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Train cancellations 18th June onwards

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    #92
    tara83
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Those cancellations are pretty reasonable over the summer months because numbers will be lower however numbers on M3 most be bad for them to allow a complete service suspension off peak.

    Anecdotally it's been alot busier this year then others. On a couple of occasions in previous years I've felt like a VIP with my own train from Clonsilla to M3 parkway


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    #93
    devnull
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    Official update from IE:
    http://www.irishrail.ie/news/rail-summer-timetable
    Summer Timetable Revision 2018

    Alternative summer timetables on Sligo, Dundalk and M3 Parkway routes from Monday 25th June

    Iarnród Éireann Irish Rail advises customers of a number of changes to services this summer from Monday 25th June to Sunday 26th August. All affected services will be reinstated from Monday 27th August.

    The changes reflect reduced demand for some services during the summer period, and ensure that special trains for matches, concerts and other summer events can be provided within existing driver resources.

    Dublin Connolly/Sligo
    16:00hrs Dublin Connolly to Sligo (currently Monday to Sunday) will operate on Friday only
    16.00hrs DublinConnolly to Mullingar will operate instead on Monday to Thursday
    16:30hrs Sligo to Dublin Connolly (Sunday only) will not operate during this period

    Dundalk Commuter
    07.10hrs Dundalk to Bray (Monday to Friday) will terminate in Grand Canal Dock
    14.45hrs Dublin Connolly to Dundalk and 16.05hrs Dundalk to Dublin Connolly (both Friday only) will not operate during this period

    Clonsilla to M3 Parkway
    The following Off Peak M3 Parkway services will be substituted by road transfer:

    11:14hrs, 12.14hrs, 13.16hrs and 14.16hrs Clonsilla to M3 Parkway (Monday to Friday)
    11:43hrs, 12.40hrs, 13.45hrs and 14.40hrs M3 Parkway to Clonsilla (Monday to Friday).

    Does kind of hint at the problem is a lack of drivers though, as has been discussed earlier in the thread so if there was not the mentoring issue in the past we'd most likely not see this issue.


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    #94
    Hilly Bill
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    devnull wrote: »
    Official update from IE:
    http://www.irishrail.ie/news/rail-summer-timetable



    Does kind of hint at the problem is a lack of drivers though, as has been discussed earlier in the thread so if there was not the mentoring issue in the past we'd most likely not see this issue.

    More assumptions regarding mentoring. There comes a time that we need to move on.


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    #95
    Working class heroes
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    So, going by that logic if there was an increased demand would the appropriate changes be made to reflect this?

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



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    #96
    tara83
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    I note it's day time off peak not the evening for M3 cancellations. Quicker to get bus at that time of day then changeover at Clonsilla and wait


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    #97
    devnull
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    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    devnull wrote: »
    Official update from IE:
    http://www.irishrail.ie/news/rail-summer-timetable



    Does kind of hint at the problem is a lack of drivers though, as has been discussed earlier in the thread so if there was not the mentoring issue in the past we'd most likely not see this issue.

    More assumptions regarding mentoring. There comes a time that we need to move on.

    Not assumptions at all.

    Services are being cancelled due to lack of drivers.

    There would be more fully trained drivers if the mentoring issues were solved quicker.


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    #98
    L1011
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    If they do the usual length reductions on Sligo trains on top of this there'll be quite serious protest

    Bustitution on M3 shows it's not low demand anyway


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    #99
    devnull
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    L1011 wrote: »
    If they do the usual length reductions on Sligo trains on top of this there'll be quite serious protest

    Bustitution on M3 shows it's not low demand anyway

    Am curious who they get to do the shuttle bus, since we keep hearing that DB and BE are short of drivers.


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    #100
    Working class heroes
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    TheTruth. wrote: »
    Hello you bunch of retards, lets get things straight.

    - Mark from Rail Users Ireland and Devnull are same person
    - Many announcements were made on the train in Malahide
    - The driver did not walk out of the train and go home
    - The service cancellations are due to cuts in subsidy by the NTA
    - They prevented the company running the services with overtime.

    This is the truth, if you don't accept it that is your chocie, but the anti Irish Rail bastards on here should be taken out and shot for talking an excellent public service down amd trying to blacken the name of the working class.

    It’s grand, I’m not blackened.

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



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    #101
    Jamie2k9
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    devnull wrote: »
    Am curious who they get to do the shuttle bus, since we keep hearing that DB and BE are short of drivers.

    It will be private most likely.


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    #102
    Jamie2k9
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    L1011 wrote: »
    If they do the usual length reductions on Sligo trains on top of this there'll be quite serious protest

    Bustitution on M3 shows it's not low demand anyway

    Its only the 05.45 capacity moves to 07.00 and it will happen.


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    #103
    L1011
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Its only the 05.45 capacity moves to 07.00 and it will happen.

    The 0545 hasn't got the capacity to give up. Screw the year round passengers for what purpose exactly?


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    #104
    Jamie2k9
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    L1011 wrote: »
    The 0545 hasn't got the capacity to give up. Screw the year round passengers for what purpose exactly?

    If the 4 car copes well before Maynooth that's all that matters, the longer 07.00 caters for increased leisure travelers. I could be wrong but there may be a political element to it as well.


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    #105
    L1011
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    If the 4 car copes well before Maynooth that's all that matters, the longer 07.00 caters for increased leisure travelers.

    It doesn't. Take a look at the IR Twitter feed every weekday morning its on.

    The regular 0545 passengers are the ones paying week in week out for the service.


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    #106
    GM228
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    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    More assumptions regarding mentoring. There comes a time that we need to move on.

    This really says it all:-
    IE wrote:
    The changes reflect reduced demand for some services during the summer period, and ensure that special trains for matches, concerts and other summer events can be provided within existing driver resources.

    The reality is had drivers been trained before now there would not be such a driver shortage (i.e an extra 31 drivers available) and there would be no issue of trying to ensure other trains can be run with "existing driver resources".


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    #107
    GM228
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    L1011 wrote: »
    If they do the usual length reductions on Sligo trains on top of this there'll be quite serious protest
    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Its only the 05.45 capacity moves to 07.00 and it will happen.

    There will be no train length reductions.


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    #108
    GM228
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    devnull wrote: »
    Am curious who they get to do the shuttle bus, since we keep hearing that DB and BE are short of drivers.

    Bartons and JJ Kavanagh have been mentioned.


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    #109
    Hilly Bill
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    GM228 wrote: »
    This really says it all:-



    The reality is had drivers been trained before now there would not be such a driver shortage (i.e an extra 31 drivers available) and there would be no issue of trying to ensure other trains can be run with "existing driver resources".

    Wouldn't the shortage have happened sooner if drivers are taken off routes to mentor them?


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    #110
    devnull
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    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Wouldn't the shortage have happened sooner if drivers are taken off routes to mentor them?

    If the mentoring was done earlier in the year there wouldn't be so many specials to worry about like there is in the summer and that's before you take into account that less people take holiday at other times of year too.


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    #111
    GM228
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    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Wouldn't the shortage have happened sooner if drivers are taken off routes to mentor them?

    Drivers are not "taken off routes" to mentor, they mentor during their normal turn of duty, mentoring has zero impact on the running of services.


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    #112
    Hilly Bill
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    devnull wrote: »
    If the mentoring was done earlier in the year there wouldn't be so many specials to worry about like there is in the summer and that's before you take into account that less people take holiday at other times of year too.

    So why not just cancel the specials instead of the reqular service.?


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    #113
    Hilly Bill
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    GM228 wrote: »
    Drivers are not "taken off routes" to mentor, they mentor during their normal turn of duty, mentoring has zero impact on the running of services.

    That's my point 😀.


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    #114
    L1011
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    GM228 wrote: »
    There will be no train length reductions.

    So the 0545 shortening that has happened for years isn't going to happen?


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    #115
    GM228
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    L1011 wrote: »
    So the 0545 shortening that has happened for years isn't going to happen?

    It was shortened for a time last summer, not for "years". There are no plans for that to happen this year.


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    #116
    GM228
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    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    That's my point ��.

    I don't think that was your point at all.

    Mentoring has no impact, lack of mentoring however has.


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    #117
    Jamie2k9
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    GM228 wrote: »
    It was shortened for a time last summer, not for "years". There are no plans for that to happen this year.

    Not 2016 as well?


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    #118
    Hilly Bill
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    GM228 wrote: »
    I don't think that was your point at all.

    Mentoring has no impact, lack of mentoring however has.

    You think wrong. That's the difference between you guys in suits and us on the ground.


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    #119
    GM228
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Not 2016 as well?

    It was either 2016 or 2017, but not both as when it did happen there were numerous complaints.


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    #120
    GM228
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    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    You think wrong. That's the difference between you guys in suits and us on the ground.

    GM228 looks left, looks right, looks in the mirror. Result = can't find anyone in a suit!

    Anyway, if I think wrong, elaborate perhaps why I think wrong?


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    #121
    Jamie2k9
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    GM228 wrote: »
    It was either 2016 or 2017, but not both as when it did happen there were numerous complaints.

    Yes I remember the daily complaints.

    So with the 16.00 running to Mullingar will it position back to Connolly or wait until it can make it to Sligo the following day to form the 11.00. Somehow I don't think running to Mullingar was the desired outcome when they wanted to cut service.


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