Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

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Sofiztikated wrote: »

A genuine question, what do people actually want to do with someone like Cash?

Cash herself is not the problem. The system is the problem.

She only has a primary education because travellers take their children out of school at a very early age. The state needs to stop pandering to "traveller culture" and crack down on practices of early school leaving in this community. The Education (Welfare) Act 2000 says that children must stay in school until age 16 or until they complete three years of post-primary education, whichever is the later. I know that if I took my child out of school at the age of 11 or 12, somebody would soon be knocking on the door to ask questions. So why isn't the law enforced when it comes to travellers?

Welfare reform and tax reform are also urgently needed. Many people in Ireland with college degrees and good jobs can't afford to buy a home or have a family due to the extortionate cost of housing and childcare. If they get a raise or a bonus that could help them, they must hand over 52% of it to the state to fund the so-called "fair society" that the politicians are always warbling on about.

And then there are the welfare dependents, for whom every additional baby adds to the household income and moves the family up the local authority housing list -- so they have every incentive to have big families so that they can get more income and free houses.

A "fair society" is not one where all the benefits go to those who contribute nothing. That's a profoundly unfair society. But things won't change until the majority of Irish people wake up and realize that.

Judson Calm Remote

Judson Calm Remote wrote: »

Cash herself is not the problem. The system is the problem.

She only has a primary education because travellers take their children out of school at a very early age. The state needs to stop pandering to "traveller culture" and crack down on practices of early school leaving in this community. The Education (Welfare) Act 2000 says that children must stay in school until age 16 or until they complete three years of post-primary education, whichever is the later. I know that if I took my child out of school at the age of 11 or 12, somebody would soon be knocking on the door to ask questions. So why isn't the law enforced when it comes to travellers?

Welfare reform and tax reform are also urgently needed. Many people in Ireland with college degrees and good jobs can't afford to buy a home or have a family due to the extortionate cost of housing and childcare. If they get a raise or a bonus that could help them, they must hand over 52% of it to the state to fund the so-called "fair society" that the politicians are always warbling on about.

And then there are the welfare dependents, for whom every additional baby adds to the household income and moves the family up the local authority housing list -- so they have every incentive to have big families so that they can get more income and free houses.

A "fair society" is not one where all the benefits go to those who contribute nothing. That's a profoundly unfair society. But things won't change until the majority of Irish people wake up and realize that.

This post is worth repeating. There is something seriously wrong when a hard working family are bringing in less than a family living on welfare.

PlaneSpeeking

Deleted User wrote: »

This post is worth repeating. There is something seriously wrong when a hard working family are bringing in less than a family living on welfare.

Never mind repeating, that needs tattooing on the chest of Eoin O'Broian!

Agent Smith

tomofson wrote: »

I think this thread has ran its course, think its time to lock mods.

ah how are ya Margaret?

Dannyriver

Judson Calm Remote wrote: »

Cash herself is not the problem. The system is the problem.

She only has a primary education because travellers take their children out of school at a very early age. The state needs to stop pandering to "traveller culture" and crack down on practices of early school leaving in this community. The Education (Welfare) Act 2000 says that children must stay in school until age 16 or until they complete three years of post-primary education, whichever is the later. I know that if I took my child out of school at the age of 11 or 12, somebody would soon be knocking on the door to ask questions. So why isn't the law enforced when it comes to travellers?

Welfare reform and tax reform are also urgently needed. Many people in Ireland with college degrees and good jobs can't afford to buy a home or have a family due to the extortionate cost of housing and childcare. If they get a raise or a bonus that could help them, they must hand over 52% of it to the state to fund the so-called "fair society" that the politicians are always warbling on about.

And then there are the welfare dependents, for whom every additional baby adds to the household income and moves the family up the local authority housing list -- so they have every incentive to have big families so that they can get more income and free houses.

A "fair society" is not one where all the benefits go to those who contribute nothing. That's a profoundly unfair society. But things won't change until the majority of Irish people wake up and realize that.

You need to tell that to some of the other posters on the thread because a cursory glance at any of the last 6 squillion pages on this thread very clearly illustrates that people see her and her children as very much the problem and the target of their ire and at times venom.

Wheeliebin30

Dannyriver wrote: »

You need to tell that to some of the other posters on the thread because a cursory glance at any of the last 6 squillion pages on this thread very clearly illustrates that people see her and her children as very much the problem and the target of their ire and at times venom.

The system is there to help people in need and I applaud our government for that.

This one is abusing and scamming the system.

She is responsible for her actions and nobody else.

See that word responsible????

erica74

Dannyriver wrote: »

You need to tell that to some of the other posters on the thread because a cursory glance at any of the last 6 squillion pages on this thread very clearly illustrates that people see her and her children as very much the problem and the target of their ire and at times venom.

Have you ever heard of personal responsibility? You must have, even with just a cursory glance of the last 6 squillion pages on this thread, you'll have read about personal responsibility and what it means. Yet, for some reason, you still don't seem to understand it.

Dannyriver

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

The system is there to help people in need and I applaud our government for that.

This one is abusing and scamming the system.

She is responsible for her actions and nobody else.

See that word responsible????

I agree but unfortunately some posters on here need to take personal responsibility for the generalisations and singling out of children for their uncontrolled vitriol. Responsibility is always a 2 way street.

PlaneSpeeking

Dannyriver wrote: »

I agree but unfortunately some posters on here need to take personal responsibility for the generalisations and singling out of children for their uncontrolled vitriol. Responsibility is always a 2 way street.

Vitriol ? Try "justified fury".

Dannyriver

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Vitriol ? Try "justified fury".

I cant you ve used it all up:eek:

PlaneSpeeking

Dannyriver wrote: »

I cant you ve used it all up:eek:

I bet that sounded so much wittier in your head eh ?

Dannyriver

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I bet that sounded so much wittier in your head eh ?

It gotta rise out of you clearly

Commanchie

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Never mind repeating, that needs tattooing on the chest of Eoin O'Broian!

*O Broin, Youre welcome.

What is your issue with housing being afforded to this woman.

jay0109

Watch out, the injuns have arrived :rolleyes:

end of the road

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Her and her husband are still doing what you suggest regardless of their welfare income.

they are, but they are likely to do a lot more of it if there were no wellfare payments.

end of the road

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

The system is there to help people in need and I applaud our government for that.

This one is abusing and scamming the system.

She is responsible for her actions and nobody else.

See that word responsible????

in what way is she abusing and scamming the system. to be scamming the system she would surely have to be breaking the actual rules of that system. from what i have saw, she hasn't broken any actual rules in relation to her availing of the system therefore is not scamming it.
now certainly her choices that have caused her to end up where she is are questionable, and in relation to the criminal activity she is said to have been involved in, very very wrong. but from what i can see she isn't scamming or abusing but simply availing of what she is entitled to.
if you genuinely believe that she is scamming and abusing the system then by all means report your concerns to the wellfare and authorities.

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Vitriol ? Try "justified fury".

no lets call it what it is, vitriol.

Gatling

BelovedAunt wrote: »

I saw her at the bus stop in Drumcondra the other day so it's unlikely.

Actually she's posted selfies while driving previously , chances are she is driving and owns a car ,
She would have needed a car to move her mobile home around tallaght

Kivaro

Judson Calm Remote wrote: »

Cash herself is not the problem. The system is the problem.

She only has a primary education because travellers take their children out of school at a very early age. The state needs to stop pandering to "traveller culture" and crack down on practices of early school leaving in this community. The Education (Welfare) Act 2000 says that children must stay in school until age 16 or until they complete three years of post-primary education, whichever is the later. I know that if I took my child out of school at the age of 11 or 12, somebody would soon be knocking on the door to ask questions. So why isn't the law enforced when it comes to travellers?

Welfare reform and tax reform are also urgently needed. Many people in Ireland with college degrees and good jobs can't afford to buy a home or have a family due to the extortionate cost of housing and childcare. If they get a raise or a bonus that could help them, they must hand over 52% of it to the state to fund the so-called "fair society" that the politicians are always warbling on about.

And then there are the welfare dependents, for whom every additional baby adds to the household income and moves the family up the local authority housing list -- so they have every incentive to have big families so that they can get more income and free houses.

A "fair society" is not one where all the benefits go to those who contribute nothing. That's a profoundly unfair society. But things won't change until the majority of Irish people wake up and realize that.

Wonder if we could sticky this post.
And e-mail it to all the politicians in the country because they have completely forgotten what is a "fair society" in Ireland. Maybe they'd develop a spine in response to the truth.
And mail it as a letter to RTE and to the other so-called media outlets in the country, who never reported this aspect of the Margaret Cash story.

Vizzy

end of the road wrote: »

they are, but they are likely to do a lot more of it if there were no wellfare payments.

So, you think that it is acceptable to continue to pay exorbitant welfare just in case they would get involved in criminal behaviour if it was reduced ?


Must try that when I am seeking my next pay increase - "Pay me more or I will rob everything in sight"

end of the road

Vizzy wrote: »

So, you think that it is acceptable to continue to pay exorbitant welfare just in case they would get involved in criminal behaviour if it was reduced ?

if it costs less then dealing with their criminal behaviour, both monitary and socially, then yes

Grab All Association

end of the road wrote: »

they are, but they are likely to do a lot more of it if there were no wellfare payments.

Lobotomies and sterilisation would be a final solution to this. Psychiatric drugs to alter personality first though. Refusal to engage with social services to change your life around then given a lobotomy. It's the only way to stop the scumbags.
Mental homes are already there and serve better as prisons than for health services.
The scum that stole the Chinese mans stuff on the route x12 I mentioned a few months ago they did so knowing it was caught on CCTV by Bus Éireann. They lack the ability to think about the consequences of their actions. It's like the scorpion and the tortoise.

suicide_circus

Grab All Association wrote: »

Lobotomies and sterilisation would be a final solution to this. Psychiatric drugs to alter personality first though. Refusal to engage with social services to change your life around then given a lobotomy. It's the only way to stop the scumbags.

Careful now...

Igotadose

end of the road wrote: »

if it costs less then dealing with their criminal behaviour, both monitary and socially, then yes

Where do you draw the line? Lots of money is spent by the government on things that could be economized on. Measuring the cost of criminal behavior is nigh-on impossible - what's the cost to the victim?

suicide_circus

there is no point going after Ms Cash at this stage, she is unemployable and is essentially a toddler - completely dependant on mammy (the state) for every aspect of her needs and wants.

what does need to happen however is that her way of life will not be viable for her children. if we allow them to become as completely inept and permanently infantilised as their mother then we will have let them down and robbed them of their chance to live full lives. I do not want my kids paying for Ms Cash's kids, that would be an utter social failure.

Spanish Eyes

email your friendly Minister for Social Protection. I have.

No point in wittering on here (although it can be cathartic) without putting our views across to those who actually have some power to change things.

The irony in all this is that FG is the more right of Centre in politics but they may as well be PBP. They are so reliant on Indos and FF to keep themselves afloat that they will do anything.

Sometimes (despite the despicable CJH) I think an overall majority could be a good thing. Even for a term of Government. But it ain't going to happen any time soon. So the lefties have it in the bag even though most of them were not elected. Bullhorn socialists are running this country now and the working/contributing person has no voice anymore.

To the barricades mes amis!

end of the road

Grab All Association wrote: »

Lobotomies and sterilisation would be a final solution to this. Psychiatric drugs to alter personality first though. Refusal to engage with social services to change your life around then given a lobotomy. It's the only way to stop the scumbags.
Mental homes are already there and serve better as prisons than for health services.
The scum that stole the Chinese mans stuff on the route x12 I mentioned a few months ago they did so knowing it was caught on CCTV by Bus Éireann. They lack the ability to think about the consequences of their actions. It's like the scorpion and the tortoise.

well none of that is going to happen, and rightly so. it would quite likely breach human rights law, given a lot of these people technically won't have an actual mental illness. also, mental institutions work better as mental institutions, as they serve very different purposes to prisons, if people commit crime then they should be in prison, something that hasn't anything to do with wellfare as such. however if wellfare also helps reduce criminality, then paying it will quite likely work out cheaper then the alternative of more criminality and more prisons.
the scum that stole from the chinese chap likely do know about the consiquences but don't care.

suicide_circus wrote: »

there is no point going after Ms Cash at this stage, she is unemployable and is essentially a toddler - completely dependant on mammy (the state) for every aspect of her needs and wants.

what does need to happen however is that her way of life will not be viable for her children. if we allow them to become as completely inept and permanently infantilised as their mother then we will have let them down and robbed them of their chance to live full lives. I do not want my kids paying for Ms Cash's kids, that would be an utter social failure.

indeed and that is why we need to reform the education service, and fund all the authorities and services properly, so that her kids will get an education, and be shown the value of work and the benefits it does bring. this means changing the minimum age for staying in education to 18 from 16, and insuring the authorities can check up on all people who are not sending their children to school, with (if needs be) someone to actually take the children 2 and from school and to insure they stay there.
what we want won't be achieved by slashing wellfare or jailing or whatever. it will only be achieved through education and proper funding of services.

Victor Meldrew

What I want to know is who is accountable for ensuring all kids who are not mentally handicapped leave school literate, enumerate and skilled enough to be further educated or trained into being employable adults.

The state failed in and around 2006 to keep Margaret in school, and to protect her from her feckless culture. Handwringng piety of social inclusion has delivered anything but.

Attitudes are hardening against fecklessness.

Children's allowance should be struck off for parents who don't send their kids to school.

It is pathetic that there are traveller families who are only now sending their kids to secondary school. I know of one such case. A girl, now in second year is the first of her family to go to secondary school.

The rest were thrown on the economic and social scrap heap.

As always, it is the traveller men who drive this due to their inadequacy and "pride".

Sacrificing their children lest they become independent. The polar opposite of what normal people do.

Paulzx

end of the road wrote: »

indeed and that is why we need to reform the education service, and fund all the authorities and services properly, so that her kids will get an education, and be shown the value of work and the benefits it does bring

The problem is that the kids are in school and under the influence of people that teach productive values to them for approx 5 hours per day.

The other 19 hours per day are spent under the influence of people (their parents) that set an example that it is ok to freeload and spend your whole existance expecting the state to pay for your every need.

The kids don't stand a chance. The problem is inter generational and is never going to stop until we as a society refuse to support someones choice not to contribute back into society

Vizzy

end of the road wrote: »

however if wellfare also helps reduce criminality, then paying it will quite likely work out cheaper then the alternative of more criminality and more prisons.

And here we have it folks, the more criminality from people, the more we should pay them.

"Your honour, my client agrees that he will desist from criminality once he receives €X extra in welfare, BUT, he reserves the right to go back to crime once he is unhappy with the amount. What do you think your honour ?"


Judge - "seems fair".


Jesus, are you for real ?

2011

end of the road wrote: »

if it costs less then dealing with their criminal behaviour, both monitary and socially, then yes

So we should pay people not to commit crime?
Can everyone avail of this??

That is the most ridiculous statement I have seen you post and it has had some stiff competition.