Looking for an SUV.

obi604

The other half wants a new vehicle, an SUV.
I know there are other cars out there, but an SUV is what is wanted:)
We have 2 small children under 4.
we want a 5 seater.
budget in total is max 18-19k.

Here is how the car would typically be used.

3 times a week doing a 30 mile round trip. 25 miles motorway, the rest traffic and getting on to motorway.
picking kids up and dropping them off in local school etc
shopping 10 miles away.
shopping locally 2 miles away.
would be the main car at weekends for excursions with family.
would be used maybe every 6 weeks for 200+ mile journeys on motorways.
annual mileage roughly = 15,000 miles.

Looking for a reliable SUV that gives decent MPG in the above scenarios. Can anybody recommend an SUV?

biko

See if any of these fit the bill
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars?bodyType=SUV&price_from=1111&price_to=18000
https://www.adverts.ie/for-sale/cars-motorbikes-boats/cars/2/price_1111-18000/bodytype_SUV/enginesize_*-*/

obi604

biko wrote: »

See if any of these fit the bill
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars?bodyType=SUV&price_from=1111&price_to=18000
https://www.adverts.ie/for-sale/cars-motorbikes-boats/cars/2/price_1111-18000/bodytype_SUV/enginesize_*-*/

A lot of them probably would. But not sure on reliability and mpg for my driving style.

biko

On www.fuelly.com you can find real-world mpg for each model you look at.
On www.reliabilityindex.com you can see if the car you choose is in the top 100

obi604

I presume based on the yearly mileage and driving style that I don't necessarily need a diesel?

patrickcost

Wouldnt recommended a diesel car as diesel taxes might just come in to place

Lantus

Probably a quashqai is what you looking for or similar?

obi604

Lantus wrote: »

Probably a quashqai is what you looking for or similar?

Hmmm. Didn’t like the old Qashqui but the newer one looks nice.

Would the 1.2 petrol be a bit underpowered ?

J.R.

obi604 wrote: »

Hmmm. Didn’t like the old Qashqui but the newer one looks nice.

Would the 1.2 petrol be a bit underpowered ?

Check 1.2 petrol reviews - lots of owners complaining about oil consumption

obi604

J.R. wrote: »

Check 1.2 petrol reviews - lots of owners complaining about oil consumption

Sugar. Ok right. So issues already.

bazz26

patrickcost wrote: »

Wouldnt recommended a diesel car as diesel taxes might just come in to place

This gets bantered around every few months since hybrids and electric vehicles started to become trendy but there is no evidence to suggest that the Government will do anything because it would be political suicide given the amount of voters out there that drive diesels. Now diesels and petrols at a lower rate will eventually be phased out but there will be no hard switch overnight, not in the country anyway.

OP, didn't you have a thread here recently about poor the fuel economy was on your Hyundai ix35 because it was used for mostly short start/stop journeys?

Here it is:
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057867704

Have you done any maths into how long it will take you to make the cost of spending thousands changing cars back in fuel savings? The most cost effective way to keep running costs down would be to keep your existing car.

obi604

bazz26 wrote: »

This gets bantered around every few months since hybrids and electric vehicles started to become trendy but there is no evidence to suggest that the Government will do anything because it would be political suicide given the amount of voters out there that drive diesels. Now diesels and petrols at a lower rate will eventually be phased out but there will be no hard switch overnight, not in the country anyway.

OP, didn't you have a thread here recently about poor the fuel economy was on your Hyundai ix35 because it was used for mostly short start/stop journeys?

Here it is:
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057867704

Have you done any maths into how long it will take you to make the cost of spending thousands changing cars back in fuel savings? The most cost effective way to keep running costs down would be to keep your existing car.

Yeah. The diesel thing in this country can’t stop overnight, would be carnage.

Yep, had that thread. We normally change herselves car every 3 years anyway. Don’t go out much anymore so may as well have a half decent car

So this time, want to buy one that gives better mpg.

bazz26

Fair enough. Not too many petrol SUVs about within your price range.

Nissan Qashqai comes to mind:
https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2014107&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D61%26o%5B%5D%3D1145%26f%3D1%26yn%3D2012%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

Suzuki Vitara:
https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2028938&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D85%26o%5B%5D%3D714%26f%3D1%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

bazz26

Skoda Yeti also:
https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=1982457&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D80%26o%5B%5D%3D2115%26f%3D1%26yn%3D2012%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

obi604

Thanks. Of them 3 , would prefer the Qashqai.

Just had a quick gander on DoneDeal.

Looks like one can get the 1.5 diesel for more a less the same price as a 1.2 petrol. Both 2015

bazz26

But as from your other thread your driving style doesn't benefit from diesel.

chicorytip

Nissan Juke. The design tends to divide opinion but it's a good driving and reliable car although less spacious than a Qashqai.

obi604

bazz26 wrote: »

But as from your other thread your driving style doesn't benefit from diesel.

True. But also seems the mpg figures from the ix35 in general are fairly bad.

lardzeppelin

Just as a brand, Kia, 7 year warranty, good residuals, a decent range of body options to cover for families of all sizes... We have 2, and they just keep on going, in the garage for routine services each year and then back on the road... Hyundai and Nissan (at a push) are still inside your price range, but remember, cash is king, and a 21 grand car can still leave the fourcourt for 19 and a spit in the hand...

bazz26

I just cannot see how the likes of a 1.5 Qashqai is going to be massively better than a 1.7 ix35 driving around town.

Shefwedfan

Mitsuibishi Outlander PHEV, you will get circa 30-40km on battery before the petrol engine kicks in. Low tax. Free charge point installed now with grant. MPG high.

Something like this: http://www.electricautos.ie/vehicles/mitsubishi/outlander/kildare/2007512

I would not go for a diesel based on your driving.....

The Outlander is a proper SUV....not a soccer mum's car(Please note I have owned a Qashqai :-) )

Your MPG would be very good.

The other option if you wait is the Kia Niro BEV, I looked at the PHEV version but will wait for BEV, test drive will be this year with delivery next year. Circa 400km per charge.

obi604

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Mitsuibishi Outlander PHEV, you will get circa 30-40km on battery before the petrol engine kicks in. Low tax. Free charge point installed now with grant. MPG high.

Something like this: http://www.electricautos.ie/vehicles/mitsubishi/outlander/kildare/2007512

I would not go for a diesel based on your driving.....

The Outlander is a proper SUV....not a soccer mum's car(Please note I have owned a Qashqai :-) )

Your MPG would be very good.

The other option if you wait is the Kia Niro BEV, I looked at the PHEV version but will wait for BEV, test drive will be this year with delivery next year. Circa 400km per charge.

Thanks. What is the general reliability like on these outlander phev? I know very little about them.

Shefwedfan

obi604 wrote: »

Thanks. What is the general reliability like on these outlander phev? I know very little about them.

They are massively popular in the UK.....one of the best sellers.....

https://www.automotiveworld.com/news-releases/mitsubishi-outlander-phev-remains-uks-favourite-plug-vehicle/

The price in Ireland is outrageous to buy new....you will see loads second hand from UK but as warned you need to buy the lower mileage versions....

Try the electric and hybrid forum is interested in more information.....

Once you know them you will see there is loads of them on road in Ireland. The black with tinted windows is beautiful in my opinion

Realibity I am not 100% sure about, I havent seen many issues knocking around and the warranty in UK is covered in Ireland, so low milage you will get covered here....

It is some car for 20k

obi604

Shefwedfan wrote: »

They are massively popular in the UK.....one of the best sellers.....

https://www.automotiveworld.com/news-releases/mitsubishi-outlander-phev-remains-uks-favourite-plug-vehicle/

The price in Ireland is outrageous to buy new....you will see loads second hand from UK but as warned you need to buy the lower mileage versions....

Try the electric and hybrid forum is interested in more information.....

Once you know them you will see there is loads of them on road in Ireland. The black with tinted windows is beautiful in my opinion

Realibity I am not 100% sure about, I havent seen many issues knocking around and the warranty in UK is covered in Ireland, so low milage you will get covered here....

It is some car for 20k

Yeah. Looks decent.

So it’s plug in and electric and petrol. Sounds convoluted and maybe asking for problems with all that techonology.

Shefwedfan

obi604 wrote: »

Yeah. Looks decent.

So it’s plug in and electric and petrol. Sounds convoluted and maybe asking for problems with all that techonology.

Not really

The most simple engine is full electric, no moving parts so service costs are minimal, on my eGolf the service is firmware updates

On the PHEV the technology is around years, also all manufacturers have a version of PHEV now or hybrid. It was cutting edge 10 years ago when the Prius came out..... these days more and more PHEV are bought instead of diesel, not in Ireland because we seem to love diesel, but in every other country in the World

obi604

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Not really

The most simple engine is full electric, no moving parts so service costs are minimal, on my eGolf the service is firmware updates

On the PHEV the technology is around years, also all manufacturers have a version of PHEV now or hybrid. It was cutting edge 10 years ago when the Prius came out..... these days more and more PHEV are bought instead of diesel, not in Ireland because we seem to love diesel, but in every other country in the World

Thanks. Interesting. Never even thought of phev.

If you forget to charge it etc and battery dead or low, presume just runs on petrol only and then mpg will suffer.

Shefwedfan

If you are near Kildare I would recommend talking to www.electricautos.ie. I bought 2 electric cars off him last year(eGolf & Leaf).

They are specialist in Electric and Hybrid cars, dont sell anything else. Really highly recommended from all buyers. On average since start of this year I would say they are selling 2 x Outlanders per week.

In terms of service the PHEV is similar to hybrid but with bigger battery. You plug in the car to charge the battery and then it can run on battery only mode for 30km+ before petrol kicks in. You also have different modes which means the battery can kick in & out. Once the battery is dead it will regenerate when you brake/down hill etc.....then kick back in.....

Based on your requirements a PHEV type vehicle would suit you perfect, the outlander would be the only one in your price range. Also they support Multimac so if you go above 3 you can slot in. That was my plan, I have one multimac already in eGolf

As mentioned the other option is to wait till next year for the Kona or Niro BEV. That will do the distance. It will be 35k or so as new. But you will have savings as everything will be on electric. No petrol costs. Service cost gone(bar wipers/brake pads etc).....

obi604

Shefwedfan wrote: »

If you are near Kildare I would recommend talking to www.electricautos.ie. I bought 2 electric cars off him last year(eGolf & Leaf).

They are specialist in Electric and Hybrid cars, dont sell anything else. Really highly recommended from all buyers. On average since start of this year I would say they are selling 2 x Outlanders per week.

In terms of service the PHEV is similar to hybrid but with bigger battery. You plug in the car to charge the battery and then it can run on battery only mode for 30km+ before petrol kicks in. You also have different modes which means the battery can kick in & out. Once the battery is dead it will regenerate when you brake/down hill etc.....then kick back in.....

Based on your requirements a PHEV type vehicle would suit you perfect, the outlander would be the only one in your price range. Also they support Multimac so if you go above 3 you can slot in. That was my plan, I have one multimac already in eGolf

As mentioned the other option is to wait till next year for the Kona or Niro BEV. That will do the distance. It will be 35k or so as new. But you will have savings as everything will be on electric. No petrol costs. Service cost gone(bar wipers/brake pads etc).....

Thanks. Yeah could be a very viable option. Hadn’t even entered my mind. I was too concerned with petrol v diesel.

So essentially, there is no range anxiety with a phev?

What is multimac?

CeilingFly

Mazda cx5.

Stylish, economical, reliable.

Shefwedfan

obi604 wrote: »

Thanks. Yeah could be a very viable option. Hadn’t even entered my mind. I was too concerned with petrol v diesel.

So essentially, there is no range anxiety with a phev?

What is multimac?

Yes, as you have a standard petrol engine you have no range anxiety as all you do is fill up the petrol.

You get the benefit of electric engine for short runs as you can just keep it on battery and not use petrol at all.....really with PHEV you should try and plan so you use battery for all short trips....electricity is alot cheaper to petrol...

To give idea of saving on electric v diesel. I have 15k km's in 11 months in eGolf. It cost me 197 euro in electric(night rate). I would have spent circa 1600 in diesel. You could make that even cheaper if you use the free public charging but I don't use it.....

https://multimac.co.uk/home it is a car seat but bolted into the car. I put into eGolf and allows me to have 4 children in back instead of trying to crush in 3 normal car seats. It is safer for the children as well. Most insurance companies will cover at no additional cost once you get installed professionally

Shefwedfan

If you lived in any other country in the World you wouldn't see any diesel recommendations based on your requirements

In Ireland every second person recommends a diesel :P really I do not understand the love affair with diesel.

I have a Galaxy, diesel, I bought because of the size and we require for family holidays aboard. I hate the bloody thing. Plus we do loads of short trips like yourself, it f**king eats diesel......we are at 90 quid every 2 weeks for doing little to no distance.....hopefully a full sized 7 seater PHEV or Electric will come out soon and I get to sell it on

We are one of the smallest countries in Europe but we have the highest

dumbyearbook

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Mitsuibishi Outlander PHEV, you will get circa 30-40km on battery before the petrol engine kicks in. Low tax. Free charge point installed now with grant. MPG high.

Something like this: http://www.electricautos.ie/vehicles/mitsubishi/outlander/kildare/2007512

I would not go for a diesel based on your driving.....

The Outlander is a proper SUV....not a soccer mum's car(Please note I have owned a Qashqai :-) )

Your MPG would be very good.

The other option if you wait is the Kia Niro BEV, I looked at the PHEV version but will wait for BEV, test drive will be this year with delivery next year. Circa 400km per charge.

The chargers aren't free anymore you get a grant of €600.
https://www.seai.ie/grants/electric-vehicle-grants/electric-vehicle-home-charger-grant/

obi604

Shefwedfan wrote: »

If you lived in any other country in the World you wouldn't see any diesel recommendations based on your requirements

In Ireland every second person recommends a diesel :P really I do not understand the love affair with diesel.

I have a Galaxy, diesel, I bought because of the size and we require for family holidays aboard. I hate the bloody thing. Plus we do loads of short trips like yourself, it f**king eats diesel......we are at 90 quid every 2 weeks for doing little to no distance.....hopefully a full sized 7 seater PHEV or Electric will come out soon and I get to sell it on

We are one of the smallest countries in Europe but we have the highest

Yeah. Our ix35 eats fuel too. These short journeys just ruin it. Like you , do feck all miles really but spend half the time filling up.

I see Toyota have a hybrid rav 4 too but beyond budget.
And then this phev option

Lots of choice.

Initially I kinda had the 1.2 petrol Qashqai in my head. But not sure if it’s underpowered for the size.

But this thread giving me a lot more food for thought.

Sounds like me buying a diesel anyway is just a waste as the driving style does not suit.

Shefwedfan

dumbyearbook wrote: »

The chargers aren't free anymore you get a grant of €600.
https://www.seai.ie/grants/electric-vehicle-grants/electric-vehicle-home-charger-grant/

Yes grant for charger but the public charging is free to top up

Shefwedfan

obi604 wrote: »

Yeah. Our ix35 eats fuel too. These short journeys just ruin it. Like you , do feck all miles really but spend half the time filling up.

I see Toyota have a hybrid rav 4 too but beyond budget.
And then this phev option

Lots of choice.

Initially I kinda had the 1.2 petrol Qashqai in my head. But not sure if it’s underpowered for the size.

But this thread giving me a lot more food for thought.

Sounds like me buying a diesel anyway is just a waste as the driving style does not suit.

Qashqai not really an SUV...haha..... it’s a cross over

I had one, was perfect for the job I wanted it for, but it was diesel and too small for the kids so replaced

obi604

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Qashqai not really an SUV...haha..... it’s a cross over

I had one, was perfect for the job I wanted it for, but it was diesel and too small for the kids so replaced

Crossover, SUV. all the one yo me, they look similar

I’m now on the path of petrol or hybrid or phev.

I find one of the hardest things in buying a car is picking the ones that suits (from all the different points of view: Price, reliability, looks and does it suit your drift bing needs)

obi604

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Yes, as you have a standard petrol engine you have no range anxiety as all you do is fill up the petrol.

You get the benefit of electric engine for short runs as you can just keep it on battery and not use petrol at all.....really with PHEV you should try and plan so you use battery for all short trips....electricity is alot cheaper to petrol...

To give idea of saving on electric v diesel. I have 15k km's in 11 months in eGolf. It cost me 197 euro in electric(night rate). I would have spent circa 1600 in diesel. You could make that even cheaper if you use the free public charging but I don't use it.....

https://multimac.co.uk/home it is a car seat but bolted into the car. I put into eGolf and allows me to have 4 children in back instead of trying to crush in 3 normal car seats. It is safer for the children as well. Most insurance companies will cover at no additional cost once you get installed professionally

So let’s say, you drive from Dublin to Galway and within 5 miles, you are on motorway at 120 km an hour.

At this speed, Are you essentially purely running on the petrol engine......and at this speed you can expect the mpg figures of what a standard 2 litre petrol car would be.

Shefwedfan

obi604 wrote: »

So let’s say, you drive from Dublin to Galway and within 5 miles, you are on motorway at 120 km an hour.

At this speed, Are you essentially purely running on the petrol engine......and at this speed you can expect the mpg figures of what a standard 2 litre petrol car would be.

No, the Mpg on the newer PHEV is similar to diesel even on motorway....they buy them in uk and mostly as company cars so majority of life on motorway.....they have proper motorway and long distance driving

I don’t know the exact in and outs but I will try find video to explain

The advantage of the PHEV is in city driving you are also getting good mpg and also the option of running on pure battery

Shefwedfan

If you are doing a huge amount of motorway and long distance then diesel is still best....no arguement their.....

Shefwedfan

obi604 wrote: »

So let’s say, you drive from Dublin to Galway and within 5 miles, you are on motorway at 120 km an hour.

At this speed, Are you essentially purely running on the petrol engine......and at this speed you can expect the mpg figures of what a standard 2 litre petrol car would be.

Feedback here from users
https://speakev.com/threads/outlander-phev-motorway-driving-views-please.36121/

Video on how it works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4I5SkNT6UY

dumbyearbook

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Yes grant for charger but the public charging is free to top up

Free with grant :-)

Shefwedfan

dumbyearbook wrote: »

Free with grant :-)

What are you talking about?

The public system, which is provided by ecars is free to use. Map if chargers here https://www.esb.ie/our-businesses/ecars/charge-point-map

This has nothing to do with your home charger.

The original home charger was only available for new cars and was restricted on what you could install. The government replaced with grant which is open to new and second hand car buyers. Also you get to pick your own charger in case you want a Solar PV unit etc.

Do you understand the difference between the two?

obi604

Anyone have any real world experience of the newer model 1.7 Tucson from 2015 onwards

AMKC

obi604 wrote: »

Anyone have any real world experience of the newer model 1.7 Tucson from 2015 onwards

No but I do know that the MK3 1.7 diesel Kia Sportage is a very economical car.

obi604

AMKC wrote: »

No but I do know that the MK3 1.7 diesel Kia Sportage is a very economical car.

When was the mk3 introduced to Ireland ?

Is the 1.7 engine in the sportage and Tucson the same

bazz26

Yes and it's the same basic engine from the ix35 too.

dumbyearbook

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What are you talking about?

The public system, which is provided by ecars is free to use. Map if chargers here https://www.esb.ie/our-businesses/ecars/charge-point-map

This has nothing to do with your home charger.

The original home charger was only available for new cars and was restricted on what you could install. The government replaced with grant which is open to new and second hand car buyers. Also you get to pick your own charger in case you want a Solar PV unit etc.

Do you understand the difference between the two?

I do yes what I meant was you said earlier they were “free with a grant” you still have to pay the difference between the grant and cost of the unit.

Shefwedfan

dumbyearbook wrote: »

I do yes what I meant was you said earlier they were “free with a grant” you still have to pay the difference between the grant and cost of the unit.

It cost me the grand total of 250 quid to get my car charger installed. I got the unit free with the car(second hand car before grant) and the installation was 250.....

Since then I got a unit for 100 quid second hand and got installed for my parent, think it cost 200 for install as well

The advantage with the grant is you can shop around. The charger is a glorified exterior plug. Some of the chargers come with fancy software etc and you pay extra for that.....some of them also include an optional standard 3 pin plug and cost extra

Some people just get a standard 3 pin plug outside and use that to charge the car, also fully supported although slower than the charger.

Like anything with a "grant" beside it, you can go to the standard people and they will quote 1k before looking at your house, or you ring around and get a deal. Zappi is the premium and will allow for Solar PV....the charger itself is 500 odd quid