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NFL Protest Discussion

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    #392
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,373 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    adrian522 wrote: »
    Where does it confirm he was looking for starter money? Where did he turn down a backup job?

    The Broncos one is complete nonsense, that's referring to a possible trade 2 years previously where they were expecting him to take a $5M pay cut. So not surprising he didn't go for that.

    On the 3rd one $9-10 million is hardly starter money or preventing anyone from picking him up. The fact is he wasn't really given a chance by any team in the league and that was due to his protesting of police brutality.

    The idea that Kaepernick doesn't have a job being because of salary demands or that he is just not good enough don't stand up to scrutiny at all.


    AS a GM would you prefer your backup as Winston/Flacco on $1m a year base, or 9-10mn for kapernick ?


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    #393
    adrian522
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,095 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    The facts are that not a single team has offered Kaepernick a contract on any description since 2016.

    And I'd much prefer Kaerpernick than either of those 2 QB's.

    Winston threw as many INT's last season as Kaepernick did in his entire career.


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    #394
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,373 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    adrian522 wrote: »
    The facts are that not a single team has offered Kaepernick a contract on any description since 2016.

    And I'd much prefer Kaerpernick than either of those 2 QB's.

    Winston threw as many INT's last season as Kaepernick did in his entire career.
    On 10x the salary?
    If yes then you are delusional.


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    #395
    adrian522
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,095 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    ELM327 wrote: »
    On 10x the salary?
    If yes then you are delusional.

    Not really 10 times the salary now is it? Given he wasn't offered that by any team.

    The $9m was just a rumour of what he was looking for in contract negotiations.

    The bottom line is that Colin was blackballed from the league and didn't receive a single offer from any team for any amount.


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    #396
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,373 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    adrian522 wrote: »
    Not really 10 times the salary now is it? Given he wasn't offered that by any team.

    The $9m was just a rumour of what he was looking for in contract negotiations.

    The bottom line is that Colin was blackballed from the league and didn't receive a single offer from any team for any amount.
    You have no proof of either of those things.


    No one wants him, he's past it, brings too much baggage, even if he signed at the vet min as a backup QB.


    Look at Vick, who spent years out of the league. He wasn't the same afterwards. He also had baggage, people took a chance on him as a backup (since he accepted backup money).


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    #397
    adrian522
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,095 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    ELM327 wrote: »
    You have no proof of either of those things.


    No one wants him, he's past it, brings too much baggage, even if he signed at the vet min as a backup QB.


    Look at Vick, who spent years out of the league. He wasn't the same afterwards. He also had baggage, people took a chance on him as a backup (since he accepted backup money).

    I don't have proof that he was not offered any deals? It's pretty common knowledge actually. You don't have any proof that he was offered anything and have resorted to posting Internet rumors to back up your claims.

    Vick wasn't the same afterwards but he was still very good and crucially was offered another chance. Arguably the best years of his career were in Philly. Certainly 2010 was right up there, 3000 yards, 21 TDs, 6 INT's plus another 9 rushing TD's.

    In the morality of the NFL dog fighting is OK, but protesting police brutality is not apparently.


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    #398
    raze_them_all_
    Registered Users Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    ELM327 wrote: »
    You have no proof of either of those things.


    No one wants him, he's past it, brings too much baggage, even if he signed at the vet min as a backup QB.


    Look at Vick, who spent years out of the league. He wasn't the same afterwards. He also had baggage, people took a chance on him as a backup (since he accepted backup money).

    Eh didn't vick get a pro bowl nod and lead them to playoffs after his suspension??


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    #399
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    ELM327 wrote: »
    You have no proof of either of those things.

    No one wants him, he's past it, brings too much baggage, even if he signed at the vet min as a backup QB.

    Look at Vick, who spent years out of the league. He wasn't the same afterwards. He also had baggage, people took a chance on him as a backup (since he accepted backup money).

    But you've already conceded that Kaep was ostracised because of what he said and did and it had nothing to do with salary.

    Here is your reaction to the Deshaun Watson comment a few weeks ago...
    ELM327 wrote: »
    Watson should shut up or he'll find himself the next kap

    We're you not pretty much saying Watson would be blackballed just like Kaep?


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    #400
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,010 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Why, were they also former starters still looking for starter money?

    To quote Akiem Hicks - "We signed Mike Glennon". That deal made him $16m in 2017 and then he went on to earn $7.5m across 2 teams in 2018

    What about Chase Daniel getting $7m in 2016?

    We have Nick Foles getting $12m to be a backup in 2018.

    Then you have utter madness of Blake Bortles getting $20m in 2018.

    Your $9-10m number is complete fantasy but even if we took it as being true, the above players show how it isn't an issue in the NFL to overpay backups or poor starters when they feel like it, guys that didn't have the body of work that Kaep has.


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    #401
    Barney92
    Registered Users Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭Barney92


    You have the Colts who have Rivers with a cap hit of 25m this year and Brissett with a cap hit of 21.4m.

    Raiders have both Carr (21.5m) and Mariota (9.1m), as well as another 2m for Nathan Peterman.

    Miami's three qb's have cap hit of 8m (Fitz), 5.5m (Tua) and 2m (Rosen).

    Chargers have Taylor (7.5m) and Herbert.

    Bears - Trubisky (9.3m) and Foles (5.3m)

    That is all based on cap hit this year, if you go by average salary then you can add in a few more team with what are going to be highly paid back ups.


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    #402
    myate
    Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭myate


    All quarterbacks in the NFL are in demand...including second and third string guys. If you have a guy like Mark Sanchez still on a roster in 2018, you can pretty much say that Kaepernick was definitely being blackballed & denied work...regardless of his regression, he still fit a certain way of playing.


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    #403
    MrKingsley
    Registered Users Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭MrKingsley


    Kaepernick was absolutely blackballed. There is no question. At the same time, suing the people who you are trying to get to employ you isn’t going to help.

    And that isn’t putting any blame on Kaep but just an observation. The owners decided that he wasn’t worth the backlash. They should’ve been stronger


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    #404
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,329 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    MrKingsley wrote: »
    Kaepernick was absolutely blackballed. There is no question. At the same time, suing the people who you are trying to get to employ you isn’t going to help.

    And that isn’t putting any blame on Kaep but just an observation. The owners decided that he wasn’t worth the backlash. They should’ve been stronger

    Nothing was going to help him. What else could he possibly have done?


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    #405
    MrKingsley
    Registered Users Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭MrKingsley


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Nothing was going to help him. What else could he possibly have done?

    He couldn’t have done anything else.

    I simply said that trying to sue the people that he wanted to employ him wouldn’t have helped his chances


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    #406
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,329 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    MrKingsley wrote: »
    He couldn’t have done anything else.

    I simply said that trying to sue the people that he wanted to employ him wouldn’t have helped his chances

    He had zero chance if he did nothing. Forcing info out in the open might have increased his chances to miniscule and simultaneously opened the door to compensation for his mistreatment.

    I don't really get your point.


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    #407
    MrKingsley
    Registered Users Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭MrKingsley


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    He had zero chance if he did nothing. Forcing info out in the open might have increased his chances to miniscule and simultaneously opened the door to compensation for his mistreatment.

    I don't really get your point.

    He had zero chance of getting a contract if he did nothing?


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    #408
    Stephen A Smith
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Stephen A Smith


    Bill O’Brien says he’s likely to take a knee with his players this season.


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    #409
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    jack presley wrote: »
    As expected, Drew Brees releases his apology on Instagram.

    You have to wonder what the people who said signing Kaep was too problematic for locker room harmony and that no player is big enough to cause that much disruption in the team a few years ago, think Brees should be released now.

    I mean we all know the answer they'd almost universally give, but still. :D


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    #410
    Trojan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,402 ✭✭✭✭Trojan


    NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell wishes he had 'listened earlier' to Colin Kaepernick

    https://twitter.com/EmmanuelAcho/status/1297669953215246345

    Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black Man: The National Anthem Protest- PT. 1

    NFL Commissioner, Roger Goodell, & I discuss Colin Kaepernick & the protests during the national anthem that polarized America.

    🎙️ The Recognized Authority Podcast



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