Are there people on this website who would be glad to see Israel wiped out?

Pretzill

It doesn't sit easy with me, OP, all the outrage, marching in our capital, talk of boycott over the situation in Gaza. Palestine is occupied and struggling and there is murder on both sides - but I see a creeping up of anti semite views and that can't be allowed happen either.

We are a small outpost here, still parochial in lots of ways - Ireland tend to sympathise with those who we feel share a similar struggle with ourselves - but history has shown we choose strange bedfellows - Didn't our government send an envoy to sympathise on our behalf after Hitler's death?

I'm not saying we shouldn't be outraged if that's how we feel but I'd rather see our people taking to the streets over the cervical smear scandal - 18 deaths so far here...here in this country. This strange little ****ed up land who thinks other countries actually take an interest in our worldview.

AfterLife

Pretzill wrote: »

but I see a creeping up of anti semite views and that can't be allowed happen either.

Any examples of this?

Pretzill

AfterLife wrote: »

Any examples of this?

Do you actually need documented proof? There's an air of anti semitism for a number of years now and quite obviously it raises it's head in light of Gaza. This is what happens when people choose sides. No I don't have any examples to share.

Larbre34

I wonder is the irony of Bibi behaving like an early 30's Hitler lost on mainstream Israeli society? The man would start WWIII to avoid the criminal charges coming down the tracks at him, and he still might.

As for the existence of Israel as a Jewish homeland, the notion goes back to the time of Napoleon, when Jews made up 4% of the regional population, and every time it was mooted since, it was for the ulterior motives of a colonial power. As an artificial construct, I dont really regard the State of Israel as having legitimacy, any more than the British occupation of Northern Ireland. I mean only the British could have come up with the idea of compensation for one holocaust being the infliction of another.

Realistically, Israel could create peace in its region tomorrow if it so wished, it was so close in the 90s, but persecution and annexation have become the order of the day again.

I admire those countries that have refused to endorse or follow the US embassy to Jerusalem (a personal favour to the family of the POTUS son-in-law leading to all that bloodshed is especially sick), pending a long term peace deal.

I would love to see the handlers of Israeli produce in Ireland do a Dunnes Stores staff during apartheid number on it and make BDS a way of life, until the arrogant fascists running Israel return to a reasonable stance.

AfterLife

Pretzill wrote: »

Do you actually need documented proof? There's an air of anti semitism for a number of years now and quite obviously it raises it's head in light of Gaza. This is what happens when people choose sides. No I don't have any examples to share.

I didn't think so.

Pretzill

AfterLife wrote: »

I didn't think so.

You didn't think so what?! Are you seriously expecting some written, factual, evidence of anti semitism? Asking for that alone, speaks volumes.

AfterLife

Pretzill wrote: »

You didn't think so what?! Are you seriously expecting some written, factual, evidence of anti semitism? Asking for that alone, speaks volumes.

About you, yeah. There has been several threads about Israel here in the last few days and I haven't seen a single instance of anti semitism.

Pretzill

AfterLife wrote: »

About you, yeah. There has been several threads about Israel here in the last few days and I haven't seen a single instance of anti semitism.

I didn't say there was anti semitism on boards though you assumed that's what I meant, for some reason. I meant in general, in my facebook feed, in news content, in my opinion - I think the fact that you choose to highlight this part of my post and nothing else says a lot about you.

deco nate

Pretzill wrote: »

I didn't say there was anti semitism on boards though you assumed that's what I meant, for some reason. I meant in general, in my facebook feed, in news content, in my opinion - I think the fact that you choose to highlight this part of my post and nothing else says a lot about you.

Tbh, you didnt quantify that in your post,did you.

So, he was well within his right to call out your post.


Plus a few other posters hinted at the same as your post on here, so... Yea. Its in text, you need to quantify, not make a general post covering all other types of Internet formats ,is good.
Otherwise it can get confusing unless specified

Pretzill

deco nate wrote: »

Tbh, you didnt quantify that in your post,did you.

So, he was well within his right to call out your post.

I didn't say it. He misinterpreted my post, hence my confusion in checking that he actually wanted documented proof - Now can we leave this please - maybe I had a more salient point to make but it's lost now in the fog of pointless back and forth.

Pretzill

Pretzill wrote: »

I didn't say it. He misinterpreted my post, hence my confusion in checking that he actually wanted documented proof - Now can we leave this please - maybe I had a more salient point to make but it's lost now in the fog of pointless back and forth.

You can't accuse someone of misinterpreting a post when you leave it so open to misinterpretation.

Can I walk into a classroom and go on a rant about disrespect and bad grades, and when a student asks what they did wrong, say "What? Of course I didn't mean this class. Why would you think that?"

tomofson

Okay I will admit it, jewish supremacy is a cancer, always has been a cancer, this ideology has been behind some of the most atrocious acts in human history.

Holodomor famine and the bolsheviks, gulags, mass deportation of ethnic minorities in russia, literally millions tortured to death, vast majority of the leadership where of jewish bloodline, remainder where married to jews.

Now they want to do the same to the amazing persian race, when they are finished with them they will turn to another race/ethnicity, mass human sacrifice is the number of the beasts.

Israel is a symbolism of jewish supremacy, Just a place they can all run to when they are finished warmongering and scamming in other parts of the world.

They also lie about certain "historical facts" we are all thought from a young age these "genocides" of the jewish people happened, most of this is B,S simply to enforce european guilt, and so they can scam money off the so called "perpetrators"

"It wasn't a lie because in my imagination I believed it was true"
Herman Rosenblat actual quote.


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Pretzill

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You can't accuse someone of misinterpreting a post when you leave it so open to misinterpretation.

Can I walk into a classroom and go on a rant about disrespect and bad grades, and when a student asks what they did wrong, say "What? Of course I didn't mean this class. Why would you think that?"

Where did I go on a rant about anti semitism? Did you read my post? - it was one line taken out of context here - but let's not let that get in the way of some greater agenda - shall we?

Pretzill

tomofson wrote: »

Okay I will admit it, jewish supremacy is a cancer, always has been a cancer, this ideology has been behind some of the most atrocious acts in human history.

Holodomor famine and the bolsheviks, gulags, mass deportation of ethnic minorities in russia, literally millions tortured to death, vast majority of the leadership where of jewish bloodline, remainder where married to jews.

Now they want to do the same to the amazing persian race, when they are finished with them they will turn to another race/ethnicity, mass human sacrifice is the number of the beasts.

Israel is a symbolism of jewish supremacy, Just a place they can all run to when they are finished warmongering and scamming in other parts of the world.

They also lie about certain "historical facts" we are all thought from a young age these "genocides" of the jewish people happened, most of this is B,S simply to enforce european guilt, and so they can scam money off the so called "perpetrators"

"It wasn't a lie because in my imagination I believed it was true"
Herman Rosenblat actual quote.

This.

And I wasn't expecting to actually find proof here. Despicable rhetoric.

tomofson

Pretzill wrote: »

This.

And I wasn't expecting to actually find proof here. Despicable rhetoric.

"despicable rhetoric" you will find out is actually very true if you cared enough to do a little research.

Pretzill

Pretzill wrote: »

Where did I go on a rant about anti semitism? Did you read my post? - it was one line taken out of context here - but let's not let that get in the way of some greater agenda - shall we?

It was an example. The thread title specifically says "on this site". It's up to you to clarify that you're not talking about this site. Instead, you accuse people of misinterpretation.

Pretzill

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It was an example. The thread title specifically says "on this site". It's up to you to clarify that you're not talking about this site. Instead, you accuse people of misinterpretation.

That's fair enough. Though had my entire post been read it is clear in the context - if anyone else reads tomofson's post above they get their documented proof, sadly, in relation to at least one poster on boards.

Wabbit Ears

I wondedre if people who want to wipe out the nation of israel relaly understand what that would do to the world? I think their understanding of israel as a nation doesnt extend beyond the buzzfeed info on the troubles with palestine .

Like do they know how that most of the internet runs on isreali tech? The TV STB they watch probably runs on israeli middleware. Do they know how much israeli tech is embedded in every part of their daily lives?

Of course not because acknowledging the fact that israel is a huge player in the worldwide tech arena doesnt fit with their facbook fed hate stream.

tomofson

Pretzill wrote: »

That's fair enough. Though had my entire post been read it is clear in the context - if anyone else reads tomofson's post above they get their documented proof, sadly, in relation to at least one poster on boards.

So you think exposing and challenging a supremacist mindset makes someone a bad person?

Everything I posted can be proven through basic research.

tomofson

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

I wondedre if people who want to wipe out the nation of israel relaly understand what that would do to the world? I think their understanding of israel as a nation doesnt extend beyond the buzzfeed info on the troubles with palestine .

Like do they know how that most of the internet runs on isreali tech? The TV STB they watch probably runs on israeli middleware. Do they know how much israeli tech is embedded in every part of their daily lives?

Of course not because acknowledging the fact that israel is a huge player in the worldwide tech arena doesnt fit with their facbook fed hate stream.

All lies, american technological industries are forced by the (((masters))) to share their knowledge with israeli companies, they then steal it and mass produce it in Israel to make israel seem more important than it actually is.

The vast majority of technological advances in recent human history was actually accomplished by national socialist germany. They shared their knowledge with america via operation paperclip. (((They))) then forced america to share that knowledge with Israel as part of a reparations programme.

pleas advice

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

Like do they know how that most of the internet runs on isreali tech? The TV STB they watch probably runs on israeli middleware. Do they know how much israeli tech is embedded in every part of their daily lives?
.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1iCZpFMYd0

tomofson

pleas advice wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1iCZpFMYd0

More like a world without the contributions of national socialist germany.

Pretzill

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Is this the height your argument reaches? I don't appreciate being PM'd crap like this.

cfuserkildare

I find it Sooo funny,

So many Whingers rabbitting on about Anti-Semetism,

But what about the Anti-Palestinians?

Anyone else considered that?

wrote:

Literally one sentence above the one you quoted, he said it was "atrocious"

Yes, I saw the "But" straight after "atrocious". There's no writing off what's happening to the Palestinians with pleas that essentially amount to "But you have to understand what happened to Jews". We know. I'm not long back from a very harrowing trip to Auschwitz and the ineffable evil there which I don't think any human being is capable of fully comprehending. The display of thousands upon thousands of toddlers' shoes, taken off them before they were exterminated, will remain in my memory forever.

Nevertheless, playing the Holocaust card as a means to "understand" why Palestinians are continuing to be treated as subhuman in every conceivable respect is a card that's well past its sell-by date. Like somebody said, it's the equivalent of the really abused child becoming an adult and beating the bejaysus out of other people who had nothing to do with abusing him. So many people play the Holocaust card out of a misguided belief that they're being balanced by "seeing both sides".

It's not "balanced"; it's making excuses for an Israeli state which is incomparably superior in every military and power-politics respect. It's an unbridled bully beating the living shít out of a military pain in the arse, not out of a military threat never mind an existential threat to the Israeli state. Pissing on the Palestinians is so much more about internal Likud and other rightwing thug politics within the Israeli state than it is about necessary "self-defence". And the illegal occupations getting bigger, much, much bigger in recent years... and the Palestinians are the aggressors?

The treatment of the Palestinians is not "understandable". It's a whole heap of crimes against humanity on a quotidian basis. Given the enormous power differential between the Israeli state and the motley crew of disorganised, fissiparous Palestinians and their in-fighting, treachery and everything else that comes from being on the weaker, conquered side of a settler-colonial occupation it's risible to justify it by the "Palestinian" or even the "Arab" threat. "Defending the state of Israel" has long gone beyond any actual defence and is simply about occupying more and more Palestinian land, flouting all international law and hoping that all these illegal Israeli settlements will - with sheer force, persistence and US support - compel the Palestinians and the world to accept the illegitimate land grab as legitimate some day. To then murder some 20 30 40 59 (at latest count) Palestinians as just happened in a single day this week and plead for "understanding" of the Israeli position is fúcking outrageous. Really. Get out of that garden.

The Israeli state is being directed by unconvicted (so far) war criminals and international law and human rights agreements are once again shown to be useful pawns of the United States which as chief sponsorer, financier and international defender of all these crimes against humanity has all the moral credibility it had while ethnically cleansing the native Americans from the planet, imprisoning hundreds of thousands of Filipinos (1890s) and Japanese (1940s) in concentration camps, overthrowing democracies in Guatemala (1954) and Chile (1973) and using chemical warfare against millions of people in southeast Asia.

markodaly

I bet you enjoyed writing that more than you believe it.

holyhead

I can see how Jewish people might feel persecuted following the Holocaust. Yet I somehow feel the Holocaust should have taught them to be humane to their fellow man. Instead they appear to be engaging in ethnic cleansing and displacement just like the Nazi's did to the Jews. Whether the Jews accept it or not Palestinians were moved to facilitate the creation of Israel. Bad as that was, for the Palestinians, the Jews have proceeded to expand their 1948 territory to the extent we see today. Gaza is in effect a prison. The Palestinian Territories is surrounded on three sides by Israel. If Palestinians killed 52 Jews/Israeli's then holy hell their would be a storm whipped up by the Americans.
I have visited Israel twice and enjoyed it. Jerusalem is a must see city. However while the Palestinians aren't angels the oppression they are subjected too by the Israeli's has echoes of WW2 and how the Jews were treated by the Nazi's. If it was up to Netanyahu Palestinians would be annihilated.

Liamalone

No but yes but no but yes

I don't want Israel wiped out. But some of its defenders in the other thread here don't deserve to be on this Earth.

Never been more disgusted by anything in my life.

fergus1001

given land after world war 2 so the Jews could have a homeland after the horrors of the holocaust only for them to turn around and establish the largest concentration camp known to man

they do not deserve the land they have never mind the land they are illegally occupying