Tommy Robinson jailed

SnakePlissken

FTA69 wrote: »

https://m.facebook.com/PeoplesMomentum/video_grid/?ref=content_filter
First of all the quotes, if you look at the above list of videos and pick the Tommy one near the top it has him, on video, saying the above statements and more besides.

As I said, I'm always open to new information, and after looking at the video I freely admit to sharing your view that some of those terms he has used in the past are indeed just as ill-judged and childish as calling those with differing viewpoints "spastics".

SnakePlissken

Grayson wrote: »

He didn't expose them. Yes, police and social services made mistakes but the only reason we know about this is because the system eventually worked.

Thousands of vulnerable young girls sexually exploited for years because many of those in authority were too frightened of being labelled as racist to expose the level of abuse**... but the system worked eventually so nothing to be outraged by?

**Not my opinion, this is fact as highlighted by the Jay Inquire.

Grayson wrote: »

We had all heard about it in the news before Robinson got on board.

This is simply not true and is confusing the chronologically of events, Tommy Robinson was highly vocal about these gangs years before their report by the Mainstream Media.

ohnonotgmail

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Thousands of vulnerable young girls sexually exploited for years because many of those in authority were too frightened of being labelled as racist to expose the level of abuse**... but the system worked eventually so nothing to be outraged by?

**Not my opinion, this is fact as highlighted by the Jay Inquire.


This is simply not true and is confusing the chronologically of events, Tommy Robinson was highly vocal about these gangs years before their report by the Mainstream Media.

Can you tell us on what page in the interim report Tommy is mentioned as exposing this scandal?

Grayson

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Thousands of vulnerable young girls sexually exploited for years because many of those in authority were too frightened of being labelled as racist to expose the level of abuse**... but the system worked eventually so nothing to be outraged by?

**Not my opinion, this is fact as highlighted by the Jay Inquire.


This is simply not true and is confusing the chronologically of events, Tommy Robinson was highly vocal about these gangs years before their report by the Mainstream Media.

No he wasn't. Every single case he's reported on was after they were charged and normally when they were on trial. And they had extensive media coverage. Everyone had heard about it beforehand.

And yes, i said they made mistakes. They were horrible mistakes that had a horrible effect on the victims. But they were investigated by the media. There was an official inquiry and none of it was because of Tommy Robinson.

jmayo

Jayne Senior in 2011 was responsible for blowing the whistle on the industrial scale of the Rotherham child grooming gang.

Andrew Norfolk of The Times started investigating the Rotherham grooming gang in 2010.
He really brought it to prominence.

On the 5th of January, 2011, The Times newspaper launched an exclusive four-page exposn the “sexual exploitation of hundreds of young British girls by criminal pimping gangs”. The article talked about on-street grooming, and that most of the victims were white and that most of the convicted offenders are of Pakistani heritage.

On a Feb 1st 2011 BBC Newsnight interview with Jeremy Paxman, Tommy Robinson then head of EDL says at one stage ...

Do you know anyone that is hooked on herion sold to them by a muslim gang?
You probably don't, I do.
Do you know any beautiful girls that you went to school with that are now wearing a burka, that don't see their family?
You probably don't, I do.
Do you know anyone murdered by a muslim gang?
You probably don't, I do.
Do you know how many 15 year old girls, that you know, that you have grown up with, that have been raped or pimped?
You don't, so I don't expect you to understand ...
...
Are we going to pretend muslim groups are not out there purposely targeting our youth and pimpin them ?

BTW to have made it onto Newsnight as a guest he had to already have a reasonably high profile and he did through the EDL.


But Julie Blindel had been investigating since the 90s, but it took until 2007 for someone to publish her findings because it was deemed too sensitive.
And that it would be used by National Front or BNP.
Of course by then they were already using this.

She was involved in a charity started by, Ireene Ivison, the mother of a young murdered prostitutes who been groomed from early age and had gathered lots of information from families, victims, etc.

WinnyThePoo

jmayo wrote: »

Says more about you than any of his so called supporters.

His 'so called supporters' :pac::pac::pac:

You mean Tommeh's spastics? Has a ring to it.

terryduff12

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

His 'so called supporters' :pac::pac::pac:

You mean Tommeh's spastics? Has a ring to it.

What a spastic thing to say

jmayo

terryduff12 wrote: »

What a spastic thing to say

It is no use arguing of even trying to debate with some.

They actually want you to start labeling them back so they can run to one of the mods, who more often than not share the same worldview, to have you banned.

BTW the laugh is you have some left minded folks decrying fascists, nazis, etc whilst at the same time admitting they want to see some get a good kicking.

The irony.
Two cheeks of the same ar** is the best summation.

Captain Obvious

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Who's they? Tommy Robinson certainly didn't lend any support following his conviction.

Tommy and the EDL

WinnyThePoo

jmayo wrote: »

terryduff12 wrote: »

What a spastic thing to say

It is no use arguing of even trying to debate with some.

They actually want you to start labeling them back so they can run to one of the mods, who more often than not share the same worldview, to have you banned.

BTW the laugh is you have some left minded folks decrying fascists, nazis, etc whilst at the same time admitting they want to see some get a good kicking.

The irony.
Two cheeks of the same ar** is the best summation.

What is there to debate about?.

You don't like the term spastic. I suggest you suck it up.

Stephen Yaxley lennon is not a warrior for justice. His actions past and present are at the best often times mindlessly dumb.

Tommeh's spastics has a ring to it.

With a little bit of thought and a little bit of logic. No one could possibly be enamoured with the chap.
Hes done nothing. He will do nothing. Facebook likes are his game.

SnakePlissken

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Tommy and the EDL

You have a reputable source for that of course, one which states Tommy Robinson lended support to a child abuser after their conviction.

terryduff12

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

What is there to debate about?.

You don't like the term spastic. I suggest you suck it up.

Stephen Yaxley lennon is not a warrior for justice. His actions past and present are at the best often times mindlessly dumb.

Tommeh's spastics has a ring to it.

With a little bit of thought and a little bit of logic. No one could possibly be enamoured with the chap.
Hes done nothing. He will do nothing. Facebook likes are his game.

WinnyTheSpastic Used my logic on the one, nice ring to it too.
Don`t remember saying i either like or don't like the saying either.

WinnyThePoo

terryduff12 wrote: »

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

What is there to debate about?.

You don't like the term spastic. I suggest you suck it up.

Stephen Yaxley lennon is not a warrior for justice. His actions past and present are at the best often times mindlessly dumb.

Tommeh's spastics has a ring to it.

With a little bit of thought and a little bit of logic. No one could possibly be enamoured with the chap.
Hes done nothing. He will do nothing. Facebook likes are his game.

WinnyTheSpastic Used my logic on the one, nice ring to it too.
Don`t remember saying i either like or don't like the saying either.

That's amazing. The creativity that went into that. As usual thr wonders of life prevail.

Captain Obvious

SnakePlissken wrote: »

You have a reputable source for that of course, one which states Tommy Robinson lended support to a child abuser after their conviction.

Sure



https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/176587/Paedo-rap-for-EDL-leader

Lennon, also known as Tommy Robinson, backed the group’s founder member Richard Price, 41, after he was convicted of child porn charges.


After he was jailed for three months for threatening behaviour at the rally, the EDL launched a campaign to free him and Lennon claimed Price had been “stitched up”.


After a barrage of criticism from EDL members, Lennon later retracted the statement and said: “We completely condemn Richard Price.”

SnakePlissken

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Sure



https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/176587/Paedo-rap-for-EDL-leader

Very poorly written article, or dare I say, purposely written poorly to confuse those who use it as their only source.

No, Tommy Robinson did not support Richard Price after his conviction for possession of child porn, he supported him only after his arrest for affray at an EDL rally, once the evidence against Price was confirmed, long before his conviction, Tommy Robinson did indeed condemn his former associate. But don't let the facts get in the way of your continuous claim of Tommy Robinson being supportive of child abusers.

Billy86

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Very poorly written article, or dare I say, purposely written poorly to confuse those who use it as their only source.

No, Tommy Robinson did not support Richard Price after his conviction for possession of child porn, he supported him only after his arrest for affray at an EDL rally, once the evidence against Price was confirmed, long before his conviction, Tommy Robinson did indeed condemn his former associate. But don't let the facts get in the way of your continuous claim of Tommy Robinson being supportive of child abusers.

So you have a reputable source for that version of events?

super_furry

Billy86 wrote: »

So you have a reputable source for that version of events?

Red it on facebook mate.

SnakePlissken

Billy86 wrote: »

So you have a reputable source for that version of events?

A claim was made that Tommy Robinson supported a child abuser after their conviction of same, had he done so I'm sure a reputable source can be provided to substantiate this, an appallingly wriiten article in the revered online edition of The Daily Star isn't particularly trustworthy.

Billy86

SnakePlissken wrote: »

A claim was made that Tommy Robinson supported a child abuser after their conviction of same, had he done so I'm sure a reputable source can be provided to substantiate this.

So... no then, you don't have a source to counter that which was provided to you?

I mean it was you that was demanding a source to believe what you were being claimed. Now you're trying to claim that the source provided was wrong, so you'll need to provide a source to counter it or you don't really have a leg to stand on.

tiger55

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwEP-TcujeU

Captain Obvious

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Very poorly written article, or dare I say, purposely written poorly to confuse those who use it as their only source.

No, Tommy Robinson did not support Richard Price after his conviction for possession of child porn, he supported him only after his arrest for affray at an EDL rally, once the evidence against Price was confirmed, long before his conviction, Tommy Robinson did indeed condemn his former associate. But don't let the facts get in the way of your continuous claim of Tommy Robinson being supportive of child abusers.

The opening line is.

Lennon, also known as Tommy Robinson, backed the group’s founder member Richard Price, 41, after he was convicted of child porn charges.

No ambiguity there. Has Tommy brought successful libel proceedings against this publication or have you another source for your claim?

Odhinn

tiger55 wrote: »

.................

A 'white nationalist'? Classy.

SnakePlissken

Billy86 wrote: »

I mean it was you that was demanding a source to believe what you were being claimed.

Almost as poorly written as the referenced article.

Captain Obvious stated Tommy Robinson supported a child abuser post conviction, I doubted this claim and asked for a source, what was provided was an article from the online edition of The Daily Star. It is your bias that allows you to accept this sole article as proof of Captain Obvious' statement, I'm much more discerning as to what sources I hold with any respect. Lord knows he has enough detractors, had he done what Captain Obvious has claimed I'm sure he can link to a Times or even, dare I say, a Guardian article as evidence... the online Daily Star? I'm going to have to pass.

Billy86

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Almost as poorly written as the referenced article.

Captain Obvious stated Tommy Robinson supported a child abuser post conviction, I doubted this claim and asked for a source, what was provided was an article from the online edition of The Daily Star. It is your bias that allows you to accept this sole article as proof of Captain Obvious' statement, I'm much more discerning as to what sources I hold with any respect. Lord knows he has enough detractors, had he done what Captain Obvious has claimed I'm sure he can link to a Times or even, dare I say, a Guardian article as evidence... the online Daily Star? I'm going to have to pass.

You're not denying that price had child porn, or that robinson defended him. But you are claiming these happened in a different order that changes everything, with nothing to back it up.

We both know Yaxley loves some litigation. Why didn't he press charges here? If it were false he would have. Yet he didn't as far as I can see.

Don't forget, you set the rule by asking for sources, if you can't provide sources of your own then you've no leg to stand on, as you're not even hitting the standard that you laid out to the other poster.

So in summary... you've got no source for your claim then?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

SnakePlissken wrote: »

A claim was made that Tommy Robinson supported a child abuser after their conviction of same, had he done so I'm sure a reputable source can be provided to substantiate this, an appallingly wriiten article in the revered online edition of The Daily Star isn't particularly trustworthy.

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Almost as poorly written as the referenced article.

Captain Obvious stated Tommy Robinson supported a child abuser post conviction, I doubted this claim and asked for a source, what was provided was an article from the online edition of The Daily Star. It is your bias that allows you to accept this sole article as proof of Captain Obvious' statement, I'm much more discerning as to what sources I hold with any respect. Lord knows he has enough detractors, had he done what Captain Obvious has claimed I'm sure he can link to a Times or even, dare I say, a Guardian article as evidence... the online Daily Star? I'm going to have to pass.

Ok - so from The Times, as you wish:

The far-right group launched a campaign to free Richard Price, an organiser for the EDL in the West Midlands, after he was jailed last month for violent behaviour. But Price, 41, had been convicted in June 2010 of making four indecent images of children, and possessing cocaine and crack cocaine.
Price, from Quinton, Birmingham, and Collum Keyes, 23, also from Birmingham, were among 12 people arrested when they surged through police lines during a protest in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, in May 2010.

When that case came to court in December, Price admitted using threatening behaviour. He was jailed for three months and given a ten-year Criminal Anti-Social Behaviour Order banning him from attending marches outside Birmingham. Keyes, who admitted disorderly conduct, was fined £150.

When Price was jailed, EDL members launched a campaign urging supporters to write to the Prime Minister and MPs to try to “win justice for Richard Price, EDL”.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/far-right-hero-is-a-convicted-paedophile-z6pb87rr2q5 (needs an account)

So, timeline:
May 2010 - Arrested at a protest in Aylesbury
June 2010 - Convicted of child porn offense
Dec 2010 - Jailed for three months as a result of the arrest in Aylesbury.

At this point, the EDL launch campaign to "win justice".

Conclusion: article makes no claim, but it's probable that they did know and at least should really have known.

(Unrelaed to link: it appears from other sources that they initially tried to claim that the police raid was unfair or uncalled for; and only condemned him after EDL members complained)

SnakePlissken

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/far-right-hero-is-a-convicted-paedophile-z6pb87rr2q5 (needs an account)

That indeed appears to be a credible source, I humbly stand corrected.

Dante7

SnakePlissken wrote: »

That indeed appears to be a credible source, I humbly stand corrected.

Although it does seem that Robinson was defending him against the disorder charge, as opposed to the other charges.

super_furry

Think it's always worth remembering that this subtle, understated and very tasteful artwork exists.

tiger55

Is it not obvious to people that Tommy works for the security services?

Odhinn

tiger55 wrote: »

Is it not obvious to people that Tommy works for the security services?

You mean like yer man the "white nationalist" thinks?