Why do people still go to Dubai with its contempt for basic human rights?

Sleepy

Sleepy wrote: »

I can understand people wanting to spend a few years working as teachers / nurses / engineers / whatever in a country with practically no income tax: it's a handy way to get the deposit for a house together. Personally, I couldn't do it if I knew the country in question was built on slavery and oppression, and I feel no qualms about judging others for doing so, even if I can understand their motivations.

I've not been to the UAE, have no intention of ever visiting and would share the OPs lack of understanding for how anyone could holiday there with a clean conciense.

My husband has the exact same opinion and was offered a job in one of the Emirates during the downturn but would not take it and instead commuted to London on a weekly basis for 18 months.

Has Irish society really made such a god of alcohol that going somewhere without easy access to alcohol is an issue?

TheQuietFella

Pauliedragon wrote: »

That story isn't as simple as her having a glass of wine. She turned up with no visa, starting mouthing off at the immi officials then tried to film them. Yes locking her up for that is probably a bit harsh but personally I don't have much sympathy for her, she should know better than to cause a scene in a place like that. This whole "she was locked up for simply having a glass of wine" bull**** is just media headlining nonsense as usual.

If this is the case they should have left her there!

I always think of this clip when situation like the above occur!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhZRDoGZg00

topper75

AllForIt wrote: »

Dubai or not Dubai, that is the question.

Ah you are taking me back to the ould days now.

Ils dubonnont?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSQT2IXXyxw

Subcomandante Marcos

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Because the laws are hodgepodge and incompatible. It's legal to drink in this spot, step outside this spot and need to visit a hospital or police station, and you're liable for prosecution for being drunk, even if you're not drunk, and you drank the alcohol in a places that can legally sell alcohol.

What risk, you are talking nonsense. Leave aside the fact I spent a week on the p*ss overthere with zero hassle but as I said I have a family member living over there who along with the very large Irish and English community she is part of spend 2 if not 3 days a week on the beer every week of a full year and yet no hassle for any of the people sho know or hundreds of people she could hear about through friends of friends.

I’ve heard plenty of stores from her of taxi’s calling the cops on passengers being asleep etc and they are sound as could be just drop the person home without a bother.

I’ll likely be visiting again next year as it’s a great spot and trust me any worries about drinking over there won’t enter my head as I take into the pints in what ever crazy day long drinking events we go to :pac:.

TheQuietFella

CruelCoin wrote: »

Yup.
Drink all you like in the hotel bar, but you better be 100% sober before you leave the hotel grounds.

I wonder if we could enforce that over here?

Jamsiek

no.8 wrote: »

Think you might have other issues... 8 cans on a flight <8hours.

I know others who've lived in Abu Dhabi and left due to the archaic laws on co-occomodation and alcohol. You haven't lived there

In fairness Abu Dhabi is stricter than Dubai.
There are 7 emirates which are like states where they have different laws from one another.
Dubai is seen as relatively liberal in comparison to for example, Sharjah which is more like Saudi Arabia

Jamsiek

end of the road wrote: »

i know, shur itl be mihey craic begorra. :puke. the country should be stripped of the world cup.

They're not hosting it. Qatar is hosting it

Andrew Beef

That woman’s story has been exposed as a pack of lies.

Dubai is a great place for a holiday.

Jamsiek

Samara Old Globe wrote: »

As for not living there, I have a close female family member living there and she loves the place. They certainly have no issues with drinking, they spend most of their weekends eating and drinking in fairly luxurious surroundings. Ive been in places over there that would barely be allowed here from free for all drinking point of view.

That's true to a degree. They tolerate it if it's away from general view. Same with prostitution from what I saw.
Public drunkenness is generally not tolerated although it's not well policed unless you get in trouble.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Andrew Beef wrote: »

That woman’s story has been exposed as a pack of lies.

Dubai is a great place for a holiday.

Has it? How?

PlaneSpeeking

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Andrew Beef wrote: »

That woman’s story has been exposed as a pack of lies.

Dubai is a great place for a holiday.

Has it? How?

She was arrested for an invalid visa, filming in an unauthorised area and abusing the immigration official.

This has been shown at least twice in this thread.

end of the road

Jamsiek wrote: »

They're not hosting it. Qatar is hosting it

yeah i forgot that. it's also a hellhole and shouldn't be given such the fantastic chance of hosting the world cup.

Andrew Beef

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Andrew Beef wrote: »

That woman’s story has been exposed as a pack of lies.

Dubai is a great place for a holiday.

Has it? How?

The woman was travelling on an invalid visa/passport, she was abusive, and she filmed the immigration people despite being asked to stop.

She got what she deserved and no amount of social justice warrior ranting can change that.

old_aussie

Andrew Beef wrote: »

That woman’s story has been exposed as a pack of lies.

Dubai is a great place for a holiday.

Did you mean this woman.....

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/travel-news/british-woman-arrested-in-dubai-after-ordering-wine-on-emirates-flight/news-story/bfe8481739e1b08a1dddbf6224326727

Dubai Sounds like a right good place for a holiday.

I won't be going to Dubai, too much sand for me!

CruelCoin

TheQuietFella wrote: »

I wonder if we could enforce that over here?

Why would you want to?

Live and let live.

Tom Dunne

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Has it? How?

Oh dear God, I give up.

I really do.

PlaneSpeeking

Tom Dunne wrote: »

Oh dear God, I give up.

I really do.

Twice at least it's been demonstrated - there are none so blind as those who will not see what is staring them in the face as it does not suit their narrative!

badtoro

JupiterKid wrote: »

Why do Westerners still choose to live and holiday there?

Greed &/ lacking morals are two reasons off the top of my head. I refused to visit that part of the world last year, mush the same as I'd refuse to visit Russia or other parts of the world where I disagree with their Government's policies or prevailing public opinions.

Tom Dunne

badtoro wrote: »

Greed &/ lacking morals are two reasons off the top of my head. I refused to visit that part of the world last year, mush the same as I'd refuse to visit Russia or other parts of the world where I disagree with their Government's policies or prevailing public opinions.

Knock China off the list for their human rights record, so.

Oh, and the US for their institutionalised racism, f**ked up politics and rampant consumerism.

Most of South America would be out because of the dictatorships that operate there.

South Africa is out because of the endemic corruption and the threat of physical violence.

Do I even need to mention Israel?

And I could go on. Pretty much most countries outside of Europe have some form of human rights violations that would preclude you from going there.

Actually, look East and there are a few countries in Europe with unsavoury characters running the show.

You know what, staycations are underrated. I'm going to Dingle next year. Is Fungi still a thing? At least I can get a pint in peace there.

PlaneSpeeking

Tom Dunne wrote: »

Knock China off the list for their human rights record, so.

Oh, and the US for their institutionalised racism, f**ked up politics and rampant consumerism.

Most of South America would be out because of the dictatorships that operate there.

South Africa is out because of the endemic corruption and the threat of physical violence.

Do I even need to mention Israel?

And I could go on. Pretty much most countries outside of Europe have some form of human rights violations that would preclude you from going there.

Actually, look East and there are a few countries in Europe with unsavoury characters running the show.

You know what, staycations are underrated. I'm going to Dingle next year. Is Fungi still a thing? At least I can get a pint in peace there.

He is still there I believe but I suspect it's like Sooty and we're on to the fourth "Fungi" now!

howdido

badtoro wrote: »

JupiterKid wrote: »

Why do Westerners still choose to live and holiday there?

Greed &/ lacking morals are two reasons off the top of my head. I refused to visit that part of the world last year, mush the same as I'd refuse to visit Russia or other parts of the world where I disagree with their Government's policies or prevailing public opinions.

Enjoy staying in Ireland the rest of your life!

John_Rambo

There’s two types of Irish people that go to Dubai.

The first type go to work

The second type go to tell people they’ve been to Dubai.

badtoro

howdido wrote: »

Enjoy staying in Ireland the rest of your life!

In answer to your username, could try harder.

howdido

badtoro wrote: »

howdido wrote: »

Enjoy staying in Ireland the rest of your life!

In answer to your username, could try harder.

I must admit I chuckled at this!
In all fairness I doubt you've never wore NIKE clothing even though they've had slave factories in China. I also doubt you judge other people for wearing the same. Likewise I think its unfair to judge people just because they live / holiday in Dubai. 
You are also missing out on seeing the vast majority of the world if you don't visit any place where you disagree with the politics.

badtoro

howdido wrote: »

I must admit I chuckled at this!
In all fairness I doubt you've never wore NIKE clothing even though they've had slave factories in China. I also doubt you judge other people for wearing the same. Likewise I think its unfair to judge people just because they live / holiday in Dubai. 
You are also missing out on seeing the vast majority of the world if you don't visit any place where you disagree with the politics.

Quick, look over there.

I choose my politics, my likes & dislikes on a case by case basis and base my thoughts on this. I dont let other peoples agendas pick for me, such as making global statements on human rights etc.

The world is as the world is, anyone looking to live in a perfect world may as well head for the nearest high bridge because they won't find it in this lifetime.

cdeb

howdido wrote: »

Enjoy staying in Ireland the rest of your life!

I object to Ireland's policy of rising house prices, no repossessions, and staged homeless acts. Where does that leave me?

howdido

badtoro wrote: »

howdido wrote: »

I must admit I chuckled at this!
In all fairness I doubt you've never wore NIKE clothing even though they've had slave factories in China. I also doubt you judge other people for wearing the same. Likewise I think its unfair to judge people just because they live / holiday in Dubai. 
You are also missing out on seeing the vast majority of the world if you don't visit any place where you disagree with the politics.

Quick, look over there.

I choose my politics, my likes & dislikes on a case by case basis and base my thoughts on this. I dont let other peoples agendas pick for me, such as making global statements on human rights etc.

The world is as the world is, anyone looking to live in a perfect world may as well head for the nearest high bridge because they won't find it in this lifetime.

So to summarize your statement you’re a hypocrite

badtoro

howdido wrote: »

So to summarize your statement you’re a hypocrite

Show me some one who ain't. I suit myself like everyone else.

Graces7

badtoro wrote: »

Quick, look over there.

I choose my politics, my likes & dislikes on a case by case basis and base my thoughts on this. I dont let other peoples agendas pick for me, such as making global statements on human rights etc.

The world is as the world is, anyone looking to live in a perfect world may as well head for the nearest high bridge because they won't find it in this lifetime.

and it is how YOU/|We live that matters. Visiting a place does not mean approval or being a hypocrite. Bad things go on everywhere. and there is beauty everywhere.

Graces7

cdeb wrote: »

I object to Ireland's policy of rising house prices, no repossessions, and staged homeless acts. Where does that leave me?

hopefully with a safe roof over your head..;)