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Cork - BusConnects



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,774 ✭✭✭ donvito99

    Love the sole anti-Bus Connects comment on that video.

    'Its all about the cyclists .. Buses only getting 3m of lane width'

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,424 ✭✭✭ chalkitdown1

    Happy overall with the new routes, however, the wife won't be best pleased with having to soon take 2 different buses to get from from Skehard Road to Apple. I would have thought the 202 service was one of the most popular east/west routes in the city and something worth keeping?

  • Registered Users Posts: 16,720 ✭✭✭✭ namloc1980

    The new 1 is the new main east west corridor from Mahon to Ballincollig as they want it to mirror the future Luas line and be a 24 hour service.

    Based on the higher frequency and the 90 minute ticket there'll be a high frequency transfer from the 1 to the 3 (to Apple) in the city centre.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,754 ✭✭✭ thomil

    From my experience when I was still working at the Church of Saint Jobs, the bus almost completely emptied out when it reached Merchant's Quay, as back then, a lot of Apple employees, particularly those working the international jobs up in Hollyhill, lived in the city center and would get of either there or at the previous stop. A new crowd would then get on at Merchant's Quay for the rest of the journey. It's been a while since I worked there though, so I'm not sure how much this has changed in recent years.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!

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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 13,175 Mod ✭✭✭✭ marno21

    Infrastructure plans are out:

    Really ambitious but I do feel a lot of this will get caught up in objections. The plans for Ballincollig town centre, Kinsale Rd bus gate and the area around Sherman Crawford St come to mind on first glance.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,033 ✭✭✭ snotboogie

    Construction not due to be completed until 2030. For the east west line would they not just build the Luas? Is it really that big of a deal if it’s under-utilised for a few years while apartment construction picks up? On this schedule we are spending 8 years between consultation, planning and construction to build bus lanes only to go back to the drawing board two years later to start work on tram lines over the same route to be ready for 2040.

  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 13,175 Mod ✭✭✭✭ marno21

    Agreed. This chicken and egg situation with the Luas is helping no one. Work with the relevant stakeholders and if there’s a timeline for the Luas in place, developers can be sure that the properties they build will have good transport access.

    Imagine being able to live waterfront near Marina Park with a tram that’ll take you to to town in 5/10 mins and Mahon in 5/10 mins. It’d be a massive sell. Rather than at the minute being 1km into a derelict post industrial wasteland with no decent public transport and the vague promises of a Luas sometime in the future.

    (I note that there is a lack of future thinking here as well in these plans, see the N28 at Maryborough Hill or possibly long term the N22 at Poulavone).

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,999 ✭✭✭ cgcsb

    First glance at the proposed bus corridors. Seems like a total dogs dinner. No serious attempt to provide CONTINUOUS priority for buses and cycling. Bikes are forced onto diversions to accommodate cars. Multi lane roads like south link and north link are completely left to cars, no attempt to reallocate space to sustainable modes. Turning lanes cutting into bus lanes at all junctions. This needs to be binned and started again, the brief hasn't been read. Also why do no designers read dmurs?

  • Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭ DylanQuestion

    I disagree about the North and South Links. Almost no buses will be using these roads and there are no major populations living along these roads (at least the N40 and N27) with any type of access to the roads to make bus stops. As well as that, the housing near the roads are low density. Having bus lanes would be a waste of space as there would never be any type of need for them. The N40 is supposed to be a 'freeway' running through the southside (originally around it but we know what happened there) so that cars don't need to drive through residential roads or the city centre to get to either side of the city. That idea is very much enforced in these plans. As the Douglas Road will be local access only now with three bus gates, the thousands of cars a day that use the Douglas Road will need to go somewhere, even if there was a huge reduction in car usage in favour of buses (as is the hope). The South Douglas Road likely won't be able to fit this excess traffic, and so people south of the N40 and east of the N27 are being told to use the N27 to access the City Centre or the Southern Distributor (also partially included in this through the extension of Grange Road to Carrigaline Road, the Kinsale Rd - Douglas bus corridor) to get around the city west of the N27

    As for the rest of your comment, I can't give an opinion just yet. I have only looked at the Maryborough - City Centre route and it looks good to me. Fingerpost changed to a junction with bus priority, a bus gate added to allow buses onto East Douglas Street (which is being made a cul-de-sac for private cars), Old Carrigaline Road made two way, bus gates on Douglas Road look practical, etc. Will be extremely controversial though

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,033 ✭✭✭ snotboogie

    How would local access only be policed?

    Again given the level of effort that will be required, particularly in Douglas and the upcoming disuse of the N28 for traffic, its hard not to look at this and wonder why not just run a tram from Carrigaline via the N28, Maryborough hill and Douglas Road to the City Centre and just rip the whole band aid off at once?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭ DylanQuestion

    Bus gates at Well Road, Bellair and Ballinlough Road. Cars can access their house on Douglas Road using the the various points of access to the road from South Douglas Road (like Belvedere Lawn, Rosebank and Cross Douglas Road), Ballinlough Road/Bellair, Eglantine Park and Woodview. Cars can freely move around the local access areas, but the three bus gates prevents someone from driving from Douglas to the city centre on the Douglas Road, reducing traffic on the road for buses while mantaining local access for houses and schools. I assume the buses will have a scanner so only buses can get through. I think there is already one at the back of Mahon Point

  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 13,175 Mod ✭✭✭✭ marno21

    From the South Douglas Road to the Elysian, the N27 is gaining bus lanes in either direction which will require narrowing the general traffic lanes to 3m and reducing the speed limit. As Dylan pointed out, the rest of the N27 is a free flowing 100km/h dual carriageway, the buses will be using the adjacent Kinsale Rd.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭ hans aus dtschl

    Some of the details are really strange.

    I don't understand the motivation to keep the Tivoli Dual Carriageway a 60kmh Dual Carriageway for instance: traffic is often backed up there, I would have thought it a prime candidate for a bus lane, especially if it's all 60kmh. And some of the cycle routes are a bit off the wall, they're effectively "get out of the way of important traffic" routes, rather than actually offering anything for cyclists. Often on narrow, steep longer routes than the obvious route.

    Lots of good stuff in there too though. On balance I would like to see all of it done, rather than none of it done.