The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

Cupcake_Crisis

DubInMeath wrote: »

So your fine forcing rape victims carry to term

Who let John Mcguirk in?!?

bloodless_coup

Who's setting the rules which say Steen can't take part in this debate?

Guy:Incognito

jjmcclure wrote: »

My point proved. Hearsay and scaremongering from the YES side.

How about we all just vote yes and agree to leave people alone to make the best decision for themselves and stop making decisions for them , considering we don't know their circumstances.

ohnonotgmail

jjmcclure wrote: »

My point proved. Hearsay and scaremongering from the YES side.

not sure how ignoring a question proves anything.

gctest50

DarkScar wrote: »

The report he wrote on the case doesn't blame the 8th one single bit................


Debunked completely yet again.

Right there in the middle

Arulkumaran answered that his report showed the Eighth Amendment “was a material risk to the woman”.

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Hotblack Desiato

NIMAN wrote: »

Will it be possible for NI residents to avail of abortions in RoI should YES win?

Surely it wouldn't be? Its not a business that'll be running in Ireland, it will only be done in extreme cases. Not as if you can rock up to Dublin and say "I want an abortion".

IF you are in NI and part of UK, I would assume you would still have to go to mainland UK to avail of an abortion?

No reason why they can't see a GP privately and get a prescription filled here privately.

Would be extremely hypocritical of us to somehow prevent this when it's what Irish women have had to do in Britain for decades.

DarkScar

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

How about we all just vote yes and agree to leave people alone to make the best decision for themselves and stop making decisions for them , considering we don't know their circumstances.

Because voting to allow personal choice on acts you consider should be illegal is bonkers?

FrancieBrady

DarkScar wrote: »

The report he wrote on the case doesn't blame the 8th one single bit.
"The investigation team is aware that clinical circumstances can and have arisen in Ireland where a termination of pregnancy is an appropriate and necessary clinical step in the medical treatment and care of a patient."
A termination 100% should have been performed under EXISTING legal precedent that had been there for TWENTY YEARS.
Debunked completely yet again.

No side seem to be hoping everyone will keep their heads in the sand and ignore what the man at the centre of this has said. :rolleyes:

DarkScar

gctest50 wrote: »

Arulkumaran answered that his report showed the Eighth Amendment “was a material risk to the woman”.

In another country where there was not such a restriction they would have terminated the pregnancy two or three days earlier.

Where is this in the report he wrote? I've quoted from the official report where he says there should have been a termination under existing legislation.
What have you got?

gmisk

Just the two td's on prime time.
I think I will just tape it.

Guy:Incognito

DarkScar wrote: »

Because voting to allow personal choice on acts you consider should be illegal is bonkers?

Deciding you know what's best for someone you don't know is bonkers.

You wouldn't accept me being given the choicen on decisions for you for anything .

DarkScar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No side seem to be hoping everyone will keep their heads in the sand and ignore what the man at the centre of this has said. :rolleyes:

The man who wrote the very words I'm quoting that say there should have been a termination under legal precedent set two decades beforehand? That guy?

freshpopcorn

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

How about we all just vote yes and agree to leave people alone to make the best decision for themselves and stop making decisions for them , considering we don't know their circumstances.

What I've told is they don't want their family growing up in society where abortion is freely accessed as the UK because it's not the society they want for their children/etc.
Similar to how people canvasing for a Yes vote want abortion accessible for their kids in the future so they don't have to travel. It's the society they want.

DarkScar

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Deciding you know what's best for someone you don't know is bonkers.

You wouldn't accept me being given the choicenon what happens to you for anything .

So if somebody's personal choice was to bomb an old folk's home you'd respect this and keep your nose out of their affairs? None of anybody's business, yeah?

Larbre34

gmisk wrote: »

Just the two td's on prime time.
I think I will just tape it.

Mary Higgins in the audience instead.

amcalester

Python Desk wrote: »

I will be voting yes, but I habe to laugh at the infantile "bodily autonomy" argument. Do these people it should be perfectly legal to masturbate in public.

Wait, it’s not?

DOS

DOS wrote: »

You don't know for definite. Either side could have a 'fail' moment..

You might have missed my question earlier but how do you feel about some of your bishops support for repeal

FrancieBrady

DarkScar wrote: »

The man who wrote the very words I'm quoting that say there should have been a termination under legal precedent set two decades beforehand? That guy?

Yes the guy who has had to clarify for those who are misrepresenting the fullness of the report.
Arulkumaran has also clarified claims around Savita’s death, saying that the Eighth Amendment was a major factor. He refuted claims that sepsis was the only cause of her death, as has been claimed by some during the course of the referendum debate.

Your 'look the other way' strategy is not working.

RobertKK

Mary Higgins for Yes didn't answer the question.

Larbre34

Python Desk wrote: »

I will be voting yes, but I habe to laugh at the infantile "bodily autonomy" argument. Do these people it should be perfectly legal to masturbate in public.

I think you may be missing several key points.

gctest50

DarkScar wrote: »

The man who wrote the very words I'm quoting that say there should have been a termination under legal precedent set two decades beforehand? That guy?

Same guy :

Professor Sabaratnam Arulkumaran said that “if you don’t support legal abortion, then you support illegal abortion”.

gmisk

Larbre34 wrote: »

Mary Higgins in the audience instead.

Oh I will watch i like her!

JupiterKid

Got my polling card. I've always made an effort to vote in every referenda and election since I was 18 years of age.

This will be a defining referendum for this country. I will be voting yes to drag this country into the modern era where women are respected and trusted.

There is all to play for in this referendum. Every vote counts.

Larbre34

Quite right Trevor, medics afraid for their livlihoods killed her through insufficient intervention.

NuMarvel

RobertKK wrote: »

Mary Higgins for Yes didn't answer the question.

I'm not watching it, but given your past performance on these threads, I take that to mean that she actually did answer it. And, I'd hazard, did so quite well, hence your need to make it look like she didn't.

RobertKK

One thing is clear from this referendum, No voting obstetricians are far more proactive than Yes voting obstetricians when it comes to women's lives.

Larbre34

:About to die' is a low bar Trevor. Very low.

gmisk

JupiterKid wrote: »

Got my polling card. I've always made an effort to vote in every referenda and election since I was 18 years of age.

This will be a defining referendum for this country. I will be voting yes to drag this country into the modern era where women are respected and trusted.

There is all tp play for in this referendum. Every vote counts.

Totally agree every vote is going to be important it is going to be closer than the polls I would think.

RobertKK

NuMarvel wrote: »

I'm not watching it, but given your past performance on these threads, I take that to mean that she actually did answer it. And, I'd hazard, did so quite well, hence your need to make it look like she didn't.

She never answered if she really believed if all those abortions in the UK done on mental health grounds are down to mental health.

FrancieBrady

Trevor stumped and floundering