Alex Jones content removed from Facebook, Youtube, Apple

dr.fuzzenstein

OK, time to use the old right wing defence.
Ahem:
"Those companies have done nothing illegal"
Get out of that one.

dr.fuzzenstein

And all this talk about "THERE WILL BE CIVIL WAR!"
Bull! sh*t!
There may be, at a push, a few deranged, inbred hillbillies with guns.
I wonder how they will fare against the combined might of police, civil defense and army?
Ooh, could be close!

tedpan

I can't believe he's only 44 years old. Truly shocking

Jelle1880

batgoat wrote: »

Yep, it's rubbish to say he doesn't radicalise. His key demographic are people who view their to be a war between the government and people. He's encouraged stockpiling of weapons and has claimed the government is planning genocides. He's also encouraged his audience to terrorise families of massacres. Seems like a pretty clear intent to radicalise and appeal to Ruby Ridge types.

And he was a prominent voice in the whole Pizzagate ****storm, indirectly leading to the shooting up of a Comet Ping Pong place in Washington DC. It took a potential lawsuit to have him apologise to the owner of the place.

manual_man

The real truth here is that the explicit content deemed to be hateful and abusive could be very easily removed from any of the platforms (as per their terms of use). It's the BLANKET banning of all content of any person (in this case Jones) which is totalitarian and anti freedom of speech which has so many people worried that it is simply censoring someone that certain people view as a (probably political?) threat. It's pathetic. I hope these platforms backtrack and re-commit to freedom of speech, while deleting PARTICULAR instances that clearly contravene their terms of service. Otherwise, hey, i guess it will be their death knell as more people are fighting against this nonsense. So long as alternate platforms can compete fairly(gaining exposure) to fill the gap, then everything can be fine. The deep worry is the monopoly on information that is held by certain tech companies gets to decide what and who gets exposure. I really hope you're right and i'm over-reacting, but honestly i can't see the precedent of BLANKET banning (by powerful tech companies which dominate the distribution of information) as leading to ANYTHING good, UNLESS of course we fight against it.

dr.fuzzenstein

Jelle1880 wrote: »

And he was a prominent voice in the whole Pizzagate ****storm, indirectly leading to the shooting up of a Comet Ping Pong place in Washington DC. It took a potential lawsuit to have him apologise to the owner of the place.

Judging by pizzagate, gamergate, Q anon and Alex Jones about 20% of people in the US are mentally ill to the point where they should nearly be locked up.
We're seeing an entire country go batsh*t insane here.

Wibbs

batgoat wrote: »

Yep, it's rubbish to say he doesn't radicalise. His key demographic are people who view their to be a war between the government and people. He's encouraged stockpiling of weapons and has claimed the government is planning genocides. He's also encouraged his audience to terrorise families of massacres. Seems like a pretty clear intent to radicalise and appeal to Ruby Ridge types.

+1000. And the guy was lining his own pockets with this dangerous shite. I'm dubious about censorship and a blanket ban, but of the pantheon of media trolls he is well up in the ranking.

Will I Am Not

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Judging by pizzagate, gamergate, Q anon and Alex Jones about 20% of people in the US are mentally ill to the point where they should nearly be locked up.
We're seeing an entire country go batsh*t insane here.

A guy I know bet me €5000 that both Obama and Hilary would be locked up by Christmas :pac:

dr.fuzzenstein

Will I Am Not wrote: »

A guy I know bet me €5000 that both Obama and Hilary would be locked up by Christmas :pac:

What will you do with the money?

MeTheMan

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Judging by pizzagate, gamergate, Q anon and Alex Jones about 20% of people in the US are mentally ill to the point where they should nearly be locked up.
We're seeing an entire country go batsh*t insane here.

Have a look at 'Who is America' on Channel 4 on Mondays. I'd be upping the 20% a bit.

Dohnjoe

Will I Am Not wrote: »

A guy I know bet me €5000 that both Obama and Hilary would be locked up by Christmas :pac:

Tell me you took it

and a side-bet on the current president being locked up by xmas

Will I Am Not

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

What will you do with the money?

Probably pay for a sky writer to fly over his house with personalised chemtrail messages.

Will I Am Not

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Tell me you took it

and a side-bet on the current president being locked up by xmas

Of course I did

Grayson

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Judging by pizzagate, gamergate, Q anon and Alex Jones about 20% of people in the US are mentally ill to the point where they should nearly be locked up.
We're seeing an entire country go batsh*t insane here.

When you consider how many don't believe in global warming or evolution it's a bit nuts. There seems to be an alternative counter culture there which is anti fact and anti reality. You see major right wing figures refer to things like gay marriage as a organised campaign to destroy families.
And people buy into this ****. Not everyone but enough people believe there's a campaign to stop them practicing their religion and to destroy their lives.

Captain Obvious

Jelle1880 wrote: »

For what it's worth, I'm loving his meltdown.

https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/1026508918934171648

Not sure what idea of God he is thinking of though.

Remember, this is a guy who has influence over the President of the USA.

Grayson

Grayson wrote: »

When you consider how many don't believe in global warming or evolution it's a bit nuts.

I believe in climate change , it's been changing since the dawn of time and will always change, the majority of the worlds climatologists may agree with each other but they represent a fraction of all other scientists out there.

Fact is when you depend on computer models you must accept a huge margin of error, junk data in, junk data out. It's easy to make wild headline grabbing claims that in 100 years the earth will be on fire etc when no one will be around to see it.

Some people have been killed in the heatwave this year but the media won't highlight the hundreds or more killed in the winter in Europe !

If people accept that climate change is caused by man then don't drive, burn coal, heat your home and disconnect your electricity and or embrace Nuclear power and when you're finished all that plant forest, Ireland is one of the most deforested lands in the European continent if not the most. We should plant real hardwood forest trees love co2 and so do plants and animals.

Ulysses Gaze

Taytoland

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It goes against to essence of free speech. If you love him, that's your argument. If you hate him, you say it's a private platform.

Personally, I dislike him and think he's a wanker, but I don't think he should be taken off services which are pretty much public utilities at this point.


If Putin bought YouTube and promoted this stuff, people who supported the removal of Jones would implode and their argument would quickly change.

This I agree with. More I think about it more I think he shouldn't be banned.

Taytoland

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Remember, this is a guy who has influence over the President of the USA.

No one has influence over Trump. He wings it everyday because he's not a politician and can't believe he is President. The fact he is President says more about US and its people and system than anything else.

Dohnjoe

Deleted User wrote: »

I believe in climate change , it's been changing since the dawn of time and will always change, the majority of the worlds climatologists may agree with each other but they represent a fraction of all other scientists out there.

jesus christ

off-topic, we gouged a fairly sizeable hole in the the Ozone, thankfully the internet didn't really exist back then so loons and denialists couldn't group together to deny it

We are currently ****ing up the environment, polluting the air, clogging the oceans with plastic - all of which is avoidable. Regardless of people's mental beliefs we shouldn't be doing it anyway. Heaven forbid we build a better world with renewable energy, cleaner air and less crap going into the atmosphere

Back to Jones - he feeds off people with low critical thinking skills and whilst we may dismiss him as "whacky", he has millions of easily persuaded and manipulated followers

Call Me Jimmy

mcmoustache wrote: »

If the young turks is threatening people and slandering the parents of shooting victims, give them the boot. The rules should be blind to politics.






There's plenty of hate on the left, it just seems to be more on the fringes. I pointed out some anti-white racism earlier in the thread so it's definitely out there. There's also leftist anti-semitism, not to be confused with anti-zionism.



There's a small problem with your desire to use statistics, though. If a social media company decides to get nazis and Klan members off their networks, the purge will overwhelmingly affect conservatives in the US. If they want to get rid of antisemitism, it'll be the same although it will also affect Muslims to a very high degree over here in europe. Some assholish behaviour is definitely carried out more by US conservatives than the crusties on the other end of the spectrum.

Fair enough, and I pointed out the young turks are in violation of hate speech policies after a 2 second google - they have a video celebrating the decline in population of white christians with a title 'Hey White Christians Your Time Is Almost Up!!!'. My point is not that I want them to be banned, but Alex was banned for hate speech if someone wanted the young turks banned either the company itself (say they're democratic socialist candidate was shaping up well for an election) or from outside pressure after conservative activism there would be justification to ban them.

The policies are bull****, have a read and you should be able to see that. Not to mention the weird scenario where all these companies happened to ban him in unison and none of them mentioning Sandy Hook, which most people cite as their justification. Even Ana and Cenk realise that Hate Speech policies for these platforms are more trouble than they're worth and see that it will come back round to them, so they cite things for which he wasn't banned for. Kyle from Secular talk has come out pretty strongly against it too.

Regarding statistics, they can be skewed but you've got some pretty blatant cases recently where the benefit of the doubt is giving to people on the left and people on the right are immediately banned, or Candace Owens, twitter made a 'mistake' by suspending her channel for posting the same as Jeong. I'm surprised the hundred original tweets by Jeong over a number of years never once were 'mistaken' for an offence or breach.

Just all too fishy for me. EDIT: Like what did he do to LinkedIn? Post hateful CVs?

Taytoland

If someone made a video title called "Hey brown Muslims, your time is almost up" people would say it is hate speech and would be outraged by it. So yes, if that Young Turks title is correct then following the logical conclusion of Alex Jones being banned then so should the Young Turks.

ancapailldorcha

Has anyone actually watched the video?

Call Me Jimmy

Taytoland wrote: »

If someone made a video title called "Hey brown Muslims, your time is almost up" people would say it is hate speech and would be outraged by it. So yes, if that Young Turks title is correct then following the logical conclusion of Alex Jones being banned then so should the Young Turks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhoIeAnUTZA&t=3s

includes Cenk doing a song and dance.

Venom

Wibbs wrote: »

+1000. And the guy was lining his own pockets with this dangerous shite. I'm dubious about censorship and a blanket ban, but of the pantheon of media trolls he is well up in the ranking.

Agreed but how far is too far when it comes to banning voices from the internet and at what point does it become a witchhunt?


The Sandyhook garbage he spouted was vile but also a couple of years ago, so why did so many platforms all acting within 12 hours of each other decide to pull the plug on him now and not back then? Why not just remove the content that breaks the super vague terms and conditions these platforms have instead of a total ban?



Why has Linkedin removed his account? The other platforms have some credibility for individually killing his account but Linkedin? Jones must have had one seriously outrageous CV to justify that.

Dohnjoe

Venom wrote: »

Agreed but how far is too far when it comes to banning voices from the internet and at what point does it become a witchhunt?

The platforms took their own decisions to ban or limit him, Boards bans people every day. There are common sense rules to using every platform, e.g. Twitter have decided he hasn't broken any of their rules yet so haven't kicked him off. His website is still available to view.

Call Me Jimmy

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The platforms took their own decisions to ban or limit him, Boards bans people every day. There are common sense rules to using every platform, e.g. Twitter have decided he hasn't broken any of their rules yet so haven't kicked him off. His website is still available to view.

So what rules did he break on LinkedIn? None? So it was in 'solidarity'? So people with a criminal record should be banned from LinkedIn, lose their ability to get a job? The point is the principles, and you can talk about the morality / intelligence of actions without having to say 'it's their right, therefore it's right'. You seem to think it's just Alex, but we will see. If you've watched how mob culture has evolved on the internet I don't know how you could think this boogey man is the end of it and it's always going to be something you agree with.

riffmongous

It does look a bit like a globalist conspiracy ironically.. but the solution? Wake up, get yourself angry, and.. go buy some super male vitality pills?

http://www.infowarsshop.com/Super-Male-Vitality-_p_1227.html

I'm not sure which is crazier, that he actually believes what he comes out with, or that he peddles his nonsense so he can sell dick pills to nutjobs

Call Me Jimmy

riffmongous wrote: »

It does look a bit like a globalist conspiracy ironically.. but the solution? Wake up, get yourself angry, and.. go buy some super male vitality pills?

http://www.infowarsshop.com/Super-Male-Vitality-_p_1227.html

I'm not sure which is crazier, that he actually believes what he comes out with, or that he peddles his nonsense so he can sell dick pills to nutjobs

Aye, but funnily enough the dick pills are the only way to guarantee he can still stay in business. Maybe paypal will have a moral duty to cancel his account.

Agent Smith

super_furry wrote: »

The gas thing about Alex Jones is that it's all a performance. He knows that the horrible things he's saying are lies, he knows that it's all nonsense but his audience eats it all up, he sells snake-oil food supplements that claim they'll improve your IQ and he's become a multi-millionaire off the back of it all.

Comrade.....