Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 3 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

Village87

The Shefflin clan not happy with Evan being omitted i hear. DJ getting the blame as Micheal Carey is in direct competition with Evan Shefflin. I do follow club hurling as much as anyone else and Evan is much the better hurler and much more potential. Not as fit as he could be but that is something that can be worked on. Micheal Carey also got way more chances and has been very average. Disgrace what is going on.

Stopitwillya

Have heard that Matthew McWey from the village was called in 2 weeks ago. Plenty of speed in that lad.

1984baby

Looks like Cabin Fever is kicking in for a few posters here!!!
We have no idea what's going on behind closed doors. The lads dropped/not playing might have the wrong attitude, carrying slight injuries etc... Blaming DJ for having his son on the squad is laughable. I bet the same people would be saying that Conor Fogarty is only on the team if Martin was still involved as a selector. How many of us said in the early days that Jackie Tyrell was only there because he was from the village...and look how that turned out. Give all the lads their chances, Cody gets ALOT more right than wrong.

Codyout

It’s going on all the time go back to Richie Reid one day he gone from panel next day in 26 for league final . Michail Carey nice young hurler has done nothing to say he should be on panel young kenny for the boro played real well while standing in for Buckley he would have deserved a look at but he no selector . Evan Cody had great year for the boro but he had a bad game a few years back against Clare good boy never seeing again . Will history repeat itself for having a bad game against Clare don’t think so he wearing right jersey .

greenspurs

Codyout wrote: »

It’s going on all the time go back to Richie Reid one day he gone from panel next day in 26 for league final . Michail Carey nice young hurler has done nothing to say he should be on panel young kenny for the boro played real well while standing in for Buckley he would have deserved a look at but he no selector . Evan Cody had great year for the boro but he had a bad game a few years back against Clare good boy never seeing again . Will history repeat itself for having a bad game against Clare don’t think so he wearing right jersey .

What ?!?

Codyout

The biggest joke of all was the way young kelly from olouglins was treated in2016. Any manager that is willing to treat players differently and give preferential treatment to his own club players which he did in 2016 looses the confidence of players . It is not that the players are not there look how easy the shamrocks are making it look . Then again they play real hurling

Garyp88

Yes all managers/coaches in any sport have their own preferences and tactics, also maybe some players have potential but don't flourish and others don't get the chance they possibly should. What some people are forgetting Cody's cv states otherwise won multiple all irelands, leagues and provinces while Coaching some of the greatest players to grace the game. Maybe his tactics are outdated and the game has moved on yet we could quite easily have won last year's all ireland if the red card wouldn't have happened especially when nobody tipped kilkenny to even get there. Say what you want about tactics and players getting chances but Brian Cody is one of the most successful coaches in ANY sport.

conor05

Village87 wrote: »

The Shefflin clan not happy with Evan being omitted i hear. DJ getting the blame as Micheal Carey is in direct competition with Evan Shefflin. I do follow club hurling as much as anyone else and Evan is much the better hurler and much more potential. Not as fit as he could be but that is something that can be worked on. Micheal Carey also got way more chances and has been very average. Disgrace what is going on.

I have to agree about Evan Shefflin, was outstanding for Ballyhale and seemed to get no time for KK seniors and then the chop.
Now I will say there is a massive step up in intensity from club training to inter county hurling training, but I still find it hard to believe he would be so unfit that he wouldn’t be able to last at the training sessions.

He was bombing up the field for Ballyhale scoring points regularly at club all ireland series.

kkclubhurling

Stopitwillya wrote: »

Have heard that Matthew McWey from the village was called in 2 weeks ago. Plenty of speed in that lad.

That’s not true, same player got regraded for Junior with his club only a few weeks back.

I’m sure Brian McEvoy would agree wholeheartedly with ye all that Cody is bias towards Village men.

Few younger lads the last few years have flirted with the best of both worlds lifestyle, rightly or wrongly it’s cost them.

Codyout

The reality for last year was we lost league play off . Any other year we would be relegated . Needed officials to get to final . In final got one if the biggest beatings ever by a kilkenny team in a all Ireland . When tipp went down to 14 in all Ireland semi they hurled there way out of it . The less said about Kilkenny effort the better

Grats

Did some posters not see Evan Shefflin's performances in the latter stages of the Fitzgibbon? He looked knackered and replaced after 15 minutes in the Final. It was said at the time that he was carrying an injury. I would therefore suggest that he, and Shane Walsh who also carried an injury in the club campaign, were advised to go away and give the injuries time to mend. Somebody also hinted that James Maher is sick.

Cody never divulges the reasons for players leaving the panel and in the main that's to their benefit.

conor05

Grats wrote: »

Did some posters not see Evan Shefflin's performances in the latter stages of the Fitzgibbon? He looked knackered and replaced after 15 minutes in the Final. It was said at the time that he was carrying an injury. I would therefore suggest that he, and Shane Walsh who also carried an injury in the club campaign, were advised to go away and give the injuries time to mend. Somebody also hinted that James Maher is sick.

Cody never divulges the reasons for players leaving the panel and in the main that's to their benefit.

In fairness to Evan he was marking the best hurler in the Fitzgibbon cup the Kerry lad Shane Conway.

Surely s few months of inter county hurling would of got his fitness sorted.

Anyway who am I to question Cody, he has seen and done it all and can back it up.

Stopitwillya

Stopitwillya wrote: »

Have heard that Matthew McWey from the village was called in 2 weeks ago. Plenty of speed in that lad.

Barely on the village panel last year.

Grats

conor05 wrote: »

In fairness to Evan he was marking the best hurler in the Fitzgibbon cup the Kerry lad Shane Conway.

Surely s few months of inter county hurling would of got his fitness sorted.

Anyway who am I to question Cody, he has seen and done it all and can back it up.

He was carrying an injury and that's why he was substituted. Fitness and injury aren't the same. Had he picked up the injury with the County I expect he'd have been looked after at County level. He's better off nursing it back with his club.

dastardly00

This is good

https://twitter.com/KilkennyCLG/status/1240687681186582528

conor05

conor05 wrote: »

In fairness to Evan he was marking the best hurler in the Fitzgibbon cup the Kerry lad Shane Conway.

Surely s few months of inter county hurling would of got his fitness sorted.

Anyway who am I to question Cody, he has seen and done it all and can back it up.

He scored two badly needed points for the shamrocks when needed in the club final.

Codyout

Facts are facts. Any manager with Cody’s record in the last 5 years would be gone .
The way he messed around padraig Walsh in Wexford park .
Then you go to thurles v Waterford get a draw from no where then our brain wave to put back on lads that came of injured then left Ollie Walsh on the bench with Jamie Barron running right .
Then last year there one of the worst management performances in all Ireland final he only bettered in 2016 when he had 2 village lads on bench that he could not play because both were injured they were only there to get medals .! Then he stands on the line watching tipp give us another beating . He has being there and done that all right . When fogarty left him we saw real Cody .

greenspurs

Codyout wrote: »

Facts are facts. Any manager with Cody’s record in the last 5 years would be gone .
The way he messed around padraig Walsh in Wexford park .
Then you go to thurles v Waterford get a draw from no where then our brain wave to put back on lads that came of injured then left Ollie Walsh on the bench with Jamie Barron running right .
Then last year there one of the worst management performances in all Ireland final he only bettered in 2016 when he had 2 village lads on bench that he could not play because both were injured they were only there to get medals .! Then he stands on the line watching tipp give us another beating . He has being there and done that all right . When fogarty left him we saw real Cody .

Cha ? Is that you ? :rolleyes:

Swamp_Cat

Stopitwillya wrote: »

Have heard that Matthew McWey from the village was called in 2 weeks ago. Plenty of speed in that lad.

What about the guy who takes the frees for the Village? Guilfoyle or close, I probably murdered the spelling.
I haven't seen a whole lot of the Village but he seems a strong player but unless you see these guys often it's tough to judge how club players will adapt to IC.

JJs Left Hand

Their arguments aren't great but in their defence they are right about our record over the last 5 years. We haven't shown any consistent improvement in our use of the ball and the new players don't appear to be improving to a degree that would inspire confidence in the coaching behind the scenes.

Whereas you look at the teams around us:
Tipperarys use of the ball is consistently accurate and with a purpose to create goals. Goals goals goals.

Similarly, Limericks use of the ball is consistent in its purpose and is of exceptional quality because they are brilliantly coached and still have their individual moments of flair.

Wexford - can anyone here say that they are not performing greater than the sum of their parts. Whatever your opinion of Davy, and I'm far from a fan, his ability to coach a team is top drawer.

Then you look at us and what is our plan? Win your own battle is not a plan anymore. Its admirable and our players willingness to work plus their natural talent in some cases are the reasons we are still a formidable challenge for anyone. The management deserve credit for continually getting a team to work at that level but, if we were properly coached to a degree where we were a better team than the sum of our parts? Imagine how competitive we could be.

Continual changing of the squad is not going to achieve that. Coaching is.

Broader point in that regard, in light of the current isolation. Twitter pages such as Hurling365 in Wexford, coaching officers in Tipp like Barry Mullane, in Cork like Colm Crowley and other independent coaches like Colm McNally are consistently putting up videos of things juveniles could be doing at home to keep their eye in and just engaging with people on Twitter. Maybe I'm just not following the right people but I haven't seen a single video or anything else from Kilkenny GAA or any of our games development officers on what to do. And while I don't know all the coaches involved with the underage development squads, the ones I am aware of don't inspire confidence. I think as a county we have a severe deficit in quality coaching in comparison to other counties but that's just my opinion.

Codyout

I am only putting the facts out there. You can hide from them . Not one person has tried to say what I said were not facts . This year alone we let go young blanchfield top performer under 20 , young Nolan sup for league no game time let go . Young sheflin . James Maher / struggling a bit that’s when a manager shows his worth . What’s the difference between Conor brown and Maher ( jersey ) in last year county final the village people even agree it was a very poor forward display still there 3 of them on county panel

conor05

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

Their arguments aren't great but in their defence they are right about our record over the last 5 years. We haven't shown any consistent improvement in our use of the ball and the new players don't appear to be improving to a degree that would inspire confidence in the coaching behind the scenes.

Whereas you look at the teams around us:
Tipperarys use of the ball is consistently accurate and with a purpose to create goals. Goals goals goals.

Similarly, Limericks use of the ball is consistent in its purpose and is of exceptional quality because they are brilliantly coached and still have their individual moments of flair.

Wexford - can anyone here say that they are not performing greater than the sum of their parts. Whatever your opinion of Davy, and I'm far from a fan, his ability to coach a team is top drawer.

Then you look at us and what is our plan? Win your own battle is not a plan anymore. Its admirable and our players willingness to work plus their natural talent in some cases are the reasons we are still a formidable challenge for anyone. The management deserve credit for continually getting a team to work at that level but, if we were properly coached to a degree where we were a better team than the sum of our parts? Imagine how competitive we could be.

Continual changing of the squad is not going to achieve that. Coaching is.

Broader point in that regard, in light of the current isolation. Twitter pages such as Hurling365 in Wexford, coaching officers in Tipp like Barry Mullane, in Cork like Colm Crowley and other independent coaches like Colm McNally are consistently putting up videos of things juveniles could be doing at home to keep their eye in and just engaging with people on Twitter. Maybe I'm just not following the right people but I haven't seen a single video or anything else from Kilkenny GAA or any of our games development officers on what to do. And while I don't know all the coaches involved with the underage development squads, the ones I am aware of don't inspire confidence. I think as a county we have a severe deficit in quality coaching in comparison to other counties but that's just my opinion.

Wexford are going to see the fruits of Hurling 365 down the line. The appetite in Wexford from all age levels to get to the very top in hurling is ferocious.

I am not saying it isn’t in Kilkenny, but sometimes when you have a very successful period, the standards can drop off across the board.

KK36

We're too lax in Kilkenny. Jobs for the boys (Ned and Pats boys). very poor work being done with development squads, both in terms of quality and quantity. Even Laois are beating us now. Other counties are now light years ahead of us in terms of the planning, coaching and approach. Ah but shur it's grand, we're Kilkenny. We'll always be the best.

JJs Left Hand

conor05 wrote: »

Wexford are going to see the fruits of Hurling 365 down the line. The appetite in Wexford from all age levels to get to the very top in hurling is ferocious.

I am not saying it isn’t in Kilkenny, but sometimes when you have a very successful period, the standards can drop off across the board.

100%. I've seen a ball wall video with Kevin Foley and another video (possibly a crossbar challenge..) with Andrew Shore without even going looking for it. Great engagement by current players. TJ Reid has done a toilet roll roll lift challenge and got Joey Holden and Padraig Walsh to do it as well. That's it. It's ****e.

JJs Left Hand

https://twitter.com/gaa_donegal/status/1240591561911566337?s=19

Even Donegal GAA have put up more stuff about hurling than Kilkenny.

kkclubhurling

Two big issues which I think are going to affect Kilkenny over the next 10 years.

1) The current status of our schools hurling.

If you like at our Secondary Schools in Kilkenny we have

Kierans and CBS in A competitions
Johnstown, Comer and Ferrybank in B competitions
Callan, Ballyhale, Mooncoin, Duiske, Grennan all in C/D competitions

I spoke with a teacher in one of the C schools recently who told me that barring Kierans and CBS in A and Ferrybank in B, every school in Kilkenny had dropped down a level at some stage over the last few years, he mentioned one school who recently went from A to B with one of the best Senior Squads they had ever had.. the reason they gave was "Kierans are too strong". I think that's a rubbish attitude and a rubbish excuse. Ask any young lad and they will want to hurl at the highest level they possibly can. Some of the teachers involved are simply looking to boost their own profile and ego by trying to win B (Which is by no means an easy feat might I add).

I'd break down our schools into two categories
1. Competing the best they can at the correct level (given number of hurlers, size of school etc)
2. Schools dropping down through the divisions to try and win

I do agree however, that we have a very very top heavy situation whereby we've dozens of excellent hurlers warming the benches in Kierans. Even CBS have been hit in recent years, more and more O Loughlins and Boro players are going to Kierans than would have gone a decade ago, ironically from a hurling point of view they'd probably be better off in the CBS. You cannot blame Kierans for this situation, they are not going to turn away students or hurlers, ultimately its up to the other schools to entice them in.

However, I would seriously question some of the coaching in Kierans recent years, given the players theyve had the last few years at senior level youd have to wonder how they didn't win all around them? If you go back through Kierans teams since 2014, how many senior hurlers have they produced for Kilkenny given theyve won 4/5 all Irelands in that time? 7 or 8 out of 80/90 players? No other school in Ireland can call on the same amount of ex county minors and 18/19 year olds with senior club experience as Kierans can year in year out.

The second issue I'd notice which relates to the first in some ways and is an issue within my own club is the amount of underage teams opting to play in B and C with teams that are strong enough to play at a higher grade, a lot of our clubs are for all intents and purposes hiding down in B at u13 and u15 when they should be striving to compete at A with extremely talented teams, last years u13A had 5 teams, B had 16 and C had 17. I understand the fear of a hammering is a very real one but the flip side of it is that by hiding down in a grade that your team is too good for you simply aren't improving your players, it creates a false sense throughout the club.

JJs Left Hand

Agree completely. There was a team in B U15 last year (and I won't name them because its not fair to single them out) who won Div 3 of the National Feile at U14 the year before. I'm sorry but you have to be A if you're winning that. That's not on them, that's on the county board. There has to be 12 teams in A and structure the competition so that your whole year is not over because you get hammered by the Boro or Gowran. If you lose in the first round of championship then there's a secondary competition.

kilkennyboy

Codyout wrote: »

I am only putting the facts out there. You can hide from them . Not one person has tried to say what I said were not facts . This year alone we let go young blanchfield top performer under 20 , young Nolan sup for league no game time let go . Young sheflin . James Maher / struggling a bit that’s when a manager shows his worth . What’s the difference between Conor brown and Maher ( jersey ) in last year county final the village people even agree it was a very poor forward display still there 3 of them on county panel

How did you think Conor Browne did against limerick last year in the simi final
Or dose that not suit your argument. Im afraid evan is just to one paced for the really top level, will win lots with ballyhale but its a big step gerry kelly from borrisoleigh was brought into a tipp training last year and never felt the weight of the ball.all happening to quick for him.as far as i know Maher is happy enough to be gone of panel. Small bit of balance to all your facts all the lads you named would be panellist at best. Kilkenny if we do see a championship this year will be simi finalists and no one bar limerick will be looking forward to that.

kilkennyboy

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Codyout

I thought his performance in semi final as a defender great as attacker no good . He just not good enough hurler . Remember it took officials decision to get to all Ireland . His performance in all Ireland way out of his depth. In the last 2 championship Murphy of comer has got the better of him . County final his performance not up to it . If we are to go by how players have performed against Clare in league remember Evan Cody of the boro how he was treated .conor brown good athlete hurling very limited probably same category as Dermot Coady and I have yet to find some one that thinks he deserved to be on Kilkenny panel . Re your comment about semis final if that what you want to see Kilkenny hurling come to I rather loose I want to watch hurlers hurl the ball use there skills just like the shamrocks I think they called it puke football. I have no interest in watching puke hurling