British Army Corporal Court Martialed for sharing vid of female in training.

DEFTLEFTHAND

He posted on Twitter, You want females on the front line, this is what I've to deal with.

The vid was of a young female recruit who was incapable of passing the assault course in basic British army training. She was blubbering and snubbering and her Corporal was giving her hell.


It poses the question. Should women be in the military?

OOnegative

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

He posted on Twitter, You want females on the front line, this is what I've to deal with.

The vid was of a young female recruit who was incaple of passing the assault course in basic British army training. She was blubbering and snubbering and her Corporal was giving her hell.


It poses the question. Should women be in the military?

Eh it poses the question should inconsiderate bullies like Mr Corporal be in the Army.

pjohnson

OOnegative wrote: »

Eh it poses the question should inconsiderate bullies like Mr Corporal be in the Army.

Is it not his job to ensure recruits meet a standard?

tigger123

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

He posted on Twitter, You want females on the front line, this is what I've to deal with.

The vid was of a young female recruit who was incapable of passing the assault course in basic British army training. She was blubbering and snubbering and her Corporal was giving her hell.


It poses the question. Should women be in the military?

Women, eh? Pffft. What a bunch of bastards.

Overheal

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

He posted on Twitter, You want females on the front line, this is what I've to deal with.

The vid was of a young female recruit who was incapable of passing the assault course in basic British army training. She was blubbering and snubbering and her Corporal was giving her hell.


It poses the question. Should women be in the military?

No it incorrectly slants against women. Sure, I could assume more women than men would wash out of basic, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t men that wash out blubbering and snubbering as it was put.

Canis Lupus

OOnegative wrote: »

Eh it poses the question should inconsiderate bullies like Mr Corporal be in the Army.

Perhaps?

Pelvis

pjohnson wrote: »

Is it not his job to ensure recruits meet a standard?

And how does posting a video online do that?

Sky King

OOnegative wrote: »

Eh it poses the question should inconsiderate bullies like Mr Corporal be in the Army.

Yes instead of normal military training where corporals scream in your face and push you to your absolute physical limit we should have a new type of training where we sit down and discuss our differences around the campfire.

Because that would be excellent preparation for battle....

JMNolan

OOnegative wrote: »

Eh it poses the question should inconsiderate bullies like Mr Corporal be in the Army.

We should probably get isis into teach, they're not bullies at all. Considering life in the army is all puppydogs and happiness

DEFTLEFTHAND

Any man who has gone such training knows how tough it is.

The NCOs treat you like absolute dirt.


Only the real men make it through. They break you down and build you back up as a soldier.

AlphabetCards

He was an idiot for taking a video of it.

pjohnson wrote: »

Is it not his job to ensure recruits meet a standard?

This is a problem in the western world - if a student in a school or recruit in the military isn't able to make the grade, we blame the people teaching them. Some people are not able to make the grade in the military, and because it is primarily the women, standards have been dropping across the board.

gctest50

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Any man who has gone such training knows how tough it is.

The NCOs treat you like absolute dirt.


Only the real men make it through. They break you down and build you back up as a soldier.

judging by that post, you need to go home and change your pants

SSr0

I'll be happy with woman serving with me, when they start to get treated the same way I do and when they are required to do the same fitness testing I do.

As it stands, the woman's fitness test is a joke and everyone is afraid to put them under any kind of stress.

This PC nonsense has no place in situations where lives are at risk.

arybvtcw0eolkf

AlphabetCards wrote: »

He was an idiot for taking a video of it.

This.

DEFTLEFTHAND

No room for bluberring or snubbering.

You going to do that on the frontline against the enemy?


They're trying to prepare the recruit for all eventualities.

Jim Bob Scratcher

Raquel Breezy Guppy wrote: »

This.

Exactly, why post something like this? for facebook likes?

badabing106

OOnegative wrote: »

Eh it poses the question should inconsiderate bullies like Mr Corporal be in the Army.

If your a soldier and you can't mentally handle an inconsiderate bully, then you are not the type of person to excel in the battlefield when you are facing an enemy that's wants you brutally maimed and dead

McMurphy

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

It poses the question. Should women be in the military?

The answer is yes obviously - however the more pertinent question is, should bullying corporals be allowed to upload videos to social media of recruits going through tough training regimes, regardless of gender.

gctest50

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

No room for bluberring or snubbering.

You going to do that on the frontline against the enemy?


They're trying to prepare the recruit for all eventualities.

aaand nope - these two girls blouses "panicked"

"More critically, though, they left Moscow camp that morning without checking the 'out of bounds' board and went on a tour of the city ignorant of what was going on.

"Wood probably just wanted to show Howes around various JCU locations and maybe a few of the main hot spots too, but this was not part of any official handover procedure. Wood was showboating.

"Had he checked the board, he would have seen that all of Belfast and most of the rest of Northern Ireland was coded red that day.

"When they blundered into the funeral cortege on the Andersonstown Road, they panicked.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

The answer is yes obviously - however the more pertinent question is, should bullying corporals be allowed to upload videos to social media of recruits going through tough training regimes, regardless of gender.

In what role though?

dudara

pjohnson wrote: »

Is it not his job to ensure recruits meet a standard?

Yes it is.

It’s also his job to act as an Army officer which I’m sure involves a code of ethics and a chain of command. He should have passed his issues up the chain and not shared a video of a woman without her permission. That is not the behaviour of a leader.

Richard Hillman

The ladies never find the door

arybvtcw0eolkf

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Exactly, why post something like this? for facebook likes?

People are very quick to use their camera, or jump onto facebook for likes.

Two examples.

Almost a year ago July 24 2017 myself and a Garda were first on scene of a motorcycle accident, we gave CPR (7 cycles so for about 15 minutes), then the first ambulance showed up (there was two casualties) with advanced paramedics and doctors.

People were taking photos (and I presume video) of the whole scene.

WARNING photos of the scene included in this article

Another example.

I'd an inlaw diagnosed with cancer recently. On leaving the hospital he dropped into his sister before going home to tell his wife and daughter.

While he was having tea in his sisters, the sister and her son were posting about his diagnoses on facebook for likes.. Guess how his wife discovered her husband had stage four bowel cancer?.

Glass fused light

badabing106 wrote: »

If your a soldier and you can't mentally handle an inconsiderate bully, then you are not the type of person to excel in the battlefield when you are facing an enemy that's wants you brutally maimed and dead

This is true and basic training should allow the trainer to pass or fail the trainee based on agreed criteria.

But if you want to make a public political statement like below don't be suprised if your bosses get a little upset when you use work product to illustrate your point.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

He posted on Twitter, You want females on the front line, this is what I've to deal with.

arybvtcw0eolkf

badabing106 wrote: »

If your a soldier and you can't mentally handle an inconsiderate bully, then you are not the type of person to excel in the battlefield when you are facing an enemy that's wants you brutally maimed and dead

There's a massive difference between bullying and robust military training, there is absolutely no place for a bully in the military or anywhere else in life.

There is no excuse for an bullying, military or not.

OldMrBrennan83

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animaal

In the military, people are treated in a way that would never be tolerated in the "real world". The military has its own court service outside of the civilian legal system to deal with complaints.

Soldiers are willing to put up with the treatment on the understanding that it's necessary, it's part of the culture of the military, it's not personal. After being cursed at by an NCO, after being screamed at, after being called all sorts of names, you'll all be drinking in the mess together that night. And should you and the NCO serve together, you'll depend on eachother. The bad treatment is quickly forgotten.

Soldiers and societies all around the world tolerate this because it works. It produces fighting forces that couldn't be reproduced in a caring-sharing atmosphere of inclusion and feelings.

This corporal has exposed his (harsh but perhaps acceptable) treatment of a soldier to the outside world, publicly shaming her. He has behaved badly and stupidly. I doubt he now has the trust of his subordinates. The system will make an example of him.

Rory28

dudara wrote: »

Yes it is.

It’s also his job to act as an Army officer which I’m sure involves a code of ethics and a chain of command. He should have passed his issues up the chain and not shared a video of a woman without her permission. That is not the behaviour of a leader.

Corporals are not officers. They are their to do the dirty work for the officers.

Now that does not include posting videos online like a teenager.

Discodog

A lot of the women are highly rated especially as they tend to use their brains to make up for their brawn.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Discodog wrote: »

A lot of the women are highly rated especially as they tend to use their brains to make up for their brawn.

Bullsh1t.

manonboard

Why are we using a single physically incapable women as a representive of all women?

Why are we not doing the same for guys?

DEFTLEFTHAND

Rory28 wrote: »

Corporals are not officers. They are their to do the dirty work for the officers.

Now that does not include posting videos online like a teenager.

It's a rank of a non commissioned Officer.

NCO's run the British Army at training level.

McMurphy

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

In what role though?

In any role open to them.

dudara

Rory28 wrote: »

Corporals are not officers. They are their to do the dirty work for the officers.

Corporal is an NCO rank, right? Still a leader

gctest50

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Bullsh1t.

This one killed 300 - probably a lot more than iphone boy

walter on though

Rory28

dudara wrote: »

Corporal is an NCO rank, right? Still a leader

What he did was stupid and he deserves to be punished but the in your face screaming is part of his job. They are preparing people for war so if they cant handle someone screaming orders at them in a barracks how are they going to handle it under gunfire?

arybvtcw0eolkf

gctest50 wrote: »

This one killed 300 - probably a lot more than iphone boy

I know a lot of army cooks who could kill thousands without firing a shot

dudara

Rory28 wrote: »

What he did was stupid and he deserves to be punished but the in your face screaming is part of his job. They are preparing people for war so if they cant handle someone screaming orders at them in a barracks how are they going to handle it under gunfire?

I’m not debating that aspect in the slightest. That is his job.

Posting the video to social media, and exposing that girl to criticism was not his job. You’d expect better from an Army leader.

mrsoundie

Raquel Breezy Guppy wrote: »

I know a lot of army cooks who could kill thousands without firing a shot

Whats know in the business as "Fitter Turners", because they can fit it in a pot and turn it into sh!te.

Rory28

Raquel Breezy Guppy wrote: »

I know a lot of army cooks who could kill thousands without firing a shot

Not anymore you don't. He got fat and started calling himself Sensei Seagal.

kylith

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

He posted on Twitter, You want females on the front line, this is what I've to deal with.

The vid was of a young female recruit who was incapable of passing the assault course in basic British army training. She was blubbering and snubbering and her Corporal was giving her hell.


It poses the question. Should women be in the military?

Does he also post videos of the Male recruits blubbering when they wash out?

Overheal

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

In what role though?

Whatever the hell they qualify for, based on the needs of the role. Gender plays no special part in that.

Example from the marines, who have certainly not done much to lower the bar, but that doesn’t mean some women haven’t met it. Your misogyny is unwarranted.

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2018/03/05/where-are-the-female-marines/

Only 92 women have made it into roles that were opened up to them in the last couple years. Some of those are not front line, but somehow I get the feeling none of these 92 women would have an issue putting your balls or mine in a vice, if we were to sit down and compare “grit.”

DEFTLEFTHAND

gctest50 wrote: »

This one killed 300 - probably a lot more than iphone boy







walter on though

Outlier, give me general.

Call me a Walt all you want, I never claimed to be a soldier. I was just drawing attention to this farce in the British Army.


You can't PC the Army.

pitifulgod

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Bullsh1t.

I'm amazed that you chose to post this and appear to have seen no issue with what he posted to social media... Women in the military does work and they are generally respected by their peers for their ability. This may be shocking for you.

Atoms for Peace

Well the YPJ have aquitted themselves in the fight against ISIS and the Turks.

Defunkd

A friend who served in the Irish Army had quite a few complaints about the female recruits. Citing "cramps" to get excused from certain duties while no such 'compassion' was shown to the male recruits.

Overheal

SSr0 wrote: »

I'll be happy with woman serving with me, when they start to get treated the same way I do and when they are required to do the same fitness testing I do.

As it stands, the woman's fitness test is a joke and everyone is afraid to put them under any kind of stress.

This PC nonsense has no place in situations where lives are at risk.

I do agree a military should not have gender specific requirements unless the are gender specific roles. Beyond that sexual discrimination need not factor: whoever meets that standard is in the role. It’s a different matter if the force wants to find a role for talent that wants to apply, but that shouldn’t result in lowering standards; that should only ever happen if frankly you’ve run out of candidates for critical roles, then you don’t have much choice, not every military ostensibly will have an inexhaustible supply that meets demands. Specifically in the case of the Brits it seems like political correctness above anything else, and admittedly that’s not a great idea in the long run IMHO. But that doesn’t mean women should be shamed out of applying and I can absolutely see why the court martial is in order.

Avatar MIA

Defunkd wrote: »

. Citing "cramps" to get excused from certain duties while no such 'compassion' was shown to the male recruits.

Rightly so if they complained about getting period pains!

PowerToWait

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Bullsh1t.

If you had even the slightest knowledge of women in war and particularly revolutionary / guerilla warfare, then you wouldn't say that.

I'll direct you to the FLN in Algeria, Viet Cong in Vietnam and more recently the Kurds in Syria.

Or you could keep watching 'Saving Private Ryan' for your info.

DEFTLEFTHAND

PowerToWait wrote: »

If you had even the slightest knowledge of women in war and particularly revolutionary / guerilla warfare, then you wouldn't say that.

I'll direct you to the FLN in Algeria, Viet Cong in Vietnam and more recently the Kurds in Syria.

Or you could keep watching 'Saving Private Ryan' for your info.

How many pull ups , press ups and situps can they do?

Could an 8st female recruit lift a 14st male soldier to safety?


The practicalites of war.

dude_abided

Completely unacceptable. Treatment fair, posting the video was outside the standards that would be expected in the Army.

Quite right to be court martialed