Tiered Football Championship Needed

homerjay2005

the problem is the likes of Dublin, Mayo and kerry are pulling so far ahead of the others, it then inbalances the entire championship.

reality it, with a few exceptions (monaghan v waterford for example) on any given day, almost all of the rest can compete against each other in a one off championship game.

maybe we can introduce a round robin (like the hurling) for the perceived weaker teams, to give them 3 games in early May before the knock out kicks off then.

maybe the top team in each group goes into their province semi final, 2nd team goes into 1/4 final, 3rd and 4th team goes into qualifiers etc.

rebel girl 15

DONTMATTER, do not post in this thread again about the Dublin funding - there is already a thread about that

This thread is simply to discuss the merits of a tiered football championship - I, other moderators and other posters are sick of this question about Dublin being dragged into every thread. There is a thread for that, keep it there.

Coillte_Bhoy

cms88 wrote: »

I wrote it

Of course, sorry, i misinterpreted your post

cms88

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Of course, sorry, i misinterpreted your post

Don't worry I won't hold it against you

cms88

So it seems the ''weaker'' counties have changed their minds and now want a tiered championship.

A good step, but to play devil's advocate what will happen if they change their mind again? Will it be kept or gotten rid of like the Tommy Murphy Cup?

OldMrBrennan83

cms88 wrote: »

So it seems the ''weaker'' counties have changed their minds and now want a tiered championship.

A good step, but to play devil's advocate what will happen if they change their mind again? Will it be kept or gotten rid of like the Tommy Murphy Cup?

Leave them in it and if they want don't want to compete then let them **** off. If they want to play in the upper tier then it's finally time to stop the 'weaker' poor mouthing and earn it.

cms88

Patww79 wrote: »

Leave them in it and if they want don't want to compete then let them **** off. If they want to play in the upper tier then it's finally time to stop the 'weaker' poor mouthing and earn it.

This is what I've thought about it. They had their chance with the Tommy Murphy Cup but refused to play in it.

I do agree that they should be given a second chance at it but that's it

Fr Tod Umptious

cms88 wrote: »

This is what I've thought about it. They had their chance with the Tommy Murphy Cup but refused to play in it.

I do agree that they should be given a second chance at it but that's it

The problem with the Tommy Murphy cup was that it was a consolation competition.

Get knocked out of the senior championship and them getting shipped down to this losers competition with noting much to play for only a title.

A proper Tommy Murphy cup should be a competition in its own right with a title and promotion or relegation at the end of it.

Stevecw

Some of the so called weaker counties seem to want it. Wicklow & Leitrim being the most vocal. The same Wicklow that after being gone from the All Ireland since June still found a way to drag their club championship out so long that their co champions ended up playing a co final replay and 1st round leinster game in 2 days!

They would be happy with a 2nd level tournament it seems as they accept mediocrity. The likes of Longford and more recently Carlow have aimed higher than that and have managed to defeat Div 1 & 2 teams in the championship. Longford beating Meath & Carlow beating Kildare this summer just showed what a nonsense the 2 tier thing is.

Why just because they might still be at Div 3 level should progressive teams like that be denied a qualifier game at home v a top team with a big crowd & maybe live on tv. For example Carlow v Monaghan last year a team still in Div 4 at the time v a Div 1 team, was live on Sky Sports and Carlow led with 10 mins to go.

With this new 2 tier, it would instead be a game away to Waterford or Wicklow on a Saturday afternoon probably with no coverage or media attention. How demoralizing would that be for a Carlow/Longford and other progressive counties.

cms88

Stevecw wrote: »

Some of the so called weaker counties seem to want it. Wicklow & Leitrim being the most vocal. The same Wicklow that after being gone from the All Ireland since June still found a way to drag their club championship out so long that their co champions ended up playing a co final replay and 1st round leinster game in 2 days!

They would be happy with a 2nd level tournament it seems as they accept mediocrity. The likes of Longford and more recently Carlow have aimed higher than that and have managed to defeat Div 1 & 2 teams in the championship. Longford beating Meath & Carlow beating Kildare this summer just showed what a nonsense the 2 tier thing is.

Why just because they might still be at Div 3 level should progressive teams like that be denied a qualifier game at home v a top team with a big crowd & maybe live on tv. For example Carlow v Monaghan last year a team still in Div 4 at the time v a Div 1 team, was live on Sky Sports and Carlow led with 10 mins to go.

With this new 2 tier, it would instead be a game away to Waterford or Wicklow on a Saturday afternoon probably with no coverage or media attention. How demoralizing would that be for a Carlow/Longford and other progressive counties.

Again people seem to be missing or just ignoring the fact that Carlow were well beaten by any decent team, bar Kildare. One off results like that shouldn't be the reason to forget that there's an imbalance.

This year seen bigger hammerings dished out than normal. Some to the teams who people are trying to make the argument that thing's should stay how they are.

morrga

How about a 2 tier league championship structure run from March to July with 16 teams in each competition where promotion and relegation exists.

Run the provincials during this as standalone competitions where by a tier 1 winner gets home advantage in a quarter final or a tier 2 winners gains automatic promotion to next years Sam McGuire.

Bottom team in each group plays a relegation final except where by a tier 2 teams wins a provincial championship. In that case both teams relegated.

2 groups of 8 teams in both tiers with 3 home and 3 away with a Super 8 weekend in Croke Park to remove the home away anomaly and create a super 8 for all 32 teams.

Effectively this creates a county season for the first half of the year and a club season for the second half of the year. It removes the need for November, December training thus providing proper off season rest. Pre season can begin early January with a 10 week lead into Paddys weekend where pre season competitions can still retain their merit.
This also allows colleges to complete their competitions as they currently stand in January February.

This would take so much suffocation of time, player welfare and create so much certainty to every single stakeholder involved.

I would love to hear what negatives people can point out with this proposal?