Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

tom1ie

maynooth_rules wrote: »

I don't get this. I imagine it would an immensely popular move amongst the tax payers to tackle this issue. And long term unemployed who have no interest in ever finding work would obviously never vote FG so it won't affect votes from that point.

This is the thing. Why haven’t any fg politicians came out and called it what it is? Are they now so scared off the leftist media that they won’t risk it? Do we have anyone in this country who is more “right of centre” than fg?
To be honest this right and left is a load of nonsense. For me it’s just common sense that someone on welfare shouldn’t be getting more than a two parent family, both working, both paying tax.

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And just to follow-up on my point earlier about getting up, dropping kids to creche etc. I don't expect a medal for that, it's the norm these days and I'm happy to say we have a comfortable lifestyle earning decent salaries.

I'm just annoyed that some of the tax I pay is being wasted so obviously. Cash could get to a situation where she has has her €80K "salary" and a house that at most will be costing her a nominal fee. Most working families on that money would be paying a mortgage or rent so she has more disposable income than them.

But what about the people that aren't earning decent salaries, those on minimum wage or just above? I have huge respect for people that work for a little more or even less than what they would get from welfare. They may be working for their own mental well-being, to show a good example to their kids or as a stepping stone to better jobs. They and other workers should be applauded, not a privileged woman working the welfare system.

Fann Linn

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

The only time I've seen our interests vaguely prioritised was Leo saying he wanted to help those who get up early and he was castigated for it.

SF don't care - they seemed like they may have been for the workers but no.

Have we really gone from James Connolly and Big Jim Larkin fighting for the right to work to the left wing parties fighting for the right not to ?

I love my country but I despair.

Leo only paid lip service to the 'people who get up in the morning'. If I recall correctly those on SW got a per week larger increase in the next budget than those who actually did get out of the bed.

Leo is a spoofer.

ELM327

tom1ie wrote: »

This is the thing. Why haven’t any fg politicians came out and called it what it is? Are they now so scared off the leftist media that they won’t risk it? Do we have anyone in this country who is more “right of centre” than fg?
To be honest this right and left is a load of nonsense. For me it’s just common sense that someone on welfare shouldn’t be getting more than a two parent family, both working, both paying tax.

At some point, the dole changed from sustenance to lifestyle choice.
We need to change it back.


Implement a sliding scale, cap child benefit at 2 children max and also cap qualified minor dole payments at 2 children max.


Can we have a citizens assembly about this or something?

PlaneSpeeking

Bria Bumpy Scabby wrote: »

And just to follow-up on my point earlier about getting up, dropping kids to creche etc. I don't expect a medal for that, it's the norm these days and I'm happy to say we have a comfortable lifestyle earning decent salaries.

I'm just annoyed that some of the tax I pay is being wasted so obviously. Cash could get to a situation where she has has her €80K "salary" and a house that at most will be costing her a nominal fee. Most working families on that money would be paying a mortgage or rent so she has more disposable income than them.

But what about the people that aren't earning decent salaries, those on minimum wage or just above? I have huge respect for people that work for a little more or even less than what they would get from welfare. They may be working for their own mental well-being, to show a good example to their kids or as a stepping stone to better jobs. They and other workers should be applauded, not a privileged woman working the welfare system.

That is exactly the point!

Over the last couple of days we've had "you're not special"; "you could have that same lifestyle" (nonsense!) plus - personally - accusations that because I enjoy the odd binge of a box set I can't be working as hard! Mental stuff Ted!

In a way they're right, we contributors are not special or we certainly shouldn't be. Sadly we're seen as pure cash cows - people used to talk about the "haves and have nots". In Ireland today, we're very much the "have nots".

PlaneSpeeking

Fann Linn wrote: »

Leo only paid lip service to the 'people who get up in the morning'. If I recall correctly those on SW got a per week larger increase in the next budget than those who actually did get out of the bed.

Leo is a spoofer.

I remember watching the budget and seeing SW getting a minimum of a fiver a week. My tax break that budget was 2.11 a week.

Yay.

tom1ie

ELM327 wrote: »

At some point, the dole changed from sustenance to lifestyle choice.
We need to change it back.


Implement a sliding scale, cap child benefit at 2 children max and also cap qualified minor dole payments at 2 children max.


Can we have a citizens assembly about this or something?

Yeah but which politicians are gonna back that?

dav3

ELM327 wrote: »

If connolly or larkin were around now they would probably be accused of being centrist, it's so far to the extreme that the left wing has gone.

Yes they sounded very centrist alright *insert laugher here*. I can only imagine the hysteria from the non-Irish re-regs if they were still alive and started coming out with quotes like this.

Yes, friends, governments in capitalist society are but committees of the rich to manage the affairs of the capitalist class.

Don't be 'practical' in politics. To be practical in that sense means that you have schooled yourself to think along the lines, and in the grooves that those who rob you would desire you to think.

The Irish Republic must be made a word to conjure with - a rallying point for the disaffected, a haven for the oppressed, a point of departure for the socialist, enthusiastic in the cause of human freedom.

State ownership and control is not necessarily Socialism - if it were, then the Army, the Navy, the Police, the Judges, the Gaolers, the Informers, and the Hangmen, all would all be Socialist functionaries, as they are State officials - but the ownership by the State of all the land and materials for labour, combined with the co-operative control by the workers of such land and materials, would be Socialism.

Whoop it up for liberty! After Ireland is free, says the patriot who won't touch socialism, we will protect all classes, and if you won't pay your rent you will be evicted same as now. But the evicting party, under command of the sheriff, will wear green uniforms and the Harp without the Crown, and the warrant turning you out on the roadside will be stamped with the arms of the Irish Republic. Now, isn't that worth fighting for?

The worker is the slave of capitalist society, the female worker is the slave of that slave.

The Irishman frees himself from slavery when he realises the truth that the capitalist system is the most foreign thing in Ireland. The Irish question is a social question.

Those who want to divide the workers have resorted to the foulest methods.

I am, of course, aware that the ultimate solution is the ownership and control of the means of life by the whole of the people; but we are not at that stage of development as yet.

Russia is the only place where men and women can be free.

ELM327

tom1ie wrote: »

Yeah but which politicians are gonna back that?

Hence my citizens assembly remark.
No party wanted to be seen with abortion but the pushing it to the citizens assembly allowed the assembly to make the reccomendation and the government to just say "we have to follow the citizens assembly".


The problem is that no one wants to annoy the neuveau riche lifetime dole cheats as they have the most time on their hands so they will vote them out. I'm gone monday to friday from dawn to dusk, like most of middle ireland to fund these people staying at home on their hole. And because they are at home, they can mobilise and protest because they've nothing better to do.

Wanderer78

ELM327 wrote: »

If connolly or larkin were around now they would probably be accused of being centrist, it's so far to the extreme that the left wing has gone.

It's almost as if left wing now means that "de gubbernment joe" should be required to fund everyone's life.


As a staunch republican it makes me sick to think of the aspired ireland "socialist and free" which connolly et al once opined, now means an ireland with no personal responsibility but one where you can do whatever you want and the rest pick up the can. There's no excuse for being unemployed now. We're reaching full employment!

you should probably do some research into the roots causes of unemployment, particularly long term unemployment, its actually very complex. its also important to realise, ireland is a fairly standard free market economy, of which you ll find, socialism isnt particularly at the heart of this ideology

oceanman

Bria Bumpy Scabby wrote: »

This story is pretty disgusting to me. Wife and I are up since before 7 getting ready for work and going taking our 12 month to the crèche on the way to work. That's the reality for a lot of people in the country and then we have to fund spoiled, petulant, fcukers like her so she can sit in a big house on her arse bringing in the equivalent of an 80k salary.

The system, her and the homelessness industry are just goading us now.

I learned a long time ago that getting upset about how the government spend your taxes is futile, all you will have is sleepless nights and bags under you eyes..

PlaneSpeeking

tom1ie wrote: »

Yeah but which politicians are gonna back that?

Every day a FB friend posts pictures of Conservative ministers/Theresa May etc dressed as the grim reaper. They had the sheer audacity (/sarcasm!) to suggest a scheme that paid benefits in a method that made it easier to transition into work.

I'm guessing that is the prevailing attitude here too and so sadly I can't see

According to the like of Boyd Barrett, Murphy, Coppinger etc there are two classes in Ireland - poor downtrodden salt of the earth types, constantly getting screwed over by the other class: the evil bankers and the 1%.

They consider us in the last category by the way!

ELM327

Wanderer78 wrote: »

you should probably do some research into the roots causes of unemployment, particularly long term unemployment, its actually very complex. its also important to realise, ireland is a fairly standard free market economy, of which you ll find, socialism isnt particularly at the heart of this ideology

You should probably do some research into this thing called money. It's really interesting as it can be exchanged for goods and services.

dav3 wrote: »

Yes they sounded very centrist alright *insert laugher here*. I can only imagine the hysteria from the non-Irish re-regs if they were still alive and started coming out with quotes like this.

I don't understand what this has to do with my post - have you quoted me in error?

PlaneSpeeking

ELM327 wrote: »

You should probably do some research into this thing called money. It's really interesting as it can be exchanged for goods and services.




I don't understand what this has to do with my post - have you quoted me in error?

I have that "person" on ignore ELM and for very good reason. Don't worry about it.

I'm unsure as to how many personal off topic digs gets one banned but apparently the limit has not yet been reached.

FYI - a rereg is a banned poster sneaking back. I have a new account name, sanctioned by Boards. So you may want to dial back the accusations

dav3

ELM327 wrote: »

I don't understand what this has to do with my post - have you quoted me in error?

Not at all. You should probably educate yourself further on what Connolly and Larkin stood for.

The_Kew_Tour

We are a Welfare Nation

Everyone who works hard knows this.

It must be fantastic for the people who are still in bed and know that our work pays for their enjoyments and a nice house to go with it.

ELM327

dav3 wrote: »

Not at all. You should probably educate yourself further on what Connolly and Larkin stood for.

I think alas it is you who needs further information and education around the use of simile/metaphor and exaggerated sarcasm as forms of satire.

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Based on today’s Irish examiner across the board welfare increases could be on the way pushing the dole back over €200 a week for a single person.

If this happens I’ll get myself sacked and live the highlife doing f**k all.

Ms Cash will gain substantially.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/report-gives-stark-warning-were-a-welfare-nation-862009.html

PlaneSpeeking

ELM327 wrote: »

I think alas it is you who needs further information and education around the use of simile/metaphor and exaggerated sarcasm as forms of satire.

I was born about 30 seconds from where Jim Larkin was born.

Oh and I'm looking at a Connolly Association membership card here.

Some argue - lesser minds mock. Larkin coined the slogan "A fair day's work for a fair day's pay".

If only eh ?

The_Kew_Tour

I was wondering why see so many Pregnant Women these days.

What a life

PlaneSpeeking

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I was wondering why see so many Pregnant Women these days.

What a life

The sainted mother used to give dire warnings "if you get pregnant you'll end up on the streets with nothing".

A rare occurrence of her not being right, may God rest her soul.

Lux23

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

Based on today’s Irish examiner across the board welfare increases could be on the way pushing the dole back over €200 a week for a single person.

If this happens I’ll get myself sacked and live the highlife doing f**k all.

Ms Cash will gain substantially.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/report-gives-stark-warning-were-a-welfare-nation-862009.html

You've clearly never had to survive on the dole. I have and I did everything in my power to get off it and into a job where I wouldn't face that possibility again.

Idbatterim

tom1ie wrote: »

Here’s a question. Which political party or even politician do we have in Ireland that has the ideology to change the system to stop this rom continuing? We have left and hard left, even the centre party’s seem to be slightly left. Are fg not supposed to be centre right? Not one of them have had the bollocks to call this what it is.
I seriously think if you had a party that vowed to reform the welfare state that has been created, especially with this weeks goings on and the fact an election is probably just around the corner, theyd end up with a majority- despite the media.

Renua. They have dropped their fist tax policy. They don’t support welfare increases and no patty should at the moment. There is absolutely no grounds for them, except when you’re a politician and that’s the demographic that you are targeting. Usc should be abolished and can be abolished. No welfare increases for several years would comfortably pay for it ...

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The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I was wondering why see so many Pregnant Women these days.

What a life

Every notice how many of these have their youngest child approaching or already over 7 years old mysteriously?

Mike Hoch

tuxy wrote: »

I don't think it's council houses she is turning down, not many council houses would fit that many people!

I think it's emergency housing and private houses with the landlord accepting HAP that she has been turning down.

Not by today's ludicrous standards of course.

I doubt there's a 3 bed council house, and even 2 beds, built on this island before the 70's that didn't typically house at least 6 children, and often more.

It's an amazing state of affairs really. A childless couple buying a two bed property are gambling that they'll have two boys or two girls. If there's an imbalance, they're paying 20K plus for an attic renovation.

Erica Fleming ends up having a boy she will be getting the council to move her to a 3 bed gratis.

It's mind boggling.

oceanman

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

Based on today’s Irish examiner across the board welfare increases could be on the way pushing the dole back over €200 a week for a single person.

If this happens I’ll get myself sacked and live the highlife doing f**k all.

Ms Cash will gain substantially.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/report-gives-stark-warning-were-a-welfare-nation-862009.html

be careful what you wish for.... I spent a number of years on the dole and was very glad when I finally got back to work, it aint all its cracked to be believe me.

PlaneSpeeking

Lux23 wrote: »

You've clearly never had to survive on the dole. I have and I did everything in my power to get off it and into a job where I wouldn't face that possibility again.

And that is a rare example sadly.

dav3

ELM327 wrote: »

I think alas it is you who needs further information and education around the use of simile/metaphor and exaggerated sarcasm as forms of satire.

Shall we take that for all your posts, or just the ones that you are called out on?

Lux23

Idbatterim wrote: »

Renua. They have dropped their fist tax policy. They don’t support welfare increases and no patty should at the moment. There is absolutely no grounds for them, except when you’re a politician and that’s the demographic that you are targeting. Usc should be abolished and can be abolished. No welfare increases for several years would comfortably pay for it ...

Well, if you convince one person to vote for Renua they might get two votes in the next election.

Idbatterim

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

Based on today’s Irish examiner across the board welfare increases could be on the way pushing the dole back over €200 a week for a single person.

If this happens I’ll get myself sacked and live the highlife doing f**k all.

Ms Cash will gain substantially.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/report-gives-stark-warning-were-a-welfare-nation-862009.html

yeah. I calculated the last week, that a worker on 30,000 last year, received a weekly tax cut of e1.50. I expect the same to be repeated for budget 2019. The parasite politicians, looking to buy off the other parasites, say anything less than a e5 weekly welfare increase, is an “insult “ !!! We’re the morons for tolerating it !!!