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Briggs Full Sunblock wrote: »Rescued migrants hijack merchant ship 6miles from the coast of Libya.
The 108 people picked up in good faith by Elhiblu 1, reportedly hijacked it, when they learned they were being returned back to nearby Libya.
Now on their way to Maltese waters instead within the next couple of hours.
SNIP. No more quips please.
The open borders advocacy group, SeaWatch, has objected to the hijackers being described as pirates by the Italian government. Instead they have claimed the violent hijacking was justified as an act of self-defence against the "deadly consequences forced upon them by Europeans inhumane border policy". Surely, given the recent terrorist attack in Milan by an open-borders activist, these groups need to tone down their inflammatory language which fuels the pretence that by protecting its border Europe is directly harming others. If these groups are unable to restrain themselves from inciting further violence, then perhaps the various European governments need to step in and do it for them.
Given the risk of hijacking, it is less likely civilian ships will attempt to pick up illegal migrants which is beneficial. The EU has also cancelled its Operation Sophia. Observation flights will continue but the ships which were trafficking people to Europe are stopped. Bit by bit the trafficking routes are being closed.0 -
Salvini has done more to stop human trafficking into Europe in a year than the Brussels bureaucrats have in 20.0
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Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »Yes, JFK airport 1995 i was pulled aside and had sniffer dogs check me out, I have also had my bags swabbed many times flying into many European countries. Are you saying they do this because of the Muslims?
Maybe you just look dodgy ?;)
I have been stopped by Australian and New Zealand border guards/customs and had a sniffer dog go at my bags.
It was not because of islamist terrorist but looking for food products, plants and probably drugs.
I was stopped by French customs and had sniffer dog sniff me and was put into car before boarding ferry back to Ireland and this was before 2001.
And it was not to do with islamist terrorism or any other type of terrorism but looking for drugs.
Likewise I was stopped by Guardia Civil entering Spain and had car searched.
And it had nothign to do with islamist terrorism.
But the fact I can no longer take a bottle of water on the plane has a lot to do with islamist terrorism.
Just like how I had to give my backpack into security when visiting NASA after 911.
Just like I can no longer take a backpack into Croke Park/Aviva without it being searched or confiscated.
Just like I have to sometimes remove my shoes now at security in an airport.
Just like how I would now need to get special VISA to go and do any type of flying in the US.
Before 911, that huge infamous islamist terrorist attack, one didn't need any special VISA to to recreational flying.Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »Are you trying to say that before islamic terrorist struck there were no innocent people (children included) killed innterrorist attacks? Because the good people of Birmingham and Warrington may disagree with you there!
Innocent people including children were always being killed by terrorists, but it was often by accident than outright goal, especially in latter years.
The like of PIRA were figthing a propaganda war as much as a real war, slaughtering civilians particularly children was counter productive for them.
That doesn't excuse their attrocities and if you look at my posting history you will see that.
I have only ever partially condoned one of their attacks and that was Warrenpoint, for obvious reasons.
But islamist terrorist don't care who they kill so long as they don't agree with their brand of islam.
In fact they have usually sought out the inocents rather than take on the forces of the state.Matt Barrett wrote: »...
Islamic terrorism has as much to do with Islam as Christianity does with the IRA or one of those American kids who like to shoot children in schools or black people in Church.
I think MadYaker eloquently countered this fallacy.
Islam is intrinsic to islamist terrorism.
Ehhh it is in the name FFS. :rolleyes:Matt Barrett wrote: »Did you ever hear Muslims complain about black people taking their jobs as they shot up a church, or complaining about not being able to pick up women as they ran over pedestrians on the side of a road? You're not making much of a point really other than possibly explaining why religion might play a role over economics or racial hatred in the mindset of someone from a Muslim background. Ultimately, 'not all Muslims' should be' the vast majority of'...don't partake in terrorist activities. Stating all Muslim terrorists are Muslim, is factual.
No one ever states ALL muslims are islamist terrorists.
What I and others are continually saying is there is a very worrying minority that are and that support jihadists.
And even if you rule out jihadist supporters and staunch fundamentalists, there is sometimes even a majority that have very conservative and backward views on our secular societies, womens' rights, homosexuality, etc.
Views that are not compatable with 21st century westerner world.
The real hyprocrisy amongst a lot of so called liberals in the West, and indeed here, is that when christians espouse those same type of beliefs they are pilloried whereas all we get about muslims is "it is not all muslims asnd you are an islamaphobe".0 -
The migrant hijackers of that merchant ship are now pirates and should be treated as such.
Shipping in the region needs to view these smuggler ships as pirate threats.0 -
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I think MadYaker eloquently countered this fallacy.
Islam is intrinsic to islamist terrorism.
Ehhh it is in the name FFS. :rolleyes:
And I agreed with him.No one ever states ALL muslims are islamist terrorists.
What I and others are continually saying is there is a very worrying minority that are and that support jihadists.
Grand so. My mistake. A minority of Muslims partake in terrorism. Agreed.And even if you rule out jihadist supporters and staunch fundamentalists, there is sometimes even a majority that have very conservative and backward views on our secular societies, womens' rights, homosexuality, etc.
Views that are not compatable with 21st century westerner world.
Who's 21st century westerner world, the Roman Catholic one, the Jewish one, the Muslin one or the Protestant one? Are these Westerners a hotchpotch of 'first world' countries where religions freedom is a thing? If so, all sorts are welcome to believe what they like in the western world even when it's not compatible with the vast majority.The real hyprocrisy amongst a lot of so called liberals in the West, and indeed here, is that when christians espouse those same type of beliefs they are pilloried whereas all we get about muslims is "it is not all muslims asnd you are an islamaphobe".
I'd simply say folk such as yourself need to be clearer on that. It's not clear when people, such as yourself will discuss terrorism and the entire Muslim religion, featuring traits you don't like, in the same post.0 -
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Matt Barrett wrote: »
Grand so. My mistake. A minority of Muslims partake in terrorism. Agreed.
You are being economical with the truth there.
I said ...No one ever states ALL muslims are islamist terrorists.
What I and others are continually saying is there is a very worrying minority that are and that support jihadists.
It is a very worrying minority.
It is not a tiny minority as you might play it, but quite sizable when you look at the tacit level of support for fundemantalists.
23,000 jihadists in UK.
Now when you look at 2.7 million muslims it doesn't look like a large percentage, but 23,000 is quite a scary amount to me anyway.Matt Barrett wrote: »Who's 21st century westerner world, the Roman Catholic one, the Jewish one, the Muslin one or the Protestant one? Are these Westerners a hotchpotch of 'first world' countries where religions freedom is a thing? If so, all sorts are welcome to believe what they like in the western world even when it's not compatible with the vast majority.
Stop trying to play dumb.
You know damn well that a sizable portion, sometimes over 50%, of muslim population hold views that would be akin to the most right wing christians or Jews.
Yet those last two religions, christanity in particular, are pilloried and lambasted for such views, but muslims are given a pass.
Hell the usual refrain is to accuse people of a phobia. :rolleyes:
Why is the threshold for unacceptable views set so high for muslims.0 -
You are being economical with the truth there.
I said ...
It is a very worrying minority.
It is not a tiny minority as you might play it, but quite sizable when you look at the tacit level of support for fundemantalists.
23,000 jihadists in UK.
Now when you look at 2.7 million muslims it doesn't look like a large percentage, but 23,000 is quite a scary amount to me anyway.
Stop trying to play dumb.
You know damn well that a sizable portion, sometimes over 50%, of muslim population hold views that would be akin to the most right wing christians or Jews.
Yet those last two religions, christanity in particular, are pilloried and lambasted for such views, but muslims are given a pass.
Hell the usual refrain is to accuse people of a phobia. :rolleyes:
Why is the threshold for unacceptable views set so high for muslims.
It isn't. The question is why muslims are treated as a threat to liberal values while the rest aren't. Certainly I've never heard of a call to ban immigration or the granting of irish citizenship to free presbyterians.0 -
It isn't. The question is why muslims are treated as a threat to liberal values while the rest aren't. Certainly I've never heard of a call to ban immigration or the granting of irish citizenship to free presbyterians.
Well we don't have much choice we signed up to the good Friday agreement and so did they. Islam is an completely alien, backward and barbaric way of life and when was the last time you heard of a conservative Christian terror attack or child rape gang.0 -
It isn't. The question is why muslims are treated as a threat to liberal values while the rest aren't. Certainly I've never heard of a call to ban immigration or the granting of irish citizenship to free presbyterians.
Well we don't have much choice we signed up to the good Friday agreement and so did they. Islam is an completely alien, backward and barbaric way of life and when was the last time you heard of a conservative Christian terror attack or child rape gang.
You should check the news more regularly . There was quite a massive terror attack in New Zealand recently.0 -
Well we don't have much choice we signed up to the good Friday agreement and so did they. Islam is an completely alien, backward and barbaric way of life and when was the last time you heard of a conservative Christian terror attack or child rape gang.
"conservative christian terror attack" is far too common depending on where you live. Considering we live on an island where "mixed" couples can only live in certain areas, I shouldn't have to point that out.
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In the United States, violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eleven people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, a police officer, two people (unclear of their connection), and a clinic escort;[I 17][I 18] Seven murders occurred in the 1990s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/01/2018-killings-linked-1995-adl-190124143748024.html
A 'muslim child rape gang' is a misnomer. Child rape, sex outside marriage and so on are explicitly forbidden under islam. It's a cultural problem within certain countries.0 -
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"conservative christian terror attack" is far too common depending on where you live. Considering we live on an island where "mixed" couples can only live in certain areas, I shouldn't have to point that out.
A 'muslim child rape gang' is a misnomer. Child rape, sex outside marriage and so on are explicitly forbidden under islam. It's a cultural problem within certain countries.
We're talking about here and now. Not back to the times of the troubles in the North. Currently Islamic terror is a far bigger than Republican or paramilitary terrorism. The troubles in the North were more to with a race and identity battle between the original Irish settlers and Scottish planters. If the agenda was purely based on hatred of Catholics you wouldn't have had Spanish Catholics playing for Rangers which has happened.
Back to the topic at hand mohammed himself was a bloody peado he married and shagged 9 year old Aisha and don't tell me times were different back in the middle ages a 9 year old is a 9 year old. He's the Islamic idol not much of an example was he.0 -
WinnyThePoo wrote: »You should check the news more regularly . There was quite a massive terror attack in New Zealand recently.
And for a start was that directly attributed to Christianity. 49 people being killed in a shooting at a mosque is nothing compared to the 1,000s that have been killed at the hands of Islamic savagery in the west since 9/11.0 -
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The current situation for persons in a 'mixed marriage' is no different.
Well it's certainly not something that's well publicised these days the newest article I could find regarding mixed marriages is from 1998. So I'm sure things may have changed since then.
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/many-mixed-marriage-couples-face-old-pressures-1.122902
Back on the actual topic it's complete hypocrisy that every time there is an Islamic terror attack we are told it's not all Muslims but after Christchurch the same people were blaming anyone who is anti mass immigration for being responsible for the terror attack double standards don't ya think.0 -
Merkel's children continue to bring the benefits of diversity to Europe.
1 Iraqi national has been arrested in Austria, and 2 in the Czech Republic under suspicion of attempting to derail German trains twice in 2018. Only a mixture of luck and incompetence prevented two major disasters with the loss of hundreds of lives.
Meanwhile, it emerged in testimony of a key witness that Pamela Matropietro was likely dismembered while still alive. She was allegedly raped and then stabbed by her drug dealer, the ironically named Innocent Oseghale and his associates. As he dismembered the teenager, she apparently cried out, so he stabbed her again. Her body was later found in a number of different suitcases.0 -
Well it's certainly not something that's well publicised these days the newest article I could find regarding mixed marriages is from 1998. So I'm sure things may have changed since then.
No, they haven't.
https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/csc/reports/mixed.htmBack on the actual topic it's complete hypocrisy that every time there is an Islamic terror attack we are told it's not all Muslims but after Christchurch the same people were blaming anyone who is anti mass immigration for being responsible for the terror attack double standards don't ya think.
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Matt Barrett wrote: »Did you ever hear Muslims complain about black people taking their jobs as they shot up a church, or complaining about not being able to pick up women as they ran over pedestrians on the side of a road?
As pointed already out the gunmen/bombers always shout about Allah being the bestest God + make their little videos full of religious terminology about striking down "infidels" in the West (like harassed commuters trying to get from A to B or kids attending a concert) who have unjustly attacked the muslim world.
It is very much bound up with the religion (and the need to extirpate enemies of Islam) according to the people who do the actual "Islamic" terrorism all over the world, but many "enlightened" people generally on the left of politics know better of course!
edit: trying to somehow absolve Islam of responsibility is as pointless as trying to claim far right ideologies have nothing to do with likes of Anders Brevik etc. Most people won't buy it if they have a brain (and a wish to use it!) IMO.0 -
fly_agaric wrote: »As pointed already out the gunmen/bombers always shout about Allah being the bestest God + make their little videos full of religious terminology about striking down "infidels" in the West (like harassed commuters trying to get from A to B or kids attending a concert) who have unjustly attacked the muslim world.
It is very much bound up with the religion (and the need to extirpate enemies of Islam) according to the people who do the actual "Islamic" terrorism all over the world, but many "enlightened" people generally on the left of politics know better of course!
edit: trying to somehow absolve Islam of responsibility is as pointless as trying to claim far right ideologies have nothing to do with likes of Anders Brevik etc. Most people won't buy it if they have a brain (and a wish to use it!) IMO.
Islam is a terrible religion. I have zero interest in defending it. However I’ve met many lovely Muslims and absolutely oppose discriminating against them because they follow a particular religion.
Personally I’ve been harmed more by Catholicism than any other religion. But again I won’t discriminate against catholics.they/them/theirs
And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek
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Islam is a terrible religion. I have zero interest in defending it. However I’ve met many lovely Muslims and absolutely oppose discriminating against them because they follow a particular religion.
Personally I’ve been harmed more by Catholicism than any other religion. But again I won’t discriminate against catholics.
Going back to the thread topic, I have no problem with discrimination against people who are seeking to come & live in Europe on almost any basis whatsoever within constraints of laws of the countries & constitutions etc (i.e. not letting them in for reasons that we decide based on judgement of whether it is of benefit to those here already or not!).
It's not very "nice" I suppose, but there you are.0 -
Matt Barrett wrote: »Religions and political ideologies would prefer we all sang from the same hymn sheet. That's all. Anything you can say about one ideology you can pretty much say about another. I don't have Muslims, Quakers, Jews etc. trying to convert me or badger me to stay Kosher, no.
This paragraph is a contradiction.
You say that all ideologies want to convert you (sing from the same hymn sheet) but then admit that some don't try and convert you.
It is a long established practice that the Jewish faith does not seek converts. This has been known form the last 2000 years.
The whole 'Sure all religions are the same' is just bogus nonsense. It's the lazy man's argument to the problem of Islam and it's more ardent believers and belief's.0 -
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Matt Barrett wrote: »Quaker Oats are a reasonable breakfast. I enjoyed Harrison Ford's 'Witness'. 'Fiddler on the Roof' is a delight.
You're talking impact, I'm not.
Religions and political ideologies would prefer we all sang from the same hymn sheet. That's all. Anything you can say about one ideology you can pretty much say about another. I don't have Muslims, Quakers, Jews etc. trying to convert me or badger me to stay Kosher, no.
Chrstianity and Islam are pretty much the only ones who actively seek to spread and convert.
Jahovas witnesses are not supposed to maintain friendships or relationships with non believers.
Islam preaches death to non believers.
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Eric Cartman wrote: »Chrstianity and Islam are pretty much the only ones who actively seek to spread and convert.
Jahovas witnesses are not supposed to maintain friendships or relationships with non believers.
Islam preaches death to non believers.
these are the real differences.
Wish the chaps knocking on my door knew that...0 -
YouGov has run polling across a number of EU countries, trying to identify the key issues/challenges on the minds of EU voters in each country. The YouGov report itself does not appear to be publicly available, so we are forced to rely on media reports. The Guardian has attempted to spin the report that emigration is more concerning than immigration for six southern European countries which have experienced depopulation.
This has two consequences. Contrary to the narrative of media like the Guardian, there must be more to the political success of Orban, Salvini and increasingly Spanish populist groups than simple xenophobia. They're attempting to offer more to their people than plane tickets to London, Paris or Berlin. Secondly, as the Guardian is forced to admit, the higher priority of immigration in the total population highlights the weight given to immigration as a problem in the north and west where emigration is not a concern.
Mass migration to make up the numbers is simply replacing one problem with another, greater problem:The survey found that Islamic radicalism was the top area of concern, worrying about one in five Europeans, though fears were much higher in countries like Belgium, France and the Netherlands than in eastern Europe.
Clearly Islamic radicalism is an issue for countries like Belgium, France and the Netherlands. Clearly is not an issue for eastern European countries. Because western Europe encouraged mass migration, creating enduring Islamic communities in their own countries. Eastern European countries did not. Cause and effect. Rather than learning from their own failures, certain EU member-states appear hellbent on replicating their mistakes in other countries.
Whatever other problems Eastern European countries may face, they would not be aided by creating the conditions for an Islamic insurgency.0 -
I think all this immigration could work better if it was underpinned by solid legislation and laws.
1: Commit a serious crime that effects the society that you emigrated to and you go home.
2: 3 strikes and you're out citizenship revoked / deportation system also.
To use China as an example. I get that country is far from perfect, but try commiting a crime over there as an immigrant and see how you fare? Guy I know got caught drinking driving. 14 days in jail and deportation. No appeal, no winging, just out the door. Had his chance and blew it. Deemed to have nothing further to offer their society.
We need a similar system here in Europe. It would mean we might get a much better class of immigrants, willing to obey our laws and contribute to our society.
We have enough issues dealing with our own to be taking in more headcases.0 -
I think all this immigration could work better if it was underpinned by solid legislation and laws.
1: Commit a serious crime that effects the society that you emigrated to and you go home.
2: 3 strikes and you're out citizenship revoked / deportation system also.
To use China as an example. I get that country is far from perfect, but try commiting a crime over there as an immigrant and see how you fare? Guy I know got caught drinking driving. 14 days in jail and deportation. No appeal, no winging, just out the door. Had his chance and blew it. Deemed to have nothing further to offer their society.
We need a similar system here in Europe. It would mean we might get a much better class of immigrants, willing to obey our laws and contribute to our society.
We have enough issues dealing with our own to be taking in more headcases.
Hate to side with china but thats exactly what we need, get anything more than a speeding fine and your out , along with a high time limit welfare ban.0 -
Islam is a terrible religion. I have zero interest in defending it. However I’ve met many lovely Muslims and absolutely oppose discriminating against them because they follow a particular religion.
Personally I’ve been harmed more by Catholicism than any other religion. But again I won’t discriminate against catholics.
I'm been harmed by Catholicism too. But it was never went to such a degree (in my lifetime) that I felt my personal relationships should be a criminal offense or on the more extreme end lead to being thrown off the top of a building. I agree that over time one could argue that every religion taught hate towards homosexuals, but Islam seems to be the most brutal about it. And currently so is the point, and is hardly going to go away anytime soon.
Can you not see that I as a homosexual would wish to discourage a growing Islamic demographic in our country or any other westernized country to which I may emigrate to some day. I'm also non religious and wouldn't encourage or applaud any rise in any major religion, so I would't be picking on Islam particularly but all of them.
I'm sure your aware that in the UK there is a ongoing story related to 'equality classes' being taught in schools. Muslim communities have objected to them ostensibly because they feel they are being taught to kids who are too young but actually because there is a majority of Muslims in the UK who think homosexuality should be a criminal offense. The irony of Muslims today in the UK complaining about equality classes when they scream Islamophobia at every opportunity.
On your point of "I've met lovely Muslims" - it's not about your personal social interactions with them. I've met 'lovely' Muslim too in collage, 2 women who kept to themselves. Nice to chat to too when you interacted with them - all of a very limited scope though. Don't want to be fraternizing too much with those heathen Westerners.
Another Muslim I personally know of married my Irish first cousin, from Morocco herself. Her family don't speak to her anymore because she married an Irishman. Completely ostracized. What kind of society does this? I'm sure if you met her family you'd think they were just 'lovely' too. So much for integration.
To be completely fair after living in London for the best part of 15 years, I had much more of a problem with black ppl than Muslims. A problem in that the few times I had been a victim of minor criminality perpetrated against both myself and others around me, it was exclusively perpetrated by either black Africans or Jamaicans. Not a surprising fact given what we're hearing in the news these days regarding knife crime in particular south London. But at the same time I found that blacks integrate well into society there, but with Muslims there is always that....uneasy distance.0 -
Eric Cartman wrote: »Chrstianity and Islam are pretty much the only ones who actively seek to spread and convert.
Jahovas witnesses are not supposed to maintain friendships or relationships with non believers.
Islam preaches death to non believers.
these are the real differences.
That's a bit more complicated than you're leading on though isn't it?
"There shall be no compulsion in religion" (2:256)
One of the verses heavily relied upon is in relation to Western interventions in Muslim nations "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors." (2:190)
"And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do." (8:39)
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." (9:5)
The problem is that although Islam preaches the supremacy of Islam, it really only covers the conversion of "Pagans". It effectively feels sorry for Christianity for not accepting "the Messenger" but has no problem with people who believe in Allah (the exact same god as Christianity) and they believe Jesus Christ is a high prophet. That is... until those people come to the Middle East to bring war.0 -
I think all this immigration could work better if it was underpinned by solid legislation and laws.
1: Commit a serious crime that effects the society that you emigrated to and you go home.
2: 3 strikes and you're out citizenship revoked / deportation system also.
To use China as an example. I get that country is far from perfect, but try commiting a crime over there as an immigrant and see how you fare? Guy I know got caught drinking driving. 14 days in jail and deportation. No appeal, no winging, just out the door. Had his chance and blew it. Deemed to have nothing further to offer their society.
We need a similar system here in Europe. It would mean we might get a much better class of immigrants, willing to obey our laws and contribute to our society.
We have enough issues dealing with our own to be taking in more headcases.
1. Already the law
2. Unconstitutional (plus we're not really giving migrants citizenships)0 -
Schnitzler Hiyori Geta wrote: »1. Already the law
2. Unconstitutional (plus we're not really giving migrants citizenships)
Has each and every one of those non nationals involved in the taxi scam been deported.
What about the woman who the Sunday Times ran the article on re her asylum claims, she is running for public office or was anyway.
The door has been left wide open anyway, we have hundreds of thousands of non nationals here and the authorities probably dont know who half of them are, hence the ease with which they set about scamming the taxi regulators and the amount of them that trafficked in women to "marry"them in Ireland so they could qualify for EU citizenship. These criminals are so far ahead of the Gardai and other security forces thats its laughable to think anyone is keeping control.
We now have a ludicrous situation where one person is given asylum even though he flew here on a plane and had to right to enter this country, he then sits it out here while the fat cat lawyers submit their free legal aid fees and eventually he gets to stay. Next thing he applies for family reunification and maybe two dozen of the rellies in North Africa then sell up and then we have to house the whole lot and provide school places and health care and probably for a decade or more as most of the clan are unemployable. Then the claims for child benefit are put in and these economic migrants tend to have a lot of children and its the mug taxpayer who cant afford to have his own childrenwho is funding all of this.
Its no wonder other European countries are moving to the right, they are decades ahead of us on this, Imean look at the knife crime in London. You wont see the Guardian mentioning its black on black crime or mentioning that these black teenagers would be safer in Somalia than they are in London, its an utter farce.0 -
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Has each and every one of those non nationals involved in the taxi scam been deported.
What about the woman who the Sunday Times ran the article on re her asylum claims, she is running for public office or was anyway.
The door has been left wide open anyway, we have hundreds of thousands of non nationals here and the authorities probably dont know who half of them are, hence the ease with which they set about scamming the taxi regulators and the amount of them that trafficked in women to "marry"them in Ireland so they could qualify for EU citizenship. These criminals are so far ahead of the Gardai and other security forces thats its laughable to think anyone is keeping control.
You have a source for this?We now have a ludicrous situation where one person is given asylum even though he flew here on a plane and had to right to enter this country, he then sits it out here while the fat cat lawyers submit their free legal aid fees and eventually he gets to stay. Next thing he applies for family reunification and maybe two dozen of the rellies in North Africa then sell up and then we have to house the whole lot and provide school places and health care and probably for a decade or more as most of the clan are unemployable. Then the claims for child benefit are put in and these economic migrants tend to have a lot of children and its the mug taxpayer who cant afford to have his own childrenwho is funding all of this.
Its no wonder other European countries are moving to the right, they are decades ahead of us on this, Imean look at the knife crime in London. You wont see the Guardian mentioning its black on black crime or mentioning that these black teenagers would be safer in Somalia than they are in London, its an utter farce.
You realise that we are now one of the hardest countries to be granted asylum in?0
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