Jobseekers who are not seeking jobs

corner of hells

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Surprised there is still some people who are bothered about long term unemployed on the dole, don't bother me never will,don't effect me in anyway, before someone saids but the tax you pay goes towards to dole,don't care, we will always pay tax and there will always be people who never want to work,but still we have to have someone on boards to open another thread about it like its a new point.

We have to keep some people unemployed to keep the DSP staff busy .

Muzzymor

Permabear wrote: »

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If you want to serve your company as well as possible, you should consider hiring people based on their relevant skills and experience, as opposed to how much time they spent reading your website in order to write the perfect BS filled cover note regurgitating your pr talking points to you.

Says something about your own knowledge of the field if you need applicants to spend 3 hours tailoring a cv and cover letter specifically for your company just so you can gather from it whether they have the skills and experience to warrant an interview. Because your company is so much more unique and special than every other finance company out there, I'm sure.

Squatter

eeguy wrote: »

You can't force people to work, and if they're entitled to benefits, then they're entitled.

You can try make it uncomfortable, which is what the govt is doing now, but there's a limit before the individuals and their children really suffer.

You're entitled to benefits, but you're not entitled to assistance, which is what the majority of jobseekers would be on.

eeguy

Muzzymor wrote: »

If you want to serve your company as well as possible, you should consider hiring people based on their relevant skills and experience, as opposed to how much time they spent reading your website in order to write the perfect BS filled cover note regurgitating your pr talking points to you.

The HR dept in many companies hasn't a bulls notion of what skills and experience are relevant for a given job.
They just have the job spec and hundreds of CVs to sift through. The manager who chooses the candidates to interview might get 10% of the actual number of submitted CVs. The other 90% being rejected for any number of real or imaginary issues. That's why cover letters are important. Need to satisfy the HR drone.

Squatter wrote: »

You're entitled to benefits, but you're not entitled to assistance, which is what the majority of jobseekers would be on.

Ya I know what you mean. If they meet the means test criteria for assistance, they're able to claim.

Donald Trump

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

Dont mean to be a smartass, but I have seen this a lot - people who are on jobseekers allowance, but they are not trying hard to find a job.

If I was out of work, I would be spending 8 hours a day either researching, applying for jobs, or out meeting people to make contacts.

Is there any follow-up from DSA, to check on someone's progress?

8 hours a day?


Sure that barely leaves enough time for watching porn and pulling yourself off - never mind eating and sleeping

Lucena

Donald Trump wrote: »

8 hours a day?


Sure that barely leaves enough time for watching porn and pulling yourself off - never mind eating and sleeping

I save time by doing both at the same time.

Donald Trump

Lucena wrote: »

I save time by doing both at the same time.

We have a guru in the house!

Sgro

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

Dont mean to be a smartass, but I have seen this a lot - people who are on jobseekers allowance, but they are not trying hard to find a job.

If I was out of work, I would be spending 8 hours a day either researching, applying for jobs, or out meeting people to make contacts.

Is there any follow-up from DSA, to check on someone's progress?

I was on the dole before and there is follow up. You have to attend workshops on how to apply for jobs etc, and they ask for proof that you have been looking for jobs (proof of application, emails etc.)

I was only on it for a very short time and I experienced this, my father was also unemployed for 3 years and had to liaise with an officer on the status of his search regularly.

Jimmy Dags

Working is for those funding job seekers. Why should you actively seek and do work when you don’t have to. Just throw a shot into a one an get a free house.

Wanderer2010

Sgro wrote: »

I was on the dole before and there is follow up. You have to attend workshops on how to apply for jobs etc, and they ask for proof that you have been looking for jobs (proof of application, emails etc.)

I was only on it for a very short time and I experienced this, my father was also unemployed for 3 years and had to liaise with an officer on the status of his search regularly.

And yet some people are long term unemployed, how do they get away with those constant checks?

Jimmy Dags

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

And yet some people are long term unemployed, how do they get away with those constant checks?

If you are Living far away.

greencap

Permabear wrote: »

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fck you and your wax sealed scroll on a silver plate ass suckery.

ooooh pweeease mr employer, let me be your ball washer, theres no way i can live without your precious precious company. i have no alternatives and have dreamed of being a cog in your machine since childhood.

fck off. name, address, qualifications, take it or leave it.

Conservatory

It’s easy. Go to all the meetings and agree with them.
Most of these people wouldn’t get employed holding a sign for a fortune teller in temple bar.

A lot of them are on the sick but don’t want you knowing.

Even if they cut you off what are they gonna do? Let you and the kids starve?

You just go back on.

There will be about 3 or 4 out of every 100 people who will only work a couple of years in their life. They didn’t have the upbringing for working. Capitalism doesn’t work for them.

We can feed them or we can feed a security guard to stop them feeding on us.

I wouldn’t get my knickers in a twist about it.

jaxxx

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

They'll put you on some nonsense privatised scheme like turas nua.

I've been with them a year now. Biggest effing waste of time. Thankfully I'm no longer with them as I'm on a training course that hopefully will land me straight into a job when complete, fingers crossed


Throughout my time in jobseekers I've been hounded by various people from the department to see if I was searching for jobs. Thankfully I have recorded all jobs I've applied for when on jobseekers, but it really annoyed me that there are people on jobseekers as described by the op (who make no effort to try and find jobs, who would rather be on welfare all their life) and yet its people genuinely looking for work byt struggling that the department keeps checking up on. I've known several people exactly as described in the op (not personally but friend of a friend/family type thing) and they wouldn't move their butt out of the couch to go for a pi$$ let alone try and find a job.

eeguy

greencap wrote: »

fck you and your wax sealed scroll on a silver plate ass suckery.

ooooh pweeease mr employer, let me be your ball washer, theres no way i can live without your precious precious company. i have no alternatives and have dreamed of being a cog in your machine since childhood.

fck off. name, address, qualifications, take it or leave it.

When you have 300 CVs with identical qualifications, how do you pick the person with the right attitude, the right experience, the right approach to problems, the right personality to fit in with the rest of the group?

Jimmy Dags

eeguy wrote: »

When you have 300 CVs with identical qualifications, how do you pick the person with the right attitude, the right experience, the right approach to problems, the right personality to fit in with the rest of the group?

Penis size.

jaxxx

eeguy wrote: »

When you have 300 CVs with identical qualifications, how do you pick the person with the right attitude, the right experience, the right approach to problems, the right personality to fit in with the rest of the group?

CVs and cover letters are run through specialised software that picks out certain specifics that you request of it. It'll scan the documents for specific words and then compile a list of all CVs that match your requirements. I learned that through Turas Nua funnily enough. In fairness they did help on how to configure a CV on a per job basis.

Conservatory

eeguy wrote: »

When you have 300 CVs with identical qualifications, how do you pick the person with the right attitude, the right experience, the right approach to problems, the right personality to fit in with the rest of the group?

A cover letter will tell you this?

“Oh he uses the same font as mike in billing, put him in billing.

eeguy

Jimmy Dags wrote: »

Penis size.

No wonder there's a gender gap :D

volono

myshirt wrote: »

People will try make the best choices amongst alternatives.

If you were an unemployed man with say 2 kids and a wife, with all the benefits you can get, do you know what a job would need to pay just so you can net out the same?

Conservatively, about 42-45k. And that's before you add in a few odd tommers (or side hustles) throughout the year.

If your education, work history, mental health situation, life skills, coping ability, etc doesn't land you in that bracket, then apart from a desire for self esteem, social acceptance, fitting in, feeling useful, why would you want a job that hits your family finances like that? You can't call Bord Gais and tell them you have no money, but you are feeling great. They don't accept self esteem in payment.

That's the reality lads. You can give out about it as much as you want, but there needs to be a genuine investment in education and training, investment in kids in socio-economic disadvantaged areas, and an investment in policing and community (which doesn't mean more wages for overpaid gardai). The media need to also get off the backs of young kids trying to get out of this cycle, and direct their efforts to holding our elected leaders and the rest of us accountable for helping these kids out of this cycle.

There needs to be a washout of nearly every Department of Social protection staff member on over 80k and replacement with people who can actually f#cking deliver the goods. I done voluntary work in Dublin and Limerick with a couple of these f#ckers on boards, committees, and panels, and they are beyond useless. It's the height of irony. A lot of the lower level staff could be replaced with those on the dole. At least if you get a kid coming from a family dependent on social welfare, he is normally a grafter and will work hard. The kid who got the job because Mammy or Daddy knows their way around the public service is usually the non-productive useless sack of sh't that causes this problem to persist.

YES, YES, YES and YES

greencap

eeguy wrote: »

When you have 300 CVs with identical qualifications, how do you pick the person with the right attitude, the right experience, the right approach to problems, the right personality to fit in with the rest of the group?

look for the one thats been written with a quill and smells faintly of fabarge eggs and truffle.

if hundreds of candidates meet the basic qualifications then you're obviously not offering something thats worthy of a heart felt 3 hr discourse filled with begging and boot licking.

Donald Trump

Jimmy Dags wrote: »

Penis size.

Different strokes for different folks


I take it you're looking for someone you can give longer strokes to?


:pac:

Donald Trump

jaxxx wrote: »

CVs and cover letters are run through specialised software that picks out certain specifics that you request of it. It'll scan the documents for specific words and then compile a list of all CVs that match your requirements. I learned that through Turas Nua funnily enough. In fairness they did help on how to configure a CV on a per job basis.

I usually include the sentence "Not a complete cunt" on mine. So that if they search for "Not a cunt" in their search, mine will pass the filter. And By adding the extra word, "complete", I'm also not telling a lie.


Take that automated computer machines. Thinking you are smart. Ya won't bate The Donald

somefeen

All these CV and cover letter experts are talking **** most of the time. You'll get conflicting information from all of them.
Present the info in a logical fashion and **** off.

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Viscount Aggro wrote: »

Dont mean to be a smartass, but I have seen this a lot - people who are on jobseekers allowance, but they are not trying hard to find a job.

If I was out of work, I would be spending 8 hours a day either researching, applying for jobs, or out meeting people to make contacts.

Is there any follow-up from DSA, to check on someone's progress?

Nah, no you wouldn't.

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

Yeah, like 8 hours is not enough work to put in?
I know this Maltese girl - during the bad years, 2009 / 10, she told me she was doing 14 hour days, spent 2 - 3 hours per job application.
Had meals shoved under the bedroom door on a tray.

That didn't happen either... 3/10 for effort.

NinetyTwoTeam

where i live jobs are so scarce you couldn't spend 8 hrs in a month looking. with no transportation or means to relocate I'm stuck here.

I've did Jobbridge, and now I'm on Jobpath, have had to go in every fortnight and prove I'm looking. They are meant to be linking me in with employers too.

I've been on it 12 months and have my final meeting with them this Wednesday. Want to hazard a guess as to how many jobs they've referred me for, OP?

Here's a hint: rhymes with hero.

Rikand

Permabear wrote: »

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Thank you so much for this post. Sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time putting the effort in but your post makes all the time spent feel worthwhile

mikemac2

Jobseekers is a fraction of the welfare budget and the long term unemployed is another fraction of that

So many dole bashing threads of boards when there is infinitely more money wasted elsewhere

OP if you are so concerned about your tax euros being wasted the real culprits wear suits and work in offices

pleas advice

Jimmy Dags wrote: »

Penis size.

my CV can fit on an A6 sheet of paper, length and girth

ChikiChiki

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

where i live jobs are so scarce you couldn't spend 8 hrs in a month looking. with no transportation or means to relocate I'm stuck here.

I've did Jobbridge, and now I'm on Jobpath, have had to go in every fortnight and prove I'm looking. They are meant to be linking me in with employers too.

I've been on it 12 months and have my final meeting with them this Wednesday. Want to hazard a guess as to how many jobs they've referred me for, OP?

Here's a hint: rhymes with hero.

Maybe you should think about moving to where the jobs are as hard as that may be. It doesn't have to be forever, just view it as a temporary move.