So Michael D IS running again!

Tell me how

Edward M wrote: »

I'm not depressed one bit by it at all.
I'm concerned for sure, but not much will change because of any of it.
I'd call it a challenging time, a time where there is change of what's accepted as the norms, norms that have allowed the situations we have to develop to where they are.

What about the changes I highlighted would give you confidence that things are going to get better. Are you aware of the environmental legislation policies which Trump has rowed back on and how Bolsanaro has said they need to utilise their rich natural resources more.

If the change people are looking for is completely inward and short term focused then that is what is so depressing.

Edward M wrote: »

Everything you mentioned is due to failed policies and govts and huge corps heedless of citizens needs.
Too much sucking on working class people trying to survive and finding it hard and their taxes being ate up by minorities, like travellers, as highlighted by Casey.

These two sentences seem to contradict each other. In one, you say this is partly because of corporations heedless of citizens needs and in the next that minorities (like travellers) are eating up everyone's taxes.

Dia1988

Instead of spending 8.1 million on Lear jets, dog grooming, 250k salary, 315k unvouched expenses..........

SNIP. Stop with the nonsense please.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/miggle-d-giggles--3#/

James Brown

Edward M wrote: »

I'm not depressed one bit by it at all.
I'm concerned for sure, but not much will change because of any of it.
I'd call it a challenging time, a time where there is change of what's accepted as the norms, norms that have allowed the situations we have to develop to where they are.
Everything you mentioned is due to failed policies and govts and huge corps heedless of citizens needs.
Too much sucking on working class people trying to survive and finding it hard and their taxes being ate up by minoritys, like travellers, as highlighted by Casey.
People are looking for change.

I would put minorities and Travelers way down the list below sweet deals, bad deals and going easy tax wise on vulture funds, Russian financial concerns and hotel bills. As you pointed out, I would suggest bad policy directly leads to a bigger tax spend on assistance to people, working included.

I see Michael D. wants the inauguration postponed by a few hours because of the remembrance ceremonies. Nice gesture but it's hardly a nationally important thing, (the war remembrance).

FrancieBrady

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I would put minorities and Travelers way down the list below sweet deals, bad deals and going easy tax wise on vulture funds, Russian financial concerns and hotel bills. As you pointed out, I would suggest bad policy directly leads to a bigger tax spend on assistance to people, working included.

Have to agree Matt. Leo and the rest must be secretly delighted that Casey has become the Pied Piper for the rant generation. A few months of distraction as he leads them on a merry dance and then we will move on to something else.

An Ciarraioch

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Edward M wrote: »

I'm not depressed one bit by it at all.
I'm concerned for sure, but not much will change because of any of it.
I'd call it a challenging time, a time where there is change of what's accepted as the norms, norms that have allowed the situations we have to develop to where they are.
Everything you mentioned is due to failed policies and govts and huge corps heedless of citizens needs.
Too much sucking on working class people trying to survive and finding it hard and their taxes being ate up by minoritys, like travellers, as highlighted by Casey.
People are looking for change.

I would put minorities and Travelers way down the list below sweet deals, bad deals and going easy tax wise on vulture funds, Russian financial concerns and hotel bills. As you pointed out, I would suggest bad policy directly leads to a bigger tax spend on assistance to people, working included.

I see Michael D. wants the inauguration postponed by a few hours because of the remembrance ceremonies. Nice gesture but it's hardly a nationally important thing, (the war remembrance).

In fairness, 200,000 people from both North and South served during WWI, so it would be fitting for the President to mark the anniversary, whether in France or here.

James Brown

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

In fairness, 200,000 people from both North and South served during WWI, so it would be fitting for the President to mark the anniversary, whether in France or here.

It's nice to acknowledge it and I do feel for any soldier who died believing they were serving their fellow country men and women. Unfortunately this event is often hijacked toward British jingoism. It leaves a bad taste with me to honour anything associated with the British army considering their reputation. Such remembrance ceremonies should only consist of politicians and royalty apologising to the general public, IMO. I'm sure Leo will be tripping over in his poppy socks to get some photo ops.

richiepurgas

Matt Barrett wrote: »

It's nice to acknowledge it and I do feel for any soldier who died believing they were serving their fellow county men and women. Unfortunately this event is often hijacked toward British jingoism. It leaves a bad taste with me to honour anything associated with the British army considering their reputation. Such remembrance ceremonies should only consist of politicians and royalty apologising to the general public, IMO. I'm sure Leo will be tripping over in his poppy socks to get some photo ops.

From what I've seen (very little in reality), the Irish ceremony is quite dignified and not at all jingoistic. In the UK, however, it seems to be part of an army recruitment drive, looking for more people to visit all over the world and kill the natives.

Adamcp898

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I see Michael D. wants the inauguration postponed by a few hours because of the remembrance ceremonies. Nice gesture but it's hardly a nationally important thing, (the war remembrance).

Are you serious?

Matt Barrett wrote: »

It's nice to acknowledge it and I do feel for any soldier who died believing they were serving their fellow country men and women. Unfortunately this event is often hijacked toward British jingoism. It leaves a bad taste with me to honour anything associated with the British army considering their reputation. Such remembrance ceremonies should only consist of politicians and royalty apologising to the general public, IMO. I'm sure Leo will be tripping over in his poppy socks to get some photo ops.

Given this country's chequered past in allowing sitting Presidents to travel even as far as St. Patrick's Cathedral to take part in Armistice day commemorations, I'm sure many more Irish people see the outward rejection of anything to do with the Great War as typical Republican jingoism.


I'm happy Micheal D has taken steps like this to show our country's willingness to take part in sensible commemorations such as this one and move on from the small-mindedness of the past which prevented us from mature reflection.

Much more of it needed in the next 7 years too with what's coming down the line in terms of commemorations and celebration and certainly not something I would've been confident in any of the other 'Presidential' hopefuls being capable of.

Danzy

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Are you serious?



Given this country's chequered past in allowing sitting Presidents to travel even as far as St. Patrick's Cathedral to take part in Armistice day commemorations, I'm sure many more Irish people see the outward rejection of anything to do with the Great War as typical Republican jingoism.


I'm happy Micheal D has taken steps like this to show our country's willingness to take part in sensible commemorations such as this one and move on from the small-mindedness of the past which prevented us from mature reflection.

Much more of it needed in the next 7 years too with what's coming down the line in terms of commemorations and celebration and certainly not something I would've been confident in any of the other 'Presidential' hopefuls being capable of.

Most don't care either way about the great war.

In Unionist communities in the North it is but for 80% of the population, it is a non runner for good or bad.

If it wasn't mentioned on the news most would have no idea. It just isn't something that matters to most people.

Cork Boy 53

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I would put minorities and Travelers way down the list below sweet deals, bad deals and going easy tax wise on vulture funds, Russian financial concerns and hotel bills. As you pointed out, I would suggest bad policy directly leads to a bigger tax spend on assistance to people, working included.

I see Michael D. wants the inauguration postponed by a few hours because of the remembrance ceremonies. Nice gesture but it's hardly a nationally important thing, (the war remembrance).

Michael D has got his wish on this. The inauguration ceremony will start at 6pm on 11th November after the commemoration at 11 am that morning. Whether he will be in Dublin or in France for the remembrance ceremonies has not been announced yet. For someone like me who had 2 great uncles die in WWI, it will be an important event.

Cork Boy 53

Danzy wrote: »

Most don't care either way about the great war.

In Unionist communities in the North it is but for 80% of the population, it is a non runner for good or bad.

If it wasn't mentioned on the news most would have no idea. It just isn't something that matters to most people.

Not true for me personally.

AGC

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Michael D has got his wish on this. The inauguration ceremony will start at 6pm on 11th November after the commemoration at 11 am that morning. Whether he will be in Dublin or in France for the remembrance ceremonies has not been announced yet. For someone like me who had 2 great uncles die in WWI, it will be an important event.

Dublin.

Statement said it will give government ministers chance to go to ceremonies abroad

Water John

The numbers that fought and died in WW1 from Ireland was massive. Many not from the Unionist side. All happened was in political discourse it was overshadowed by the War of Ind. Those who gave their lives were largely wiped from public memory but their families remember them.

hotmail.com

The 6.1 News on RTE will be affected the most by this move.

richiepurgas

Will they say the Angelus first at the ceremony ?

James Brown

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Michael D has got his wish on this. The inauguration ceremony will start at 6pm on 11th November after the commemoration at 11 am that morning. Whether he will be in Dublin or in France for the remembrance ceremonies has not been announced yet. For someone like me who had 2 great uncles die in WWI, it will be an important event.

Respect for the dead is due but the ceremony is often hijacked by British nationalism. That's my issue with the whole event, not the soldiers who died. It's generally British propaganda. As I say, the Royals and politicians should be begging forgiveness on behalf of the institutions they represent at such events.

Cork Boy 53

richiepurgas wrote: »

Will they say the Angelus first at the ceremony ?

No though it was a facetious question anyway.

marieholmfan

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I would put minorities and Travelers way down the list below sweet deals, bad deals and going easy tax wise on vulture funds, Russian financial concerns and hotel bills. As you pointed out, I would suggest bad policy directly leads to a bigger tax spend on assistance to people, working included.

I see Michael D. wants the inauguration postponed by a few hours because of the remembrance ceremonies. Nice gesture but it's hardly a nationally important thing, (the war remembrance).

Michael D has got his wish on this. The inauguration ceremony will start at 6pm on 11th November after the commemoration at 11 am that morning. Whether he will be in Dublin or in France for the remembrance ceremonies has not been announced yet. For someone like me who had 2 great uncles die in WWI, it will be an important event.

did you know them well?

Hotblack Desiato

marieholmfan wrote: »

did you know them well?

Would you say the same to a 1916 relative?

ELM327

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Would you say the same to a 1916 relative?

1916 was an Irish war for independence
Anyone who died that was Irish in WW1 did so while being a mercenary for the queen's shilling and not fighting for their country for honour. You cannot compare the two.

B0jangles

ELM327 wrote: »

1916 was an Irish war for independence
Anyone who died that was Irish in WW1 did so while being a mercenary for the queen's shilling and not fighting for their country for honour. You cannot compare the two.

Fúck. You.

My great-uncle ran away from home and joined the british army to get away from a lifetime of trying to scratch a living out of farming in a bog. He died no-one knows where, probably somewhere in Turkey - a little lost 16 year old irish boy, more than 100 years ago.

He deserves to be remembered, they all deserve to be remembered.

Tell me how

ELM327 wrote:

1916 was an Irish war for independence Anyone who died that was Irish in WW1 did so while being a mercenary for the queen's shilling and not fighting for their country for honour. You cannot compare the two.

That is an incredibly ignorant point.
Shameful in fact.

You should be embarrassed to presume you know the motivations of tens of thousands of people fighting in a war 100 years ago.

Cork Boy 53

marieholmfan wrote: »

did you know them well?

Absolutely ignorant comment.

MrMusician18

Tell me how wrote: »

That is an incredibly ignorant point.
Shameful in fact.

You should be embarrassed to presume you know the motivations of tens of thousands of people fighting in a war 100 years ago.

It would be fair to say that a lot of men, particularly Irish men, fought primarily to escape poverty.

Nothing shameful in acknowledging that point

ELM327

B0jangles wrote: »

Fúck. You.

My great-uncle ran away from home and joined the british army to get away from a lifetime of trying to scratch a living out of farming in a bog. He died no-one knows where, probably somewhere in Turkey - a little lost 16 year old irish boy, more than 100 years ago.

He deserves to be remembered, they all deserve to be remembered.

Swear words, would expect better in the politics forum


My grandfather and my grandfather in law both fought in WW1, grandfather survived and grandfather in law died.


We speak about it as a family of staunch republicans quite a bit, fully aware that he died at work and not serving his country. Big difference.

ELM327

Tell me how wrote: »

That is an incredibly ignorant point.
Shameful in fact.

You should be embarrassed to presume you know the motivations of tens of thousands of people fighting in a war 100 years ago.

What a mindless comment. How can you appropriate your opinions now to a land where Ireland was under British rule and the seeds of independence were being sown here, yet you want national remembrance and celebration for those that fought under the banner of our oppressors?


I think Mr Musician sums it up nicely

MrMusician18 wrote: »

It would be fair to say that a lot of men, particularly Irish men, fought primarily to escape poverty.

Nothing shameful in acknowledging that point

B0jangles

ELM327 wrote: »

Swear words, would expect better in the politics forum

My grandfather and my grandfather in law both fought in WW1, grandfather survived and grandfather in law died.

We speak about it as a family of staunch republicans quite a bit, fully aware that he died at work and not serving his country. Big difference.

Your opinion hardly merits a more considered rebuttal; it rarely does.

Chips Lovell

Mod Note

marieholmfan wrote: »

did you know them well?

ELM327 wrote: »

Anyone who died that was Irish in WW1 did so while being a mercenary for the queen's shilling and not fighting for their country for honour. You cannot compare the two.

B0jangles wrote: »

Fúck. You.

It should go without saying that comments such as these have no place on the forum and sanctions have been handed out to all concerned.

If you can't have a civil discussion, don't post here.

Thank you

Zubeneschamali

ELM327 wrote: »

How can you appropriate your opinions now to a land where Ireland was under British rule and the seeds of independence were being sown here, yet you want national remembrance and celebration for those that fought under the banner of our oppressors?

Redmond's Irish Parliamentary Party backed the British war effort to help a promised peaceful transition to Home Rule following WWI. Many who signed up would have been in favour of Home Rule.

Pearse and co. did not believe in a peaceful transition, they believed in watering the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots etc (i.e. they were nuts). They disobeyed orders from their own commanders in the Volunteers to start the always-doomed 1916 rebellion which most Irish people did not support at the time.

You are viewing events from 100 years later based on one sides version of events.

B0jangles

Not only did my great-uncle die in the Great War, his brother (my grandfather) fought in the War of Independence, the Civil War and helped build the new Irish Army in the decades that followed. He was remembered by his colleagues as one of the great officer trainers and when he died, he was given a 3-volley salute over his grave.

He had zero time for the windbaggery of armchair 'republicans'.