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PTH2009

Love to see Mount Sion or Lismore win it

Ballygunner powering through the semi final and final is very possible. Lismore might give them a game

Passage the so called weakest team in the semi finals but we all know how Mount Sions form is so up and down

Gardner

Report from Mount Sion vs DLS game

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40033160.html

"At the start of the second half, a man was escorted out of the ground by five members of An Garda Síochána." any idea what happened here?

PTH2009

Gardner wrote: »

Report from Mount Sion vs DLS game

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40033160.html

"At the start of the second half, a man was escorted out of the ground by five members of An Garda Síochána." any idea what happened here?

The city rivalry is still particularly strong then

No idea and the first I've heard of that ?, maybe he sneaked in or something

I think it was the 2012 semi final between DLS and Sion and all hell broke loose. It was one of the most ill tempered games I ever saw

DeiseDawg

Is Austin Gleeson being reffed on his reputation and not what's happening on the day?

HelloHello1234

Gardner wrote: »

Report from Mount Sion vs DLS game

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40033160.html

"At the start of the second half, a man was escorted out of the ground by five members of An Garda Síochána." any idea what happened here?

I believe he tried to get access first but saying he had to drop in a spare hurley that he was carrying to a player.

he was then told hed need a ticket and hopped the wall.

Said person is rumoured to have smashed up specsavers in town with said hurley

deiseach

HelloHello1234 wrote: »

I believe he tried to get access first but saying he had to drop in a spare hurley that he was carrying to a player.

he was then told hed need a ticket and hopped the wall.

Said person is rumoured to have smashed up specsavers in town with said hurley

Coming to 'Bog Cuttings' in a future issue of Phoenix magazine...

tommylad1212

DeiseDawg wrote: »

Is Austin Gleeson being reffed on his reputation and not what's happening on the day?

What do you think ?

TheScoringGoal

DeiseDawg wrote: »

Is Austin Gleeson being reffed on his reputation and not what's happening on the day?

I thought his red against Roanmore was harsh but the two yellows yesterday were correct. However just before the first one he was clearly annoyed at a stroke on him. The stream didn't really pick it up though so I can't say whether he had a case or not.

To be fair to him he took over in the second half and De La Salle had no answer to him. I'd also suggest that that Martin O Neill was lucky to only see yellow for a loose pull.

mountgomery burns

So two questions from the weekend:

1) What did happen with your man being ejected from Walsh Park?

2) Why has big Dan got 10 and 14 on his legs?

Christy Browne

Fella hopped the wall and was bothering people on the line/dugout from what I understand. You may recognise him from a video our favourite local radio journalist did on the quay. Good for mouth ulcers...

grimbergen

Spent a great week in W'ford last week on holidays and as a GAA man I like to figure out where the well known clubs are located etc.

One question - why aren't Tramore a more prominent club? Big town with decent population etc.

mountgomery burns

grimbergen wrote: »

Spent a great week in W'ford last week on holidays and as a GAA man I like to figure out where the well known clubs are located etc.

One question - why aren't Tramore a more prominent club? Big town with decent population etc.

The soccer mainly

seananigans

grimbergen wrote: »

Spent a great week in W'ford last week on holidays and as a GAA man I like to figure out where the well known clubs are located etc.

One question - why aren't Tramore a more prominent club? Big town with decent population etc.

strange name for a hurling fan, named after a belgian beer.Tramore has always struggled for some reason , couple of reasons.

1.Lots of teenagers gets summer jobs Down around , or in the pubs/hotels so the numbers tend to fall off early enough in peoples development.
2.Clubs location means its not the heart of the community as most people live in tramore heights/ ring road/cliff road, ideally we'd have a second club where the golf clubs front 9 is to cater for this side of town ,uptown also tends to be more affluent and these are the people,who can afford to invest in their kids.
3.for some reason Tramore is more concerned with football than hurling.
4. The last 25 years saw a lot of townies moving out to Tramore . but those who were involved in Hurling tend to put their kids back into the town clubs they came from, Aussie Gleeson playing for Mt Sion being the most famous example(no parish rule across tramore/waterford .
5.No one wants to put their kids into a losing team, theres 3 soccer clubs in tramore and a new minis rugby team the last few years , they tend to suck up the numbers
6.No one in the cobo has done a development plan, to try and correct these issues and develop tramore more.facilites are fine something else is wrong, you compare with dungarvan and its similar population its a real shame.

for ref i am from tramore but was never involved with the club so dont know its inner workings

Had to edit as have thought more about Dungarvan , a few years ago got massive investment in the schools and were allowed an amalgamated schools team, ,which won back to back harty's i think ? all those players went back to their clubs abbeyside /an rinn/ dungarvan itself , im sure someone will point out i missed a few clubs,or i may be wrong about the catchment for dungarvan second level catchment on one or 2 of those

PTH2009

seananigans wrote: »

strange name for a hurling fan, named after a belgian beer.Tramore has always struggled for some reason , couple of reasons.

1.Lots of teenagers gets summer jobs Down around , or in the pubs/hotels so the numbers tend to fall off early enough in peoples development.
2.Clubs location means its not the heart of the community as most people live in tramore heights/ ring road/cliff road, ideally we'd have a second club where the golf clubs front 9 is to cater for this side of town ,uptown also tends to be more affluent and these are the people,who can afford to invest in their kids.
3.for some reason Tramore is more concerned with football than hurling.
4. The last 25 years saw a lot of townies moving out to Tramore . but those who were involved in Hurling tend to put their kids back into the town clubs they came from, Aussie Gleeson playing for Mt Sion being the most famous example(no parish rule across tramore/waterford .
5.No one wants to put their kids into a losing team, theres 3 soccer clubs in tramore and a new minis rugby team the last few years , they tend to suck up the numbers
6.No one in the cobo has done a development plan, to try and correct these issues and develop tramore more.facilites are fine something else is wrong, you compare with dungarvan and its similar population its a real shame.

for ref i am from tramore but was never involved with the club so dont know its inner workings

Had to edit as have thought more about Dungarvan , a few years ago got massive investment in the schools and were allowed an amalgamated schools team, ,which won back to back harty's i think ? all those players went back to their clubs abbeyside /an rinn/ dungarvan itself , im sure someone will point out i missed a few clubs,or i may be wrong about the catchment for dungarvan second level catchment on one or 2 of those

i think Tramore were in a Junior County final a few years back ?, its a shame as the ground is always in decent condition and one of the first places you see when u come into Tramore

Looked it up and they played in the County Junior hurling finals 2013 & 2018, losing twice to Ballysaggart and Ballinameela respectively

TheScoringGoal

seananigans wrote: »

strange name for a hurling fan, named after a belgian beer.Tramore has always struggled for some reason , couple of reasons.

1.Lots of teenagers gets summer jobs Down around , or in the pubs/hotels so the numbers tend to fall off early enough in peoples development.
2.Clubs location means its not the heart of the community as most people live in tramore heights/ ring road/cliff road, ideally we'd have a second club where the golf clubs front 9 is to cater for this side of town ,uptown also tends to be more affluent and these are the people,who can afford to invest in their kids.
3.for some reason Tramore is more concerned with football than hurling.
4. The last 25 years saw a lot of townies moving out to Tramore . but those who were involved in Hurling tend to put their kids back into the town clubs they came from, Aussie Gleeson playing for Mt Sion being the most famous example(no parish rule across tramore/waterford .
5.No one wants to put their kids into a losing team, theres 3 soccer clubs in tramore and a new minis rugby team the last few years , they tend to suck up the numbers
6.No one in the cobo has done a development plan, to try and correct these issues and develop tramore more.facilites are fine something else is wrong, you compare with dungarvan and its similar population its a real shame.

for ref i am from tramore but was never involved with the club so dont know its inner workings

Had to edit as have thought more about Dungarvan , a few years ago got massive investment in the schools and were allowed an amalgamated schools team, ,which won back to back harty's i think ? all those players went back to their clubs abbeyside /an rinn/ dungarvan itself , im sure someone will point out i missed a few clubs,or i may be wrong about the catchment for dungarvan second level catchment on one or 2 of those

Austin isn't from Tramore. Eamonn Power of Roanmore would have played with Tramore as he's from there. Shane McNulty is from Tramore too but I don't think be ever played with them.

The reason the club isn't where it should be with the population that it has is the club itself. For years it was ran extremely poorly with no engagement or attachment within the community. Underage due to numbers and the soccer club's influence Tramore often won juvenile football competitions but by the time minor came around the numbers were gone and the soccer skills aren't enough any more. It does seem as there have been efforts made in recent years for them to address this and become more of a community focal point.

I am aware of a story around ten years ago when some members of the Tramore hurling team went into the club bar to watch Waterford in an all Ireland quarter or semi final but were told that they were showing Man United that day so they should go elsewhere.

OEP

seananigans wrote: »

strange name for a hurling fan, named after a belgian beer.Tramore has always struggled for some reason , couple of reasons.

1.Lots of teenagers gets summer jobs Down around , or in the pubs/hotels so the numbers tend to fall off early enough in peoples development.
2.Clubs location means its not the heart of the community as most people live in tramore heights/ ring road/cliff road, ideally we'd have a second club where the golf clubs front 9 is to cater for this side of town ,uptown also tends to be more affluent and these are the people,who can afford to invest in their kids.
3.for some reason Tramore is more concerned with football than hurling.
4. The last 25 years saw a lot of townies moving out to Tramore . but those who were involved in Hurling tend to put their kids back into the town clubs they came from, Aussie Gleeson playing for Mt Sion being the most famous example(no parish rule across tramore/waterford .
5.No one wants to put their kids into a losing team, theres 3 soccer clubs in tramore and a new minis rugby team the last few years , they tend to suck up the numbers
6.No one in the cobo has done a development plan, to try and correct these issues and develop tramore more.facilites are fine something else is wrong, you compare with dungarvan and its similar population its a real shame.

for ref i am from tramore but was never involved with the club so dont know its inner workings

Had to edit as have thought more about Dungarvan , a few years ago got massive investment in the schools and were allowed an amalgamated schools team, ,which won back to back harty's i think ? all those players went back to their clubs abbeyside /an rinn/ dungarvan itself , im sure someone will point out i missed a few clubs,or i may be wrong about the catchment for dungarvan second level catchment on one or 2 of those

The club must be just badly run. Dungarvan/Abbeyside has three soccer clubs, two GAA clubs and a rugby club - kids play more than one sport. Tramore soccer club is very strong so that does take a bit way but it's not the main reason.

tommylad1212

seananigans wrote: »

strange name for a hurling fan, named after a belgian beer.Tramore has always struggled for some reason , couple of reasons.

1.Lots of teenagers gets summer jobs Down around , or in the pubs/hotels so the numbers tend to fall off early enough in peoples development.
2.Clubs location means its not the heart of the community as most people live in tramore heights/ ring road/cliff road, ideally we'd have a second club where the golf clubs front 9 is to cater for this side of town ,uptown also tends to be more affluent and these are the people,who can afford to invest in their kids.
3.for some reason Tramore is more concerned with football than hurling.
4. The last 25 years saw a lot of townies moving out to Tramore . but those who were involved in Hurling tend to put their kids back into the town clubs they came from, Aussie Gleeson playing for Mt Sion being the most famous example(no parish rule across tramore/waterford .
5.No one wants to put their kids into a losing team, theres 3 soccer clubs in tramore and a new minis rugby team the last few years , they tend to suck up the numbers
6.No one in the cobo has done a development plan, to try and correct these issues and develop tramore more.facilites are fine something else is wrong, you compare with dungarvan and its similar population its a real shame.

for ref i am from tramore but was never involved with the club so dont know its inner workings

Had to edit as have thought more about Dungarvan , a few years ago got massive investment in the schools and were allowed an amalgamated schools team, ,which won back to back harty's i think ? all those players went back to their clubs abbeyside /an rinn/ dungarvan itself , im sure someone will point out i missed a few clubs,or i may be wrong about the catchment for dungarvan second level catchment on one or 2 of those

What's the 3 soccer clubs in tramore? Tramore afc, tramore rangers , .............?

tommylad1212

PTH2009 wrote: »

i think Tramore were in a Junior County final a few years back ?, its a shame as the ground is always in decent condition and one of the first places you see when u come into Tramore

Looked it up and they played in the County Junior hurling finals 2013 & 2018, losing twice to Ballysaggart and Ballinameela respectively

Tramore are in this years junior A and junior c, eastern finals this weekend so numbers must be ok,

Deisegodeo

tramore has long been the problem with regard to producing players for county teams, second biggest population centre after the city but a very poor record of producing players and performing at club level.

lots of possible reasons, the town is traditionally a soccer town, two premier dvision clubs in the local league, with tramore afc arguably the strongest team in the league.

for me the biggest reason is the lack of parish rule and young lads living in tramore being brought into clubs in the city for the hurling. I saw lads playing hurling on a green in an estate in tramore a few years back and they all wearing mount sion jerseys.

I would love to see a big focus on improving standards in tramore, with a major focus on getting children involved in the local club. I think we currently have a very good spread across the city and county representing the county teams, from east to west, with the big exception being tramore.

Cake Man

tommylad1212 wrote: »

What's the 3 soccer clubs in tramore? Tramore afc, tramore rangers , .............?

Could be wrong as I dong know the soccer scene too well but it could be Seaview Celtic?

Just from my own observations I always got the impression with Tramore youngsters, being a beach town, many got into alternative sports like skateboarding and surfing. There was always the skatepark down the end of the prom and a few surf schools. May not have counted for many but I’m sure it probably would have pulled away a few lads from the GAA scene, combined with some of the other factors mentioned in previous posts.

tommylad1212

Cake Man wrote: »

Could be wrong as I dong know the soccer scene too well but it could be Seaview Celtic?

Just from my own observations I always got the impression with Tramore youngsters, being a beach town, many got into alternative sports like skateboarding and surfing. There was always the skatepark down the end of the prom and a few surf schools. May not have counted for many but I’m sure it probably would have pulled away a few lads from the GAA scene, combined with some of the other factors mentioned in previous posts.

Seaview, would be annstown,dunhill kill,fenor bunmahon area

tommylad1212

Deisegodeo wrote: »

tramore has long been the problem with regard to producing players for county teams, second biggest population centre after the city but a very poor record of producing players and performing at club level.

lots of possible reasons, the town is traditionally a soccer town, two premier dvision clubs in the local league, with tramore afc arguably the strongest team in the league.

for me the biggest reason is the lack of parish rule and young lads living in tramore being brought into clubs in the city for the hurling. I saw lads playing hurling on a green in an estate in tramore a few years back and they all wearing mount sion jerseys.

I would love to see a big focus on improving standards in tramore, with a major focus on getting children involved in the local club. I think we currently have a very good spread across the city and county representing the county teams, from east to west, with the big exception being tramore.

Who was the last tramore player to play county hurling?
Tramore had their own gda in the club couple of years ago not sure if they still do

Gardner

Deisegodeo wrote: »

tramore has long been the problem with regard to producing players for county teams, second biggest population centre after the city but a very poor record of producing players and performing at club level.

lots of possible reasons, the town is traditionally a soccer town, two premier dvision clubs in the local league, with tramore afc arguably the strongest team in the league.

for me the biggest reason is the lack of parish rule and young lads living in tramore being brought into clubs in the city for the hurling. I saw lads playing hurling on a green in an estate in tramore a few years back and they all wearing mount sion jerseys.

I would love to see a big focus on improving standards in tramore, with a major focus on getting children involved in the local club. I think we currently have a very good spread across the city and county representing the county teams, from east to west, with the big exception being tramore.

this. biggest single problem. until this is resolved you can forget about Tramore GAA making any progress.

seananigans

tommylad1212 wrote: »

Who was the last tramore player to play county hurling?
Tramore had their own gda in the club couple of years ago not sure if they still do

I seem remember one lad on the 2016 u21 team but cant find the source right now, wasn't named in the final where i looked at the teamsheet but made the squad, i remember it sticking out because players dont come from tramore usually.

tommylad1212 wrote: »

What's the 3 soccer clubs in tramore? Tramore afc, tramore rangers , .............?

my mistake could remember 2 and thought there was a third, not a soccer person

tommylad1212 wrote: »

Tramore are in this years junior A and junior c, eastern finals this weekend so numbers must be ok,

for a population of 10k hardly anything to write home about, look at clashmore, dubhill ballysaggrt, lismore, stradbally.

imagine what those clubs could do with that kind of catchment .

optiplex780

Looks like there's going to be no fans at any semi or county finals. Big dissapointment.

PTH2009

optiplex780 wrote: »

Looks like there's going to be no fans at any semi or county finals. Big dissapointment.

Yeah and I'd say they will up the price of the streams again now

tommylad1212

seananigans wrote: »

I seem remember one lad on the 2016 u21 team but cant find the source right now, wasn't named in the final where i looked at the teamsheet but made the squad, i remember it sticking out because players dont come from tramore usually.



my mistake could remember 2 and thought there was a third, not a soccer person



for a population of 10k hardly anything to write home about, look at clashmore, dubhill ballysaggrt, lismore, stradbally.

imagine what those clubs could do with that kind of catchment .

It's a start for them they didn't have a 2nd team last year

PTH2009

The County Board should release a streaming package costing say €18-€20 and include both Senior SFs and Final plus Intermediate finals

Stopitwillya

On Tramore
They had a gda recently but his contract is finished so none anymore. Ciaran Boyle was his name and looked like he done some good work.
Barry Whelan is the name of the lad on the all Ireland under 21 winning panel. Only player from Tramore I can think of playing with another club is Eamon Power for Roanmore but their could be others.
Tramore often produce hurlers who make the County squads at under 14 for the Tony Forestall and Sonny Walsh tournaments. Yet these players never make county minor squads. They have a big drop off between these ages.
If things were done right in Tramore they could be competing with Ballygunner.
I heard a few years ago Sean Cullinane was training their adult hurling team and when training was due to start he found all the players out in the field playing a game of rounders. They wouldn't stop their game of rounders to start training so he walked.
Maybe it was only made up but knowing the mentality out their I wouldn't be surprised if the story was true.

mountgomery burns

In fairness, fairly hard to believe that anecdote.