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JesusRef

Motivator wrote: »

Yes they did come close, they’d have won the All Ireland in 2004 if it wasn’t for bad luck on the day against Kilkenny. The whole fiasco with the travel to Dublin on the morning of the game threw the players all out of whack. Add in the fact Mullane was missing that day and the conditions were poor enough. Kilkenny only scored 3-11 and our over reliance on Flynner probably killed us. I can remember Paul O Brien going to latch on a breaking ball about 30 yards from goal and losing his footing at the last second. If he had stayed on his feet he did have been one on one with McGarry, I think we were three points down at the time. We lost by a goal in the end and Kilkenny were well beaten in he Final by a Cork team that we’d beaten in the Munster Final. That team was as close as we came to an All Ireland and it was our best chance.

Kilkenny were playing their third game on the trot after tough games against Clare, one game where they finished with 14 men, it was their 4th game in 5 weeks.... Waterford were rested all that time and still couldn't get them!

I guess Kilkenny just didn't have as many excuses as us looking at the sorry list of lame excuses above 😀😀... Beyond sad

Kk went on to be hammered by Cork in the AI by the way

optiplex780

Anyone seen any of these plans for the walsh park redevelopment? Or know when they will be out?

upthedeise16

Jack Prendergast and Conor Prunty both starting in the under 21, big boost for the team

Jjjjjjjbarry

Gardner wrote: »

Another poster who has memory loss from last years All Ireland :o

Yep and the 2008 team came even closer than the 2004 team by actually getting to the final and look how far away they were.

Point being, All Irelands do not come easy and every team has excuses every year and a good panel of players isn't an automatic ticket to success. Derek came the closest in recent times at senior level and Sean Power actually did the business at minor and under 21. These are facts.


Out if curiosity, who managed the under 21 winning team in 91/92 (can't remember the year)

Ropaire

Tony Mansfield?

Stacksofwacks

Ropaire wrote: »

Tony Mansfield?

Yes it was, along with Peter Power

upthedeise16

Gardner wrote: »

great to hear Billy has been in touch with the new manager and will be on the panel next year.... :rolleyes::o:confused:

It’s obviously just an opinion but having seen Nolan with the county as a minor star and over the last 2 years as under 21 goalie, it’s just my opinion that he is in the top 3 goalies in the county. Saw him in Clonmel against Tipp for the under 21s last week and he was outstanding and having seen him hit frees for Roanmore over the last 3 years he is a serious prospect which he backed up again tonight with 2 great saves and some great frees against a stiff breeze.

The under 21’s performed well tonight and Cork’s key men weren’t as influential as would have been expected. It’s a pity Prunty and Darragh Lyons have had the injuries they have as they may have got game time in the Munster championship otherwise. Unfortunately the Cork half backs started to dominate in the 2nd half and Peter Hogan, Meaney and Jack Prendergast were kept quiet. It was a spirited display and they never gave in and the subs introduced done well like Beecher, Lyons and Daly. A good display but Cork has the more dangerous forwards and took some great scores in the 2nd half.
And that’s a wrap on Waterford intercounty hurling teams for 2018 unfortunately.

Looking forward to the footballers tie against Monaghan but the under 20 have a trip to play Kerry under 20’s who kicked 1-30 last week against Limerick and have won the last 4 minor All-Ireland’s.

one world order

Good outing by Waterford in Cork given how strong Cork are at this level and were unlucky not to win it. Sean Power would be a fantastic manager of the seniors, playing attacking hurling with purpose and positivity. Meant to be a very likeable guy from those on the winning all ireland minors and U21s. Hopefully interclub rivalry with Mount Sion won't rule him out.

DiscoStew

one world order wrote: »

Good outing by Waterford in Cork given how strong Cork are at this level and were unlucky not to win it. Sean Power would be a fantastic manager of the seniors, playing attacking hurling with purpose and positivity. Meant to be a very likeable guy from those on the winning all ireland minors and U21s. Hopefully interclub rivalry with Mount Sion won't rule him out.

It was definitely a positive outing but not without negatives. Some of the substitutions were strange to say the least. Casey was playing very well midfield while his partner was struggling, but Casey replaced early in second half and Mahony remained on all game. Cork noticeably took over in midfield after this change.
I’m not sure how strong our bench was overall but a number of players were struggling greatly in the second half. Hogan, Meaney anoymous more or less, bar one good score from Hogan. Lyons outstanding in first half but his lack of training really told in the second half. JP Lucey was impressive in spells, Henley solid at centre back, Daykin impressive at full back, Curran solid. Nolan could push SOK for the jersey soon if he commits to the panel.

Very interesting to see Shane Bennett there as Maor Uisce, a public show of support for Seán Power’s campaign for next manager possibly?

PTH2009

Hard luck to the under 21s who gave it there all

Sean Power could of added fire to his campaign for the senior job if he wants to go for it. He gave a good interview in the Munster this week and at the end of he Siad this ' I just hope
they’re learning from me. The idea
here is, when looking at the grander
scheme of things, is that some of
these guys will go on and play senior
hurling for Waterford, and if four or
fi ve of those guys progress to senior
over the next couple of years, then I’ll
feel I’ll have done my job. To win it
out would be brilliant but this is the
apex of the development squads, the
very pinnacle before you progress to
the real deal, the big show but yeah, I
still enjoy it enormously, it’s great fun
and as long as I keep enjoying it. I’ll
keep at it, as long as the County Board
want me to do it and the club too, I’m
very happy to do it.”

If Sean wants the job he does need a strong backroom team as Senior management is a different kettle of fish.

cul beag

Back from Cork and huge credit must go to The management for coming so close to pulling off a huge shock. While Sean Power is the manager don’t be fooled as it had Paul Flynn’s handprints all over it.
With limited resources it was a fantastic effort and with a bit of luck especially in the first half we could have been victorious.
Great displays from Nolan, Henley, Prunty(beast) Lyons( definitely ran out of steam due to lack of fitness)while all others worked tirelessly but ultimately wasn’t enough.
Should this management team get the nod? Well if they do it will be Flynn’s Hurling philosophy that will come to the fore that’s a certainty. Kelly was their eye in the stand throughout but it’s hard to see what Kieran O Gorman brings to it?
Maybe James O Connor might be a better fit with the 3 lads.
Yes it’s a huge step up but then again Flynn and co will be working with a better quality of player and I’m intrigued to know how it would work?
While other names have been mentioned and for different reasons will not be successful maybe we these lads deserve a crack at it and maybe add Tony Browne to the set up aswell.

upthedeise16

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/286794

Loughnane isn’t a fan of Derek’s time as manager

puzl

Remember when Loughnane ranted about how he'd win an all Ireland within two years with Galway? I remember.

Then he more or less blamed the galway players for not welcoming him or engaging with him like the clare team had done. He also blamed the bitterness in the club scene. Well all of those things are the job of the manager to solve. All we heard from Loughnane was excuses.

So it's fine for him to scratch his head about why everyone praised DMG's character, and I'd suggest that it's possibly because it's a situation he has never found himself in.

Deiseen

puzl wrote: »

Remember when Loughnane ranted about how he'd win an all Ireland within two years with Galway? I remember.

Then he more or less blamed the galway players for not welcoming him or engaging with him like the clare team had done. He also blamed the bitterness in the club scene. Well all of those things are the job of the manager to solve. All we heard from Loughnane was excuses.

So it's fine for him to scratch his head about why everyone praised DMG's character, and I'd suggest that it's possibly because it's a situation he has never found himself in.

He also went to town on Mullane when he retired. Its an amateur game and writing stuff like that in a paper for a few reads just isnt on.

garv123

upthedeise16 wrote: »

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/286794

Loughnane isn’t a fan of Derek’s time as manager

I kind of think he's right,

Although Derek is clearly very likable person, he had a very poor success rate at waterford,
Saying he won a league is a bit like united fans celebrating the Europa league.. its not good enough for the quality that was on the panel. Maybe if the likes of Offaly won the league it would be a big success for them.

69 games, 31 wins, 32 losses, 6 draws

Bigger teams below copied from FB:

Vs cork 5W 7L 1D

Vs TIP 3W 7L 1D

Vs Limerick 2W 4L 1D

Vs Clare 2W 1D 5L

Vs Galway 2W L2 1D

vs KK 3W 4L 1D

carter10

garv123 wrote: »

I kind of think he's right,

Although Derek is clearly very likable person, he had a very poor success rate at waterford,
Saying he won a league is a bit like united fans celebrating the Europa league.. its not good enough for the quality that was on the panel. Maybe if the likes of Offaly won the league it would be a big success for them.

69 games, 31 wins, 32 losses, 6 draws

Bigger teams below copied from FB:

Vs cork 5W 7L 1D

Vs TIP 3W 7L 1D

Vs Limerick 2W 4L 1D

Vs Clare 2W 1D 5L

Vs Galway 2W L2 1D

vs KK 3W 4L 1D

'the likes of Offaly' ? Yea because we're so much more successful!!!!

puzl

garv123 wrote: »

I kind of think he's right,

Although Derek is clearly very likable person, he had a very poor success rate at waterford,
Saying he won a league is a bit like united fans celebrating the Europa league.. its not good enough for the quality that was on the panel. Maybe if the likes of Offaly won the league it would be a big success for them.

69 games, 31 wins, 32 losses, 6 draws

Bigger teams below copied from FB:

Vs cork 5W 7L 1D

Vs TIP 3W 7L 1D

Vs Limerick 2W 4L 1D

Vs Clare 2W 1D 5L

Vs Galway 2W L2 1D

vs KK 3W 4L 1D

If you'r going to disregard the league as a success then you should really only consider championship matches in his record too.

DiscoStew

puzl wrote: »

If you'r going to disregard the league as a success then you should really only consider championship matches in his record too.

The reality is as popular as he was he delivered no silverware in the championship. Justin did. Davy did. Davy certainly with a lesser team, Justin with a weaker panel but possibly better forwards.
I wouldn’t belittle the league win, it was huge at the time but unfortunately we never pushed on to a Munster championship or AI victory.
He came so close to guiding us to the AI it’s easy to forget. Unfortunately in the black and white of the record books it will only be remembered as a loss.
He obviously did so much for players outside of the confines of the pitch but didn’t get the big championship ones sadly.

cul beag

DiscoStew wrote: »

The reality is as popular as he was he delivered no silverware in the championship. Justin did. Davy did. Davy certainly with a lesser team, Justin with a weaker panel but possibly better forwards.
I wouldn’t belittle the league win, it was huge at the time but unfortunately we never pushed on to a Munster championship or AI victory.
He came so close to guiding us to the AI it’s easy to forget. Unfortunately in the black and white of the record books it will only be remembered as a loss.
He obviously did so much for players outside of the confines of the pitch but didn’t get the big championship ones sadly.

Agreed but this thing of helping players outside of training them is cringeworthy to be honest. That sort of thing has gone on for years behind closed doors and nothing said about it. It’s going on all over the country in other countries and to be fair to Loughnane he has some valid points in the article.

Jjjjjjjbarry

Screw the record books. It was some buzz in the second half of last years All Ireland final. Hopefully the next manager brings us back there and gets us into the melting pot like Derek did.

BazBox

Deiseen wrote: »

He also went to town on Mullane when he retired. Its an amateur game and writing stuff like that in a paper for a few reads just isnt on.

What did he say about Mullane, I can't remember?

PTH2009

Jjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

Screw the record books. It was some buzz in the second half of last years All Ireland final. Hopefully the next manager brings us back there and gets us into the melting pot like Derek did.

hopefully they will but its a big ask

This is our golden generation and could be our best chance of getting the senior title

Think Sean Power will get the job, if so needs a strong backroom team including Paul Flynn

Success wont be instant for whoever takes over and being in 1B could be a blessing as they can experiement playing the likes of Carlow, Laois etc. Obv Galway and Dublin the big tests in the league next year

Blaas4life

PTH2009 wrote: »

hopefully they will but its a big ask

This is our golden generation and could be our best chance of getting the senior title

Think Sean Power will get the job, if so needs a strong backroom team including Paul Flynn

Success wont be instant for whoever takes over and being in 1B could be a blessing as they can experiement playing the likes of Carlow, Laois etc. Obv Galway and Dublin the big tests in the league next year

After nearly a decade of defensive type hurling dating back to Davy Fitz time....


And as soneone who felt and at time encoyraged mcgraths sweeper shouldve been at least been tried for something new


I for one welcome the prospect of some attacking hurling returning to waterford

deise08

Any news on how Stephen is after the match??
Just haven't seen anything anywhere.. didn't look nice seeing him coming off on Sunday..

DiscoStew

deise08 wrote: »

Any news on how Stephen is after the match??
Just haven't seen anything anywhere.. didn't look nice seeing him coming off on Sunday..

Hopefully the lack of comment on it means it’s not as serious as first seemed.

Mastermcgrath

So lads, first time back on here since the last thread closed.... took a break altogether from it for a few weeks (I was probably one of the lads who needed a break lol..) Obviously a lot has happened in between. Were out of the championship and McGrath is gone and its only half way through June.could hardly have predicted that after the AI final last September.
Can't help but resonate with some of what Loughnane says. And Im not or was never one of the anti-McGrath canvassers. But the fawning after him was a bit overboard. He was popular with the players for sure and very media friendly as we know, but success-wise we fell short too many times.
The league win in 2015 and AI final appearance last year were the high points. I have no problem with the style of play if it brings us success but when we were falling short consistently it was time to go. Mind you with the luck we got this year no one could have pulled it of for us so I don't blame him for the early exit either. Derek is one of the games good guys for sure and I thank him for his efforts, but as an intercounty hurling manager he has proven to be fairly limited.
So who next? Sean Powers name is being strongly mentioned. And in theory is entitled to have a go having tasted AI success with many of these players at minor and u21 level playing a swashbuckling brand of hurling. Clare and Limerick have both gone down the route of appointing successful underage managers and both seem to be moving in the right direction. But Id approach this with caution. Bear in mind Power had probably the most talented group of players the county has seen at underage level, and his 2 subsequent u21 teams didn't see any success. Senior intercounty is a whole other world and he would need a strong backroom team behind him if he got the job. And I don't mean Dan as a right hand man!!!
I don't believe the co. board have the funds to go for an Anthony Daly or  a Liam Sheedy, especially with the refurbishment of Walsh Park on the horizon. So that makes the next appointment even more crucial. A talented group of players there definitely capable of getting back to an AI final at least. But careers are getting shorter, and within a few short years another generation may have passed before we know it. So lets get  the best recruitment panel together first, to ensure the best personnel are brought in to oversee the future of this Waterford team.

38gitS

We can see now that the new format requires a different approach in terms of management from the old system.
It’s deficient in that two teams play on four consecutive weekends while the other three have no more than three games week on week.
The odd number of teams means that over time, the effect won’t be negated even if the Munster council tried.
This was and will continue to be significant unless adjusted.
The tight nature of qualification and the effect of local rivalry means that each and every game is highly contested with a “win or bust” attitude.
This has the effect of requiring a high degree of mental focus from players. For amateur players, this is a tall ask.
management will learn to focus on physical recovery but preventing psychological fatigue is far more difficult.
In a number of cases, it may require changing players week on week.
For good management teams this will be an edge, but the spadework must be done during the league in blooding these “seconds”. Then they must be kept ready for their entry.
I would have expected that Derek McGrath was mindful of the demands that his hand required this year. Unfortunately as we know, he can’t have anticipated using just so many of his training group and all at once.
I think we were also going to see a move away from the out and out sweeper so it’s double the pity.
So we look for a new manager.
The key question we need to ask now is what’s the most important aspect of his job with our players?
To me, it’s giving our hurling a direction.
This is first.
Second comes everything else.

cul beag

This Brendan Cummins thing is seriously gathering pace. More than a rumour at this stage. Scary.

Jjjjjjjbarry

cul beag wrote: »

This Brendan Cummins thing is seriously gathering pace. More than a rumour at this stage. Scary.

Probably be negative and stop SOK from scoring 😡

mountgomery burns

Sure last week Derek was staying...