Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

fricatus

deiseach wrote: »

While Nowlan Park would indeed be a good 'compromise', it was ruled out last year and there's no point wasting time and effort revisiting that argument as the reasons for the refusal haven't changed.

I'd take issue with that point though, because in the meantime we've seen that Leinster had no problem with their final being replayed in Thurles. I don't recall the Munster Council having any problem with provincial boundaries being crossed on that occasion either. There's a precedent there, and why it can't be used by Waterford is beyond me.

deiseach

fricatus wrote: »

I'd take issue with that point though, because in the meantime we've seen that Leinster had no problem with their final being replayed in Thurles. I don't recall the Munster Council having any problem with provincial boundaries being crossed on that occasion either. There's a precedent there, and why it can't be used by Waterford is beyond me.

The Munster Council don't want games played outside Munster. There was precedent before this year for other provincial councils crossing provincial boundaries, so Leinster doing it this year doesn't change anything. Paddy Joe Ryan - admittedly not the most reliable of narrators, but he's all we have to go on about what happened behind closed doors - said that "We are big beneficiaries of Munster Council. We are depending on Munster Council for financial support for when we redevelop. We didn’t want to be seen to be bending the rules to suit ourselves. We just have to go along with what was decided." Time for us to turn this regulation - "a change from a home venue can only be to a neutral venue within the province" - around on them #fraherorforgetit

deiseach

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Are ya really? Sad enough really! Iv been out and about going to games, playing games & getting on with life!

Have it alright, I’ll keep ya waiting a bit longer for you to adjudicate over

You're a liar on all counts.

Deiseen

Guys, if they get 10,000 to 15,000 at another venue then how much of a difference is this to Fraher Field once the cost of the other stadium is taken into account?

If it's a money issue then I can't see much of a difference really because of this. If your getting 20k+ then yes it wud be a huge diff, but they wont get that.

And if money is really that much of an issue, then just charge an extra €5 per ticket. Waterford people would spend more than this if they had to travel anyway.

thesaturdayman

deiseach wrote: »

You're a liar on all counts.

Don’t think so... if you know who I am you’ll have seen my picture in the paper....

deiseach

In fairness I don't think money is the issue for the Munster Council. At least, it's not the primary issue and everything would be a lot simpler if it were. They must have known they'd get a better crowd for our games this year in Nowlan Park than what they got, especially for the Tipp game. The problem is an inflated sense of importance. To play a match outside the province or in a venue as, shall we say, humble as Dungarvan would offend against the dignity of the Munster championship.

BloodyBill

I think there would be 20,000 at the Limerick game and alot less at the Clare one. That's my gut feeling. Limerick generally bring 10,000 to away matches. If point to the Cork match on that Saturday night and the Clare match in Ennis where the crowd was 50/50. But I think the Munster council would buckle and accede to Dungarvan if the Waterford county board was united enough. The fact is Waterford have the least powerful county board in Munster and they tend to bend and aquiece too readily.
For what it's worth if Waterford let this venue issue drag on until after Christmas it will become a burden and a ready made excuse. Get it sorted out and set the gun sights on getting out of Munster in the summer and the All Ireland is there for the taking.

mountgomery burns

BloodyBill wrote: »

I think there would be 20,000 at the Limerick game and alot less at the Clare one. That's my gut feeling. Limerick generally bring 10,000 to away matches. If point to the Cork match on that Saturday night and the Clare match in Ennis where the crowd was 50/50. But I think the Munster council would buckle and accede to Dungarvan if the Waterford county board was united enough. The fact is Waterford have the least powerful county board in Munster and they tend to bend and aquiece too readily.
For what it's worth if Waterford let this venue issue drag on until after Christmas it will become a burden and a ready made excuse. Get it sorted out and set the gun sights on getting out of Munster in the summer and the All Ireland is there for the taking.

Nowlan park would still handle 20K and I don't think Limerick would bring 10K there either. Nor do I think Waterford would bring 10K to it. Unless it's do or die maybe, which it could be given its round three. Then again one of them could be out at that stage and it be a glorified dead rubber.

enoughtaken

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Don’t think so... if you know who I am you’ll have seen my picture in the paper....

On what page is the question 😂😂

Motivator

enoughtaken wrote: »

On what page is the question 😂😂

The funny pages

mountgomery burns

Any Clonea players worth a look next year ?

upthedeise16

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Any Clonea players worth a look next year ?

Wasn’t at the game but I heard Willie Hahessy done a fine man marking job on O’Halloran and was a great corner back on the minor and under 21 winning teams. Young Billy Power was a decent minor forward as well. Don’t know if either would be worth a look though.

mountgomery burns

upthedeise16 wrote: »

Wasn’t at the game but I heard Willie Hahessy done a fine man marking job on O’Halloran and was a great corner back on the minor and under 21 winning teams. Young Billy Power was a decent minor forward as well. Don’t know if either would be worth a look though.

Had forgotten Hahessy. We are very short of corner backs so certainly worth a look.

Mastermcgrath

upthedeise16 wrote: »

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Any Clonea players worth a look next year ?

Wasn’t at the game but I heard Willie Hahessy done a fine man marking job on O’Halloran and was a great corner back on the minor and under 21 winning teams. Young Billy Power was a decent minor forward as well. Don’t know if either would be worth a look though.

Strange that they only play him corner back though. You'd imagine a guy being tipped for senior intercounty pedigree would be used in a more pivotal position like Centre or even full back....
Clonea have had a nice few county minors over the past couple of years but no real stand-out performers. They'll struggle to maintain senior status.

Giveitfong

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Glen Rovers are based in Mount Melleray, only a small club usually junior b or junior c. Were joined with Tourin for a while and won a county but back on their own again now

There was also a club with a similar name, Valley Rovers, who were based in the district between Clonmel Golf Club, Rathgormack and the Nire valley. They were strong in junior football (when there was no intermediate grade) in the 1950s and early 1960s. Their main players were the Hewitt brothers and Oliver Nugent. They borrowed a fair few players from the Nire and Touraneena, who didn't have a GAA club in those days. I think they went out of business in the late 1960s after the Sliabh gCua club was established.


Clonea, incidentally, had two phases when they were very strong in senior hurling. They won four county titles in the first decade of the 20th century. They lost the 1947 final in a replay against Erin's Own, who were very strong at the time, and the 1949 final to Mount Sion before finally winning the title in 1952 against TF Meaghers from Waterford (long defunct). I think they were boosted by a couple of outside players that year.

whiteandblue

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

Strange that they only play him corner back though. You'd imagine a guy being tipped for senior intercounty pedigree would be used in a more pivotal position like Centre or even full back....
Clonea have had a nice few county minors over the past couple of years but no real stand-out performers. They'll struggle to maintain senior status.

I'd say he just picks up the standout forward from opposition teams whether he is midfield, wing, centre or corner forward.

Statistically, very few teams in recent years have survived more than 2 years after coming up senior and establish themselves with the exception of Lismore who were only intermediate for a year and Roanmore. Clonea in the past, An Rinn, Ardmore, Portlaw, Cappoquin (may have survived 3?) and Dunhill have returned to intermediate fairly quickly.

mountgomery burns

whiteandblue wrote: »

I'd say he just picks up the standout forward from opposition teams whether he is midfield, wing, centre or corner forward.

Statistically, very few teams in recent years have survived more than 2 years after coming up senior and establish themselves with the exception of Lismore who were only intermediate for a year and Roanmore. Clonea in the past, An Rinn, Ardmore, Portlaw, Cappoquin (may have survived 3?) and Dunhill have returned to intermediate fairly quickly.

Think Roanmore came up in 2009 and Dungarvan and Passage has been promoted in the years prior.

cul beag

Kenny
Hogan
Keating
Dillon
Coughlan
O Regan
Shane Bennett

For one reason or another these are the players supposedly gone from last year’s squad. Are there more? Any new additions that will actually make a difference rather than make up numbers?

PTH2009

cul beag wrote: »

Kenny
Hogan
Keating
Dillon
Coughlan
O Regan
Shane Bennett

For one reason or another these are the players supposedly gone from last year’s squad. Are there more? Any new additions that will actually make a difference rather than make up numbers?

Deff could do with Shane Bennett

Hogan and Keating were impressive when they played

Have heard Fanning sent out letters too players calling them up ?? Don't knw how true

DiscoStew

cul beag wrote: »

Kenny
Hogan
Keating
Dillon
Coughlan
O Regan
Shane Bennett

For one reason or another these are the players supposedly gone from last year’s squad. Are there more? Any new additions that will actually make a difference rather than make up numbers?

When was Shane Bennett a part of last years squad? Both he and Kieran are back training with the panel.
Hogan could probably do with the break given his injuries and he wasn’t making the 26 most days. Keating I would have hoped might push on but not a huge surprise either.

JeffKenna

cul beag wrote: »

Kenny
Hogan
Keating
Dillon
Coughlan
O Regan
Shane Bennett

For one reason or another these are the players supposedly gone from last year’s squad. Are there more? Any new additions that will actually make a difference rather than make up numbers?

Is Brick coming back?

cul beag

JeffKenna wrote: »

Is Brick coming back?

Apparently undecided but again we’re going on rumours so it’s hard to know. Hopefully he stays, even for his professionalism and his experience he is invaluable to the younger fellas. Could still be used as an impact sub also.
The man owes nothing to the county jersey that’s for sure.
Glad to hear Shane Bennett is back also.

Gardner

DiscoStew wrote: »

When was Shane Bennett a part of last years squad? Both he and Kieran are back training with the panel.
Hogan could probably do with the break given his injuries and he wasn’t making the 26 most days. Keating I would have hoped might push on but not a huge surprise either.

the panel isn't even back training yet ffs

carter10

Giveitfong wrote: »

There was also a club with a similar name, Valley Rovers, who were based in the district between Clonmel Golf Club, Rathgormack and the Nire valley. They were strong in junior football (when there was no intermediate grade) in the 1950s and early 1960s. Their main players were the Hewitt brothers and Oliver Nugent. They borrowed a fair few players from the Nire and Touraneena, who didn't have a GAA club in those days. I think they went out of business in the late 1960s after the Sliabh gCua club was established.


They trained in the pitch at Ferryhouse as they never had their own pitch. Had a number of fields they used as pitches south of the river suir mostly around Derrinlaur and Coleville road south of Clonmel. My grandfather was a founding member. Team had a very small pick, mainly about 5/7 families Hewitts ( about 7 of them) Walshs, Nugents, Byrnes and Clearys. Club folded in the early 70s when all the Hewitts defected to Clonmel Commercials.

DiscoStew

Gardner wrote: »

the panel isn't even back training yet ffs

No collective training sessions yet but both are back. On gym programmes like the rest of the panel for now.

deiseach

https://twitter.com/tomasmcc/status/1052558500939870208

tommylad1212

cul beag wrote: »

Apparently undecided but again we’re going on rumours so it’s hard to know. Hopefully he stays, even for his professionalism and his experience he is invaluable to the younger fellas. Could still be used as an impact sub also.
The man owes nothing to the county jersey that’s for sure.
Glad to hear Shane Bennett is back also.

Bennett is not back

DiscoStew

tommylad1212 wrote: »

Bennett is not back

Incorrect

cul beag

DiscoStew wrote: »

Incorrect

So he’s definitely back on the panel?

DiscoStew

cul beag wrote: »

So he’s definitely back on the panel?

Yes