24/7 candidates for the next general election.

Stopitwillya

Just interested to hear peoples oponion on the next general election. With our 4 tds being as useful as tits on a bull, if 4 24/7 cardiac care campaigners were to run, would they have any chance of getting elected. I would certainly give them my 1, 2, 3 and 4 on the card.

Gillman1998

Stopitwillya wrote: »

Just interested to hear peoples oponion on the next general election. With our 4 tds being as useful as tits on a bull, if 4 24/7 cardiac care campaigners were to run, would they have any chance of getting elected. I would certainly give them my 1, 2, 3 and 4 on the card.

I think Cullinane is pretty effective. I would like to see Eddie Mulligan elected. Butler I really don't know much about so nothing particular to impress me, similarly Halligan. As an issue it would definitely return at least one TD and would certainly be a factor for me.

BBM77

Stopitwillya wrote: »

Just interested to hear peoples oponion on the next general election. With our 4 tds being as useful as tits on a bull, if 4 24/7 cardiac care campaigners were to run, would they have any chance of getting elected. I would certainly give them my 1, 2, 3 and 4 on the card.

What difference would four 24/7 cardiac care TD’s make? They would have no power, unless the numbers in the Dáil caused the need for the government to do a deal with independents which may even not happen.

The best bet for 24/7 cardiac care is if Paudie Coffey was to be returned as a TD and became a full minister at some point. Frankly hate FG for the way they have treated Waterford since they have been in government this time around. However, realistically having a full minister is how you get your problems solved in this country, need or right mean nothing.

Max Powers

Waste of a td IMO...govt won't need/ bother with a single td when they can deal with other parties.elect a decent td who will be in the party of govt best option and put useless table bangers like halligan out.agree with 2 posters above, not electing coffey was so stupid its hard to credit, cullinane is a good speaker and yeah for FF I'd like to see eddie muligan get nod.hard to say at this stage but if election tomorrow FG would be biggest party so coffey is our best opportunity. If FG went in with SF you'd imagine cullinane would be in the mix.

fitzeyboy.

Max Powers wrote: »

Waste of a td IMO...govt won't need/ bother with a single td when they can deal with other parties.elect a decent td who will be in the party of govt best option and put useless table bangers like halligan out.agree with 2 posters above, not electing coffey was so stupid its hard to credit, cullinane is a good speaker and yeah for FF I'd like to see eddie muligan get nod.hard to say at this stage but if election tomorrow FG would be biggest party so coffey is our best opportunity. If FG went in with SF you'd imagine cullinane would be in the mix.

Wasn't Paudie backing a no vote yesterday? Very small pool of votes to get a seat from.

Jamie2k9

Gillman1998 wrote: »

I think Cullinane is pretty effective. I would like to see Eddie Mulligan elected. Butler I really don't know much about so nothing particular to impress me, similarly Halligan. As an issue it would definitely return at least one TD and would certainly be a factor for me.

What has he achieved?

Stopitwillya

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

What has he achieved?

He has achieved nothing.

The only td to achieve anything for waterford in recent times has been paudie coffey and it was a big mistake by the people of waterford not reelecting him. Instead we elected the likes of deasy and butler.

Really none of our 4 tds are up to the job.

Deiseen

I had actually completely forgotten that we had Deasy as one of our TDs.

Completely and utterly useless.

deisemum

fitzeyboy. wrote: »

Wasn't Paudie backing a no vote yesterday? Very small pool of votes to get a seat from.

Yeah he was a no vote and a lot of my friends along with myself will never vote for him.

Gillman1998

deisemum wrote: »

Yeah he was a no vote and a lot of my friends along with myself will never vote for him.

Is he not entitled to vote no? How does that disqualify him from being a TD? I'm not sure what his personal views have to do with his ability to get things done for the region.

Max Powers

deisemum wrote: »

Yeah he was a no vote and a lot of my friends along with myself will never vote for him.

I wouldn't hold it against him, he did a lot of positive in his time and has potential again.

TheQuietFella

Stopitwillya wrote: »

Just interested to hear peoples oponion on the next general election. With our 4 tds being as useful as tits on a bull, if 4 24/7 cardiac care campaigners were to run, would they have any chance of getting elected. I would certainly give them my 1, 2, 3 and 4 on the card.

You can scream 'Cardiac Care' and make promises until the cows come home but in reality our elected representatives couldn't whip up an ice cream! There is no one in Waterford with any political clout....whatsoever! All yes men!

smalltalk

Deiseen wrote: »

I had actually completely forgotten that we had Deasy as one of our TDs.

Completely and utterly useless.

oh but he has been very busy:(
/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/leo-varadkar-appoints-john-deasy-as-special-us-envoy-1.3139557

Gillman1998

Here's a thought. The latest opinion polls show that the strengthening SF vote makes a coalition more likely next time round. Now FF and FG may make noise about never sharing power with SF but I think that either Leo or Micheal could do a deal with Mary Lou.

In that scenario, let's say Leo is the more pragmatic, you could end up with Paudie Coffey and David Callinane in the Cabinet (Callinane on the basis of his good work on the PAC).

Happy days for Waterford.

fargojones123

I wouldn't vote for anyone who is just promising cardiac care.

What Waterford needs is a minister who actual does his job

Gardner

not a hope in hell would i vote for a 24/7 candidate. what would they achieve? John Halligan has proved that. the decision on whether we get 24/7 will come down to medical professionals within the national review. protests and Facebook pages will not outweigh this. Matt Shanahan is an ultra catholic and supported the No side, Hilary O'Neill posts the same thing week in week out on the SEPAG page and her own personal page. most of it popular rhetoric and stirring things up. Furthermore, having a single issue TD would be worthless. we elect TD's to legislate not parish pump politics.

Deiseen

Are all of them not 24/7 Cardiac Care TDs?

dzilla

Gardner wrote: »

John Halligan has proved that

He is going to rain down hell on the government you know.

Aquos76

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

What has he achieved?

Its quite difficult to achieve anything while in opposition to be fair to him, his work on the public accounts committee hasn't gone unnoticed in many circles.

deisemum wrote: »

Yeah he was a no vote and a lot of my friends along with myself will never vote for him.

You are entitled to your opinion and so should Paudie to be fair to him, I voted yes on Friday as did you I assume, why should the way Paudie voted on this issue affect his decision making on future issues especially concerning Waterford. If and when the North Quays development goes ahead, that wouldn't have been possible without Paudie work while he was a junior minister.

Gardner wrote: »

Not a hope in hell would i vote for a 24/7 candidate. what would they achieve? John Halligan has proved that. the decision on whether we get 24/7 will come down to medical professionals within the national review. protests and Facebook pages will not outweigh this. Matt Shanahan is an ultra catholic and supported the No side, Hilary O'Neill posts the same thing week in week out on the SEPAG page and her own personal page. most of it popular rhetoric and stirring things up. Furthermore, having a single issue TD would be worthless. we elect TD's to legislate not parish pump politics.

This is 100% spot on.

PPN2893

Might be derailing the thread but since there's mention of Paudie voting no in the recent referendum, I'm surprised no one has mentioned Mary Butler. I don't begrudge anyone for voting no in the referendum but she was one of the TDs that voted to not even have the referendum in the first place. I'm less a fan of that than anyone voting against repealing the 8th.

Cabaal

PPN2893 wrote: »

Might be derailing the thread but since there's mention of Paudie voting no in the recent referendum, I'm surprised no one has mentioned Mary Butler. I don't begrudge anyone for voting no in the referendum but she was one of the TDs that voted to not even have the referendum in the first place. I'm less a fan of that than anyone voting against repealing the 8th.

That would be my issue with any TD, now how they voted in the actual ref.
But that they actually voted to stop the citizens of Ireland from exercising their democratic right on an issue that there was clear demand to vote on

PPN2893

Cabaal wrote: »

That would be my issue with any TD, now how they voted in the actual ref.
But that they actually voted to stop the citizens of Ireland from exercising their democratic right on an issue that there was clear demand to vote on

I'd line up with the same thinking. Even if she was a vocal no supporter during the referendum, I'd still consider voting for her depending on her policies. Trying to block the referendum as a politician was putting her own beliefs before the electorate which, ideally, is the opposite of what a politician should do.

Captain Red Beard

Butler and Mulligan both voted against the boundary extension, with Butler being an outspoken no voter on the 8th ref she has also voted against women. How anyone can think of voting FF in Waterford is beyond me.

friendlyfun

Captain Red Beard wrote: »

Butler and Mulligan both voted against the boundary extension, with Butler being an outspoken no voter on the 8th ref she has also voted against women. How anyone can think of voting FF in Waterford is beyond me.

Don't think that's true about Mulligan. He submitted a submission in support of the boundary extension.

friendlyfun

PPN2893 wrote: »

Might be derailing the thread but since there's mention of Paudie voting no in the recent referendum, I'm surprised no one has mentioned Mary Butler. I don't begrudge anyone for voting no in the referendum but she was one of the TDs that voted to not even have the referendum in the first place. I'm less a fan of that than anyone voting against repealing the 8th.

That's inherently undemocratic. To think that she polled the top in this county is even more shocking. These are the people we are sending to represent us.

Wanderer78

even though this is not directly related to this thread, i still think this is very disturbing for the south east

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2018/0613/970285-mental-health/

friendlyfun

The psychiatric facilities at UHW are under severe duress. This is an emergency are TDs need to address immediately.

PPN2893

They sure are. I can't say anything bad about the staff (well a couple were horrible but not all) but I had some problems back in 2011 and the resources at UHW (WRH at the time) were shockingly bad. They just don't have the time to deal with people who aren't an immediate danger to themselves or others. There's a definite feeling that if you're not mid breakdown then your problems are small enough that you can deal with it on your own. There needs to be a major overall in mental health services in Ireland in general and not just Waterford.

Max Powers

There's a national review and they're looking for public opinion on it...takes a few minutes to fill in, not long, everything helps.Don't have link...ye might have heard eddie mulligan talking on radio about it.

PPN2893

Tried finding it but the only survey I found has been closed down. Would give it a go but can't seem to find a link.

somahoney74

fargojones123 wrote: »

I wouldn't vote for anyone who is just promising cardiac care.

What Waterford needs is a minister who actual does his job

Fully agree

azimuth17

https://dohresearch.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_3PpursZru30J1e5

I think this is it on https://health.gov.ie/consultations/

Max Powers

azimuth17 wrote: »

https://dohresearch.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_3PpursZru30J1e5

I think this is it on https://health.gov.ie/consultations/

Fair play, that's it alright, top one

Blaas4life

Captain Red Beard wrote: »

Butler and Mulligan both voted against the boundary extension, with Butler being an outspoken no voter on the 8th ref she has also voted against women. How anyone can think of voting FF in Waterford is beyond me.

She polled wicked strong out west around lismore ballysaggart etc as it was felt she was only canditadate to go back door to door there


How John deasy walks home everytime is beyond me....I'd love to see the stats for his speaking time in the Dail....imo coffee probably deos enough to get relecected and transfers to carry deasy

Been pleasantly suprised how cullinane has done and be disappointed I'd he didn't get a second run (and probably take a lot of halligans votes?)

But halligan and Mary butlers seat are there for the taking if right candidate was to emerge

Gardner

Blaas4life wrote: »

She polled wicked strong out west around lismore ballysaggart etc as it was felt she was only canditadate to go back door to door there


How John deasy walks home everytime is beyond me....I'd love to see the stats for his speaking time in the Dail....imo coffee probably deos enough to get relecected and transfers to carry deasy

Been pleasantly suprised how cullinane has done and be disappointed I'd he didn't get a second run (and probably take a lot of halligans votes?)

But halligan and Mary butlers seat are there for the taking if right candidate was to emerge

the only change in TD's in the next election will be Coffey for Deasy. Halligan and Cullinane will be re-elected in City. there is no decent candidate in the east to challenge those two. Dunphy of PBP is dire and O'Sullivan of the Greens is very poor in any debate i seen her in and having a green TD generally comes with no benefit. Having a 24/7 candidate TD would be a complete disaster for Waterford and politics in general. if they want to run candidates there is a local election around the corner to do so and if successful in a local election it will show everybody how null and void one single issue is.....

the next Dail will be a combination of FG and Ind's again so we need to be clever in how we vote.

Wanderer78

Gardner wrote: »

the only change in TD's in the next election will be Coffey for Deasy. Halligan and Cullinane will be re-elected in City. there is no decent candidate in the east to challenge those two. Dunphy of PBP is dire and O'Sullivan of the Greens is very poor in any debate i seen her in and having a green TD generally comes with no benefit. Having a 24/7 candidate TD would be a complete disaster for Waterford and politics in general. if they want to run candidates there is a local election around the corner to do so and if successful in a local election it will show everybody how null and void one single issue is.....

the next Dail will be a combination of FG and Ind's again so we need to be clever in how we vote.

hard to know how the next ge will go, but ff and fg will do just fine. sadly we re stuck, our political institutions are effectively powerless in the current arrangement within the eu, i do believe it actually doesnt really matter who is now in power, not much can be changed.

as a proud lefty, id have to some what agree with you regarding our political left, they re a disaster

friendlyfun

If we had a workers socialist republic things would work out well

Wanderer78

friendlyfun wrote:

If we had a workers socialist republic things would work out well

Capitalism is here to stay for the foreseeable future, it's probably best we try reshape it so that it works for all

friendlyfun

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Capitalism is here to stay for the foreseeable future, it's probably best we try reshape it so that it works for all

It's a pity. Cuba and North Korea aren't true representation of communism in action. Workers should own the means of production and control their own Labour. It happened in their city before for brief period.

Wanderer78

friendlyfun wrote: »

It's a pity. Cuba and North Korea aren't true representation of communism in action. Workers should own the means of production and control their own Labour. It happened in their city before for brief period.

maybe the encouragement of employee owned work places i.e. co ops, are a good option in the modern economy? capitalism has been an exceptional creation for all

Blaas4life

Gardner wrote: »

the next Dail will be a combination of FG and Ind's again so we need to be clever in how we vote.

Dangerous stragedy there as at least 3 indpedants are at risk including halligan....he's perceived very badly (waterford healy-rays/matty mcgrath) he'll do exceptional to get in on last count next time


I can't see how FG can get the numbers to form an government next time without ff help (would they do that again?)...Unless labour make a lazarus type return to prop them up again?

Gardner

was having a discussion over the weekend with a former Cllr in Waterford (retired) and the whole 24/7 campaign came up. He said while SEPAG and other 24/7 groups can claim that 2 people have died as a result of no 24/7 since the beginning of the protests, the actual figure is one, as communicated by Eamonn Keane on Deise Today last Friday (very contentious issue as stated by Eamonn).
He said the issue is been used as a political football by his own party to score potential votes and he also said there are several personal agendas behind the campaign that will come to fruition in the coming months. Personally i agree with some of the above but its an interesting view and something that should be debated at length.
i personally believe there are more pressing, bigger and serious issues within UHW than 24/7 cardiac care but why aren't they to the forefront of been a top election issue locally?

Wanderer78

Gardner wrote:

was having a discussion over the weekend with a former Cllr in Waterford (retired) and the whole 24/7 campaign came up. He said while SEPAG and other 24/7 groups can claim that 2 people have died as a result of no 24/7 since the beginning of the protests, the actual figure is one, as communicated by Eamonn Keane on Deise Today last Friday (very contentious issue as stated by Eamonn). He said the issue is been used as a political football by his own party to score potential votes and he also said there are several personal agendas behind the campaign that will come to fruition in the coming months. Personally i agree with some of the above but its an interesting view and something that should be debated at length. i personally believe there are more pressing, bigger and serious issues within UHW than 24/7 cardiac care but why aren't they to the forefront of been a top election issue locally?

I know someone that recently died from a heart attack, if rumours are correct, I obviously need to confirm this, emergency response times were disturbingly slow, it should have taken emergency services litterly a few seconds to get to the victim. Even though I know this isn't directly related to what you re saying, I still find it some what disturbing

Max Powers

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I know someone that recently died from a heart attack, if rumours are correct, I obviously need to confirm this, emergency response times were disturbingly slow, it should have taken emergency services litterly a few seconds to get to the victim. Even though I know this isn't directly related to what you re saying, I still find it some what disturbing

Heard of similar things myself, I'd guess a lot of us have,I also heard of people with potential heart issues/attacks putting off calling ambulance out of hours because they know they can't get regional treatment and they don't want to go to cork so they arrive in to UHW Monday morning, hello,I might have had a heart attack or something over the weekend. I.e. people die because they don't have local reasonable access.

BBM77

Have to say I agree with the last few posts. 24/7 cardiac care has become famous for want of a better word. However, the real problem is general lack of resources for the size of population. When the crash happened in 2008 and the government started cutting spending WRH was already like for like getting 10’s of millions less in funding. Remember reading once that one of the hospitals in Dublin serves the same population size as WRH but was getting €20-30 million more funding from the government per year! So, when the government started cutting they were already cutting from a lower base. Those of us old enough to remember will remember that Waterford used to have two hospitals, WRH and the Infirmary plus the maternity hospital. Now there is only one which has to serve as a general hospital for the city and surrounding area and a regional hospital both with less beds than there was in total in the 1980’s for a bigger population.

Wanderer78

BBM77 wrote: »

Have to say I agree with the last few posts. 24/7 cardiac care has become famous for want of a better word. However, the real problem is general lack of resources for the size of population. When the crash happened in 2008 and the government started cutting spending WRH was already like for like getting 10’s of millions less in funding. Remember reading once that one of the hospitals in Dublin serves the same population size as WRH but was getting €20-30 million more funding from the government per year! So, when the government started cutting they were already cutting from a lower base. Those of us old enough to remember will remember that Waterford used to have two hospitals, WRH and the Infirmary plus the maternity hospital. Now there is only one which has to serve as a general hospital for the city and surrounding area and a regional hospital both with less beds than there was in total in the 1980’s for a bigger population.

this is a clear indication of simply, austerity doesnt work, this has been proven worldwide

BBM77

Wanderer78 wrote: »

this is a clear indication of simply, austerity doesnt work, this has been proven worldwide

Think it is more to do with lack of ministers from Waterford over the years. Austerity comes and goes. Unfair resource allocation from government is a long term problem for Waterford.

Wanderer78

BBM77 wrote: »

Think it is more to do with lack of ministers from Waterford over the years. Austerity comes and goes. Unfair resource allocation from government is a long term problem for Waterford.

id both agree and disagree, the effects of measures such as austerity can stay indefinitely, its been well researched now

azimuth17

An undeniable truth.. Unfair resource allocation across every state sector for decades. Have a look at the South East Economic Monitor report by WIT academics in 2017.
https://www.wit.ie/images/uploads/News_PDF/SE_Eco_Monitor_2017_Email.pdf

Gardner

Max Powers wrote: »

Heard of similar things myself, I'd guess a lot of us have,I also heard of people with potential heart issues/attacks putting off calling ambulance out of hours because they know they can't get regional treatment and they don't want to go to cork so they arrive in to UHW Monday morning, hello,I might have had a heart attack or something over the weekend. I.e. people die because they don't have local reasonable access.

wtf! that is one of the most retarded excuses i have ever heard!
hello.... i had a heart attack over the weekend but i dont like the cork road.... but hey im still alive :eek:

Gardner

Matt Shanahan on WLR yesterday stating the same thing over and over again. little bit of a war cry more than anything else and now this morning an attack at Halligan and Butler on Facebook. i wouldn't be surprised if something is announced soon enough about candidates.SF wont be happy with this as they would be appealing to their voters who would be the less educated, influenced by popular rhetoric etc. etc.