ToBeFrank123 wrote: » Well Dots, you could contact the GAA about it, but they also respond with the same old tired easily disapproved bull**** arguments, John Horan the latest in recent days. Its like they are singing off the same hymn sheet. Basically nothing to see here, Dublin's dominance only temporary, only a matter of time before Meath or Kildare come back, think of the Dublin kids won't ya, others need to get their house in order, Dublin's volunteers are better than everyone else's volunteers, blah blah blah. Going through the GAA is also a waste of time. Pundits get laughed at when they mention wildly disproportionate funding or called jealous. GAA delegates are sheep only interested in expenses, free pints and tickets. They hardly have the eloquence to describe the problem and most are puppets of GAA HQ. I do agree with people protesting though, with their feet by boycotting from next year on the championship. The evidence is many people are doing that already. Maybe when a Leinster final is played on front of 20,000 in a couple of years, the GAA might wake up. Even then I'm not sure.
Dots1982 wrote: » So why bother argue with Dublin fans if we all know what they are going to say? The same old tired easily disapproved bull**** arguments. There are better ways of combatting the issue then on here.
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » do agree with people protesting though, with their feet by boycotting from next year on the championship. The evidence is many people are doing that already. Maybe when a Leinster final is played on front of 20,000 in a couple of years, the GAA might wake up. Even then I'm not sure.
gaffer91 wrote: » So I'm not sure things can be combated now- it's likely already too late. I imagine the game will wither away at inter county level over the next few years. .
Dots1982 wrote: » The games won’t be allowed wither away. Too many millions at stake. The game will be radically restructured over the coming decade. The intercounty structure is completely outdated. Kildare can’t beat Dublin, Laois can’t beat kildare, Wexford can’t beat Laois. We know all the above and it’s never going to change. Time to restructure.
Farawayhome wrote: » Kildare beat Dublin in 1998, 2000, Laois beat Kildare in 2003, Wexford beat Laois in 2008. This was the way it was. The Leinster championship used to be wide open, as were other provincial championships. 21 different counties won a provincial since 1992. The aim should be to get back to this position. Back to where the game was fair and everyone competed equally.
Dots1982 wrote: » And how do you propose we go to that era?
gaffer91 wrote: » @ Arielatom- I've no intention of responding in some endless quote war debate to your poorly formatted, ridiculous post. It's almost comical that you immediately jumped straight back in with the usual nonsense in response to my post criticising the usual nonsense. Every piece of your post has already been debunked- feel free to read back through this thread and others, my posting history and other poster's, to help get a grasp on the issues. Dublin have enjoyed, and continue to enjoy unfair funding advantages (among other advantages). This funding adds up to millions of euro of extra money to spend on the GAA in Dublin relative to other counties. With this money, they are able to enjoy far more success than they otherwise would, and this success comes at the expense of every other county. This unfair funding advantage should be eliminated or the All Ireland series will become like the Leinster Championship, and large swathes of the population will lose interest in the sport. This is the crux of the matter. Oh I agree, arguing with them is pointless- may as well be talking to the wall. I'm quite pessimistic about the future of the GAA though- even if the GAA got their act together and rectified Dublin's unfair advantages overnight (which, let's be honest, is never going to happen), they have been financially doped so successfully they will enjoy the advantages for years to come. Again, I'd liken it to a sprinter or boxer who dopes at the start of his career with a few cycles of steroids and enjoys the benefits of this for his entire career. So I'm not sure things can be combated now- it's likely already too late. I imagine the game will wither away at inter county level over the next few years. I'll probably watch Dublin see out the inevitable five in a row myself and then stop attending and watching, I'm sure many others will be the same. It's sad really though- I always imagined a team winning five in a row would be an awesome group of players who every fan could respect on some level, even if they weren't your own county. Not some financially doped juggernaut with every advantage under the sun and therefore a big asterisk beside their victories.
Dots1982 wrote: » MD McAuley would be an example of a successful Dublin player who doesn’t have many of the traditional skills. Not many others.
Edgware wrote: » Thats a low dig
Dots1982 wrote: » Eamon Callaghan who played for Kildare up until last year said the following on Sunday: Probably at the stage now where teams should boycott the Leinster championship. It’s a joke. County boards are as much to blame as @officialgaa for allowing this to happen.
Bonniedog wrote: » Kildare have won two Leinsters in the last 63 years. And it's Dublin's fault. Right ……………..
Farawayhome wrote: » Dots1982 wrote: » The games won’t be allowed wither away. Too many millions at stake. The game will be radically restructured over the coming decade. The intercounty structure is completely outdated. Kildare can’t beat Dublin, Laois can’t beat kildare, Wexford can’t beat Laois. We know all the above and it’s never going to change. Time to restructure. Kildare beat Dublin in 1998, 2000, Laois beat Kildare in 2003, Wexford beat Laois in 2008. This was the way it was. The Leinster championship used to be wide open, as were other provincial championships. 21 different counties won a provincial since 1992. The aim should be to get back to this position. Back to where the game was fair and everyone competed equally.
Bonniedog wrote: » Did you ever consider taking up inspirational speaking? Or Cian O'Neill might take you on as team psychologist.
naughtb4 wrote: » So how do we fix Munster? How do we make all games competitive?
Dots1982 wrote: » naughtb4 wrote: » So how do we fix Munster? How do we make all games competitive? Cork Kerry amalgamation Tipp, Clare, Waterford limerick amalgamation.
naughtb4 wrote: » Was actually asking of the poster responding to you Provinces have always been uneven. As u said Waterford don't beat Kerry, Leitrim don't beat Galway etc. How far does the need to be fair go?
Dots1982 wrote: » naughtb4 wrote: » Was actually asking of the poster responding to you Provinces have always been uneven. As u said Waterford don't beat Kerry, Leitrim don't beat Galway etc. How far does the need to be fair go? It’s a discussion forum, deal with it. Ideally you need 30 men on a field that are able to compete with each other. You certainly can’t go ahead with the present situation in Leinster where it’s a no contest. That should be obvious to everyone even from Dublin surely.
naughtb4 wrote: » Yeah that aggressive tone is the way to win an argument well done. We are all happy to press ahead with Munster where it's the same
Dots1982 wrote: » naughtb4 wrote: » Yeah that aggressive tone is the way to win an argument well done. We are all happy to press ahead with Munster where it's the same Apologies, it was needlessly aggressive. You are going to divert to Munster? It’s a very different situation or not? What do you think?
naughtb4 wrote: » It depends on what angle. People speak of a need for people to compete but there are imbalances all over be it population, playing numbers, money etc. This need to be fair only seems to exist at the top end and not in getting a Sligo up a level. Is the problem one team is dominating a province or that's it's a new thing (and Dublin?) Personally I think a big push is needed in the commuter belt towns from a funding perspective and getting an identity, so many ex dubs living in Kildare etc.
Farawayhome wrote: » You know what I propose. No point repeating it all again just the three main points. - Split Dublin into 4 - Give every county appropriate funding to implement coaching and development programs overseen by paid officials who have standards and targets they must reach - Put a limit on the amount spent on inter county team preparations Obviously, there's a lot more detail but this gives a short overview.
StupidLikeAFox wrote: » For one, that wasn't the point he was making and you know it. Two, Kildare and others in Leinster were competing with Dublin up until relatively recently. People wouldn't care if Dublin were winning all these Leinster's and the matches were competitive. People wouldn't even care if Dublin were steamrolling them off their own back. It's just the fact that they are so far ahead and have received a huge leg up from the gaa to get there that is pissing people off
Bonniedog wrote: » Kildare have beaten Dublin in four Leinster finals since 1884. Clare have beaten Kerry in one. Leitrim and Sligo have similar stats with Galway and Mayo. Fermanagh have never won Ulster. That's the way things are. What can you do?
Bonniedog wrote: » Well, I'm certain that Dublin will provide some interesting games later in the Summer. Just as certain as I am that you won't like to see them win those games either.
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