 minute walk to Balally which means most people could do it in around 10. That puts it under half an hour to the city centre.

    Local transport links aren’t great though, the 11 isn’t a great bus and it’s the only one in the area IIRC.


  • #2


    It has the 175 as well now which is a quick hop to dundrum Luas/n11, will be handier when the 90 minute fare is brought in soon


  • #2


    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/johnny-ronan-s-40-storey-docklands-tower-scheme-is-refused-permission-1.4571367

    Waterfront South Central refused by ABP on the back of the High Court ruling that ABP can't contravene the SDZ this is proposed in with relation to building heights.

    Disappointing but not remotely surprising. If ABP had approved it, DCC would have gone to the High Court and got it overturned.

    Then we have our "housing saviour" coming out with this...

    https://twitter.com/EOBroin/status/1395735346441293829


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    marno21 wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/johnny-ronan-s-40-storey-docklands-tower-scheme-is-refused-permission-1.4571367

    Waterfront South Central refused by ABP on the back of the High Court ruling that ABP can't contravene the SDZ this is proposed in with relation to building heights.

    Disappointing but not remotely surprising. If ABP had approved it, DCC would have gone to the High Court and got it overturned.

    Then we have our "housing saviour" coming out with this...

    https://twitter.com/EOBroin/status/1395735346441293829

    It makes me embarrassed to be Irish when we have clowns referring to the project as 'vanity'. So-called 'vanity' projects are common place the world over. Not only is this NIMBYism but, it also has heavy undercurrents of begrudgery.

    Thanks to this myopia, residential sprawl will continue spreading outwards rather than upwards. Ah, "Progress"!


  • #2


    Why in the hell do we still have political representatives here championing decisions by ABP that go against vital housing projects like this one getting built in Dublin's Docklands? I just don't understand the logic of this decision at all when people all around the city & beyond would be crying out for something of this scale to help them out with their housing situation. This development sounded like it was going to be a huge benefit to those who were currently on the DCC social housing list. There was officially 100 units available for social housing tenants to be built with this development. That was aiming to take a considerable chunk of people off the DCC social housing list over the next few years. And now we are back at square one.

    It's a massive disgrace that people like Eoin O'Broin, who is a SF TD who is part of the main opposition party in Dáil at the moment, to be advocating decisions like this development to be rejected for people who want to live & work in the city of Dublin in the future. If Eoin O'Broin wanted SF to be in government in the Dáil after the next GE sometime in 2025 or so and become Minister for Housing; he should be publicly embracing many more developments like the Docklands all around the country to try and get the housing situation in this country to be put under some of proper control once again.

    However; voters, that are currently stuck in limbo, now know they've been fooled once more regarding housing. People who had voted for SF in the last GE in 2020 would have wanted to be constantly berating them to get housing projects approved in their own constituencies as soon as possible if their own living situation wasn't tenable to continue on at this current time. We have one of the highest numbers of young people living with their parents in Europe. A lot of these young people in the last GE in 2020 were potentially SF voters who wanted to vote for them who wanted to bring about a significant change in their life in the future. But now; as we have seen from this decision in the Docklands in recent times; people have lost their sense of hope once again.

    People who are currently stuck in this limbo cannot tolerate decisions like this to continue once more in their lives. They need to see hope. They need to see long standing changes in public policy being approved in how we are living & working in this country in the future. And they need to see it now.


  • #2


    ABP could not legally grant it, due to a high court precedent.


  • #2


    Why in the hell do we still have political representatives here championing decisions by ABP that go against vital housing projects like this one getting built in Dublin's Docklands?
    The ABP didn't have any choice in the matter. If it were up to them they likely would have granted permission.

    The Salesforce tower decision established that SDZ rules have precedence in granting permission and that ABP cannot override the SDZ rules. DCC in in charge of the SDZ so ultimately it is DCC's fault - they've continued defending the silly SDZ height restrictions through legal action.

    This whole thing has been a circus show. Everybody, including Ronan, knew this wasn't going get permission - precedence had already been established. But job done, newspaper stories are written, concerned politicians are interviewed, publicity generated, etc.


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