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24/7 candidates for the next general election.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 597 ✭✭✭ azimuth17




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭ Max Powers




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 198 ✭✭ Blaas4life


    Butler and Mulligan both voted against the boundary extension, with Butler being an outspoken no voter on the 8th ref she has also voted against women. How anyone can think of voting FF in Waterford is beyond me.

    She polled wicked strong out west around lismore ballysaggart etc as it was felt she was only canditadate to go back door to door there


    How John deasy walks home everytime is beyond me....I'd love to see the stats for his speaking time in the Dail....imo coffee probably deos enough to get relecected and transfers to carry deasy

    Been pleasantly suprised how cullinane has done and be disappointed I'd he didn't get a second run (and probably take a lot of halligans votes?)

    But halligan and Mary butlers seat are there for the taking if right candidate was to emerge


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭ Gardner


    Blaas4life wrote: »
    She polled wicked strong out west around lismore ballysaggart etc as it was felt she was only canditadate to go back door to door there


    How John deasy walks home everytime is beyond me....I'd love to see the stats for his speaking time in the Dail....imo coffee probably deos enough to get relecected and transfers to carry deasy

    Been pleasantly suprised how cullinane has done and be disappointed I'd he didn't get a second run (and probably take a lot of halligans votes?)

    But halligan and Mary butlers seat are there for the taking if right candidate was to emerge


    the only change in TD's in the next election will be Coffey for Deasy. Halligan and Cullinane will be re-elected in City. there is no decent candidate in the east to challenge those two. Dunphy of PBP is dire and O'Sullivan of the Greens is very poor in any debate i seen her in and having a green TD generally comes with no benefit. Having a 24/7 candidate TD would be a complete disaster for Waterford and politics in general. if they want to run candidates there is a local election around the corner to do so and if successful in a local election it will show everybody how null and void one single issue is.....

    the next Dail will be a combination of FG and Ind's again so we need to be clever in how we vote.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,565 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78


    Gardner wrote: »
    the only change in TD's in the next election will be Coffey for Deasy. Halligan and Cullinane will be re-elected in City. there is no decent candidate in the east to challenge those two. Dunphy of PBP is dire and O'Sullivan of the Greens is very poor in any debate i seen her in and having a green TD generally comes with no benefit. Having a 24/7 candidate TD would be a complete disaster for Waterford and politics in general. if they want to run candidates there is a local election around the corner to do so and if successful in a local election it will show everybody how null and void one single issue is.....

    the next Dail will be a combination of FG and Ind's again so we need to be clever in how we vote.

    hard to know how the next ge will go, but ff and fg will do just fine. sadly we re stuck, our political institutions are effectively powerless in the current arrangement within the eu, i do believe it actually doesnt really matter who is now in power, not much can be changed.

    as a proud lefty, id have to some what agree with you regarding our political left, they re a disaster


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭ friendlyfun


    If we had a workers socialist republic things would work out well


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,565 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78


    If we had a workers socialist republic things would work out well


    Capitalism is here to stay for the foreseeable future, it's probably best we try reshape it so that it works for all


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭ friendlyfun


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Capitalism is here to stay for the foreseeable future, it's probably best we try reshape it so that it works for all

    It's a pity. Cuba and North Korea aren't true representation of communism in action. Workers should own the means of production and control their own Labour. It happened in their city before for brief period.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,565 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78


    It's a pity. Cuba and North Korea aren't true representation of communism in action. Workers should own the means of production and control their own Labour. It happened in their city before for brief period.

    maybe the encouragement of employee owned work places i.e. co ops, are a good option in the modern economy? capitalism has been an exceptional creation for all


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 198 ✭✭ Blaas4life


    Gardner wrote: »
    the next Dail will be a combination of FG and Ind's again so we need to be clever in how we vote.

    Dangerous stragedy there as at least 3 indpedants are at risk including halligan....he's perceived very badly (waterford healy-rays/matty mcgrath) he'll do exceptional to get in on last count next time


    I can't see how FG can get the numbers to form an government next time without ff help (would they do that again?)...Unless labour make a lazarus type return to prop them up again?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭ Gardner


    was having a discussion over the weekend with a former Cllr in Waterford (retired) and the whole 24/7 campaign came up. He said while SEPAG and other 24/7 groups can claim that 2 people have died as a result of no 24/7 since the beginning of the protests, the actual figure is one, as communicated by Eamonn Keane on Deise Today last Friday (very contentious issue as stated by Eamonn).
    He said the issue is been used as a political football by his own party to score potential votes and he also said there are several personal agendas behind the campaign that will come to fruition in the coming months. Personally i agree with some of the above but its an interesting view and something that should be debated at length.
    i personally believe there are more pressing, bigger and serious issues within UHW than 24/7 cardiac care but why aren't they to the forefront of been a top election issue locally?


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,565 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78


    Gardner wrote:
    was having a discussion over the weekend with a former Cllr in Waterford (retired) and the whole 24/7 campaign came up. He said while SEPAG and other 24/7 groups can claim that 2 people have died as a result of no 24/7 since the beginning of the protests, the actual figure is one, as communicated by Eamonn Keane on Deise Today last Friday (very contentious issue as stated by Eamonn). He said the issue is been used as a political football by his own party to score potential votes and he also said there are several personal agendas behind the campaign that will come to fruition in the coming months. Personally i agree with some of the above but its an interesting view and something that should be debated at length. i personally believe there are more pressing, bigger and serious issues within UHW than 24/7 cardiac care but why aren't they to the forefront of been a top election issue locally?


    I know someone that recently died from a heart attack, if rumours are correct, I obviously need to confirm this, emergency response times were disturbingly slow, it should have taken emergency services litterly a few seconds to get to the victim. Even though I know this isn't directly related to what you re saying, I still find it some what disturbing


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭ Max Powers


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    I know someone that recently died from a heart attack, if rumours are correct, I obviously need to confirm this, emergency response times were disturbingly slow, it should have taken emergency services litterly a few seconds to get to the victim. Even though I know this isn't directly related to what you re saying, I still find it some what disturbing
    Heard of similar things myself, I'd guess a lot of us have,I also heard of people with potential heart issues/attacks putting off calling ambulance out of hours because they know they can't get regional treatment and they don't want to go to cork so they arrive in to UHW Monday morning, hello,I might have had a heart attack or something over the weekend. I.e. people die because they don't have local reasonable access.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭ BBM77


    Have to say I agree with the last few posts. 24/7 cardiac care has become famous for want of a better word. However, the real problem is general lack of resources for the size of population. When the crash happened in 2008 and the government started cutting spending WRH was already like for like getting 10’s of millions less in funding. Remember reading once that one of the hospitals in Dublin serves the same population size as WRH but was getting €20-30 million more funding from the government per year! So, when the government started cutting they were already cutting from a lower base. Those of us old enough to remember will remember that Waterford used to have two hospitals, WRH and the Infirmary plus the maternity hospital. Now there is only one which has to serve as a general hospital for the city and surrounding area and a regional hospital both with less beds than there was in total in the 1980’s for a bigger population.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,565 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78


    BBM77 wrote: »
    Have to say I agree with the last few posts. 24/7 cardiac care has become famous for want of a better word. However, the real problem is general lack of resources for the size of population. When the crash happened in 2008 and the government started cutting spending WRH was already like for like getting 10’s of millions less in funding. Remember reading once that one of the hospitals in Dublin serves the same population size as WRH but was getting €20-30 million more funding from the government per year! So, when the government started cutting they were already cutting from a lower base. Those of us old enough to remember will remember that Waterford used to have two hospitals, WRH and the Infirmary plus the maternity hospital. Now there is only one which has to serve as a general hospital for the city and surrounding area and a regional hospital both with less beds than there was in total in the 1980’s for a bigger population.

    this is a clear indication of simply, austerity doesnt work, this has been proven worldwide


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭ BBM77


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    this is a clear indication of simply, austerity doesnt work, this has been proven worldwide

    Think it is more to do with lack of ministers from Waterford over the years. Austerity comes and goes. Unfair resource allocation from government is a long term problem for Waterford.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,565 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78


    BBM77 wrote: »
    Think it is more to do with lack of ministers from Waterford over the years. Austerity comes and goes. Unfair resource allocation from government is a long term problem for Waterford.

    id both agree and disagree, the effects of measures such as austerity can stay indefinitely, its been well researched now


  • Registered Users Posts: 597 ✭✭✭ azimuth17


    An undeniable truth.. Unfair resource allocation across every state sector for decades. Have a look at the South East Economic Monitor report by WIT academics in 2017.
    https://www.wit.ie/images/uploads/News_PDF/SE_Eco_Monitor_2017_Email.pdf


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭ Gardner


    Max Powers wrote: »
    Heard of similar things myself, I'd guess a lot of us have,I also heard of people with potential heart issues/attacks putting off calling ambulance out of hours because they know they can't get regional treatment and they don't want to go to cork so they arrive in to UHW Monday morning, hello,I might have had a heart attack or something over the weekend. I.e. people die because they don't have local reasonable access.

    wtf! that is one of the most retarded excuses i have ever heard!
    hello.... i had a heart attack over the weekend but i dont like the cork road.... but hey im still alive :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭ Gardner


    Matt Shanahan on WLR yesterday stating the same thing over and over again. little bit of a war cry more than anything else and now this morning an attack at Halligan and Butler on Facebook. i wouldn't be surprised if something is announced soon enough about candidates.SF wont be happy with this as they would be appealing to their voters who would be the less educated, influenced by popular rhetoric etc. etc.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,565 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78


    Gardner wrote: »
    Matt Shanahan on WLR yesterday stating the same thing over and over again. little bit of a war cry more than anything else and now this morning an attack at Halligan and Butler on Facebook. i wouldn't be surprised if something is announced soon enough about candidates.SF wont be happy with this as they would be appealing to their voters who would be the less educated, influenced by popular rhetoric etc. etc.

    thats a bit uncalled for in fairness, nobody has the right to say that about any voter


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭ Gardner


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    thats a bit uncalled for in fairness, nobody has the right to say that about any voter

    if you read the comments under the status i'm talking about my point is very much proved!


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,565 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78


    Gardner wrote:
    if you read the comments under the status i'm talking about my point is very much proved!


    Please do explain? People should be allowed to vote for who they like, it is their vote, and their vote alone, out of respect, we should all respect each others preferences, even if we do not agree with their choices.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭ Gardner


    with yesterdays announcement being a very positive step, i sat back last night and read the various Facebook pages. some notable points:

    1. David Cullinane praised for "his work" on the issue while the main contributor and leading the campaign John Halligan was lambasted and abused!

    2. the protest groups are simply never happy with any sort of progress. one person in particular from the protest group Des Griffin praised Cullinane and went on the attack against Halligan. He further went on to state that tendering and procurement should only take 6 weeks and construction should start by the end of August and should be finished within a matter of weeks. Is Des an expert in the whole tendering and procurement area and with his 'expertise' does he know of loopholes within the system to speed things up? does he **** like :D Is he a construction expert that knows the methodology in all forms of construction? :D As David Cullinane stated "people are been feed misinformed by ill informed people" and this is very dangerous.

    3. Darren Skelton is a very poor journalist. he claims to well informed on the matter and patted himself on the back when he said he saw one of these labs..... a 3d graphic presentation. you couldn't make this **** up :D


  • Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 8,828 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Aquos76


    Gardner wrote: »
    3. Darren Skelton is a very poor journalist. he claims to well informed on the matter and patted himself on the back when he said he saw one of these labs..... a 3d graphic presentation. you couldn't make this **** up :D

    What are you basing this statement on, because I can’t think of another journalist locally who has reported on almost every single issue which arises in Waterford. Wasn’t it Darren who also broke the North Quays story as far back as March 2017?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭ friendlyfun


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    thats a bit uncalled for in fairness, nobody has the right to say that about any voter

    He's probably right. Sinn Fein are all bark and no bite.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,565 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78


    He's probably right. Sinn Fein are all bark and no bite.

    people should be allowed to vote for who they like, and not be lambasted for their choice, is that not what democracy actually is about? are all politicians 'all bark than bite', do any of them any real power?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,088 ✭✭✭ kuang1


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    people should be allowed to vote for who they like, and not be lambasted for their choice, is that not what democracy actually is about?c

    No it's only about the first part of what you said.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 534 ✭✭✭ Stopitwillya


    With Matt Shanahan about to top the poll in the local elections, it looks likely that he would be in a strong position to get elected as a TD whenever that election is.

    Personally he was in the wrong area for me to vote for him this time but I will certainly be voting for him in a general election.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭ twistables


    Why?
    Have we not sent enough independents up to Dail Eireann only to be left disappointed and be the first to complain and winge when Waterford gets left behind.
    Time for strategic voting from the people of Waterford.


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