DART attack last night

thomasj

http://www.thejournal.ie/dart-trains-planned-and-organised-4001430-May2018/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/passengers-threatened-in-deliberate-and-orchestrated-graffiti-attack-on-dart-1.3489057

Thats crazy what went on but thankfully noone hurt.

ixoy

Recently Killester DART station has had a big graffiti problem. It gets cleaned up only to reappear. It's only happened this year, never in the previous seven years. Is it perhaps all one gang going after trains and stations? Utter little scum either way.

thomasj

ixoy wrote:

Recently Killester DART station has had a big graffiti problem. It gets cleaned up only to reappear. It's only happened this year, never in the previous five years. Is it perhaps all one gang going after trains and stations? Utter little scum either way.

Yeah that's my worry , that this might be the one gang and it might become more widespread across the Dublin network in the future. Hopefully not.

spurious

thomasj wrote: »

Yeah that's my worry , that this might be the one gang and it might become more widespread across the Dublin network in the future. Hopefully not.

Where do their parents think they are? The library?

thomasj

spurious wrote:

Where do their parents think they are? The library?

In some cases , I'm not sure it would cross their mind !

godtabh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZybUKAtD40

Is it just the DART line? Wasn't there a big issue of lads breaking into Clontarf and doing the same?

MrStuffins

Irish Rail said the attack “exposes the lie that graffiti vandals are engaged in some sort of artistic endeavour.”

:pac::pac::pac:

Del.Monte

I've been warning CIE about this carry on for years but to no avail. Nothing will change.
On Lavhline now.

magicbastarder

MrStuffins wrote: »

Irish Rail said the attack “exposes the lie that graffiti vandals are engaged in some sort of artistic endeavour.”

:pac::pac::pac:

that gave me a chuckle too. as if this proves that anyone with a rattlecan is a violent thug.

Tarabuses

Del.Monte wrote: »

I've been warning CIE about this carry on for years but to no avail. Nothing will change.
On Lavhline now.

Yes, heard it on Liveline. It must have been an ordeal for those on board the DART. Did the Gardai arrive eventually?

dublinman1990

Frightening little scumbags. I don't know how their parents keep up with their racket.

This sentence made me laugh though from the indo. Whoever said it deserves a medal.

One onlooker said 20 “filth balls” had stopped a train and spray painted “an entire carriage for a good 15 minutes interrupted.”

lol

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/gang-of-20-youths-wearing-balaclavas-storm-dart-with-knives-and-blocks-of-wood-36889670.html

But in all seriousness. I hope the little filth balls get caught by the Guards sooner or later and throw away the key.

Roy Batty

How on earth can this happen in a modern European capital city ?
A train held up for 15 minutes by criminals, and no police arrive in time to arrest anyone ??

Stephen15

Did they pull the emmergency break?

hmmm

Roy Batty wrote: »

How on earth can this happen in a modern European capital city ?
A train held up for 15 minutes by criminals, and no police arrive in time to arrest anyone ??

You're asking the right questions now I think. A gang wearing balaclavas stormed a train, in Dublin, threatening passengers and possibly armed, and the police didn't turn up for 15 minutes? Who cares about graffiti, this could have been a lot worse.

pxdf9i5cmoavkz

Roy Batty wrote: »

How on earth can this happen in a modern European capital city ?
A train held up for 15 minutes by criminals, and no police arrive in time to arrest anyone ??

That's an easy question to answer.

Two words that sum up Clongriffin:
1. Kip.
2. Underclass.

Stephen15

hmmm wrote: »

You're asking the right questions now I think. A gang wearing balaclavas stormed a train, in Dublin, threatening passengers and possibly armed, and the police didn't turn up for 15 minutes? Who cares about graffiti, this could have been a lot worse.

Look up videos of train bombing on youtube and you'd find loads of it happening on Berlin. Fairly common to see trains on the continent covered in graffiti

devnull

JasonS246 wrote: »

That's an easy question to answer.

Two words that sum up Clongriffin:
1. Kip.
2. Underclass.

If you think Clongriffin is bad clearly you live a very sheltered life - there are many far worse areas of Dublin!

Effects

Roy Batty wrote: »

How on earth can this happen in a modern European capital city ?

We aren’t that modern. This has been going on for at least 15 years in other modern European cities.

devnull

Effects wrote: »

We aren’t that modern. This has been going on for at least 15 years in other modern European cities.

If you want to see graffiti on trains, go to Rome and use the Metro, it's more uncommon to find a train without graffiti than with, especially on the second line with the older trains.

Del.Monte

devnull wrote: »

If you want to see graffiti on trains, go to Rome and use the Metro, it's more uncommon to find a train without graffiti than with, especially on the second line with the older trains.

So does that mean we should accept this sort of behaviour in Ireland.

One old dear who rang Lavhline today suggested plain clothes gardai on the trains - innovative or what but I suppose they are all too busy massaging the crime stats and preventing gangland figures from killing each other. :rolleyes:

magicbastarder

Del.Monte wrote: »

So does that mean we should accept this sort of behaviour in Ireland.

that was a reaction to a 'this doesn't happen anywhere else' style post; you're attacking it for something it didn't claim to be.

Stephen15

devnull wrote: »

If you want to see graffiti on trains, go to Rome and use the Metro, it's more uncommon to find a train without graffiti than with, especially on the second line with the older trains.

All the graffiti on the Metro there looks like it was done years ago. Most stations there have armed security.

Del.Monte

Yeah, you're right I'm just narked the way this carry on is dealt with - like everything else that the dead hand of the State is involved with.

AdrianII

A gang stormed the train armed with knives and weapons. If this was any other country that would be seen as a terrorist threat. If that happened in the uk or USA those lads would be 6 ft under with a bullet to the head.

Policing system over here is brutal. 15 minute response time. Ha. Were the cops on break or something.

The only way of stopping this is to police the transit systems or to do a re design of the entrances. The tag system is great but anyone can hop over the barriers. Compare that to the underground in the UK or US and they are like Fort Knox to leave.

Atoms for Peace

Another reason to vote Yes.

Stephen15

I have seen some idiotic comments saying that to stop this carry on we should introduce national service well in Greece they have national and the place is still covered in graffiti much worse than in Ireland.

I would say the people who did this were likely middle class alternative kids. Working class kids wouldn't have the money to buy spray paint.

magicbastarder

i suspect the sort of people who storm a train in the manner described - no matter what class they are - are not the sort who worry about 'affording' paint.

Grandeeod

Del.Monte wrote: »

I've been warning CIE about this carry on for years but to no avail. Nothing will change.
On Lavhline now.

I knew Irish rail would sell it on the basis of Graffiti artists gone mad and many would get sucked in by it. Yes there is a graffiti problem, but this was thuggery and very little to do with graffiti arstists that spray trains in depots during the night. This event is downright crime and a safety threat to passengers. We need transport police across all PT and we need it sooner than later.

Fiery mutant

Stephen15 wrote: »

Look up videos of train bombing on youtube and you'd find loads of it happening on Berlin. Fairly common to see trains on the continent covered in graffiti

I think the difference here, is that the train was forcibly stopped, in the station by a gang of masked and armed men, for 15 minutes, in order to do damage.

In other European cities it tends to happen in stations while the trains are parked up.

Stephen15

Similar incident I wonder???

https://twitter.com/IrishRail/status/994319207272730624?s=19

Effects

AdrianII wrote: »

The tag system is great but anyone can hop over the barriers. Compare that to the underground in the UK or US and they are like Fort Knox to leave.

When was the last time you were in the UK? You can easily hop the barriers. Loads of them are open a lot of the time too.

Effects

Stephen15 wrote: »

Working class kids wouldn't have the money to buy spray paint.

So they would just steal it instead or sell drugs to buy it.

Effects

Grandeeod wrote: »

Yes there is a graffiti problem, but this was thuggery and very little to do with graffiti arstists that spray trains in depots during the night.

Just slightly different tactics and morals.

Effects

Fiery mutant wrote: »

I think the difference here, is that the train was forcibly stopped, in the station by a gang of masked and armed men, for 15 minutes, in order to do damage.
In other European cities it tends to happen in stations while the trains are parked up.

Same thing happens abroad, and has been going on far longer than it has here.
When yards got hard to paint at night other tactics had to be adopted.
The only reason you don't know about it there is because it wasn't in the Irish news.

Stephen15

Effects wrote: »

So they would just steal it instead or sell drugs to buy it.

No they buy Nike/Adidas tracksuits and runners instead. Most people who do graffiti on bridges and trains are middle class dare devilly types and they have competitions it seems to get their graffiti in most most awkward and dangerous locations. In middle class areas the graffiti you get is mostly colourful and somewhat artistic I guess you could say. In council estates it's usually just things like IRA scrawled on walls etc.

Jamie2k9

devnull wrote: »

If you think Clongriffin is bad clearly you live a very sheltered life - there are many far worse areas of Dublin!

For Irish Rail its probably now top of the list for anti social behavior. There were/are plans but not sure what progress has been made.

Post 21.00 closure wouldn't do any harm indifferently. Plenty of people don't use the station anymore.

Effects

Stephen15 wrote: »

No they buy Nike/Adidas tracksuits and runners instead.

You shouldn't pigeonhole peasants like that.

Grandeeod

Effects wrote: »

Just slightly different tactics and morals.

:rolleyes: Yep whatever. This incident is not a graffiti problem. It's simply another social media organized crazy gang of scumbags.

Transport police, a concept we don't seem to worry about in Ireland, despite the AGS failing to address on street crime. We've a long way to go. Not my worry. I'm merely commenting.

Effects

Del.Monte wrote: »

I've been warning CIE about this carry on for years but to no avail. Nothing will change.
On Lavhline now.

How have you been warning them?

Stephen15

I was on an train in Italy there recently and I found it hard to find a seat where you could actually see out the window due the large amount of graffiti covering had the same problem in Portugal too the windows so it's definitely not an exclusive problem in Ireland.

You don't see too much graffiti on trains here in Ireland unless the trains have been parked up for a long time such the mk3's or the DART 8200 class. I wonder is this because IE are very good at removing it or is it not as big an issue here in Ireland.

TallGlass

So, I imagine a few 999 calls going in along the lines of there's a gang, wearing balaclavas, armed with knifes and bats, attacking a train.

Yet it takes the Garda or ERU 15 mins to respond. That is a serious fúcking joke.

Just be thankful it was just spray paint and not terrorist activity.

Someone needs to ask the Garda why it took them 15 mins to arrive.

goingnowhere

Exactly, no excuses the gardai should have been on site and in force a lot sooner. Try this in London, Berlin and if the cops show up its going to be heavy, armed and if you wave a weapon around you are getting zapped or shot.

Also you have a 999 call from Irish Rail control centre so no question as to the validity of the incident to the Gardai as they are watching it live on CCTV.

Arcade_Tryer

TallGlass wrote: »

Just be thankful it was just spray paint and not terrorist activity.

Indeed. The Dart from Dublin City to Malahide is a massive target for terrorists apparently.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Indeed. The Dart from Dublin City to Malahide is a massive target for terrorists apparently.

This kinda sneering response is a problem. The gardai should turn up in minutes for any mass social disorder, you know as practice for any potential terrorist attacks. Or mass shootings or mass violence. All of which are probable.

Arcade_Tryer

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

This kinda sneering response is a problem.

Indeed. A massive problem.

The gardai should turn up in minutes for any mass social disorder, you know as practice for any potential terrorist attacks. Or mass shootings or mass violence. All of which are probable.

How probable?

bodice ripper

Mad that everyone assumes you are talking kids here.

Del.Monte

Effects wrote: »

How have you been warning them?

How do you think. By repeatedly raising the matter - in writing - with the various CEOs in IE down the years. I was wasting my time of course but my conscience is clear as at least I tried rather than just giving out in the pub or on Boards.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Indeed. A massive problem.
How probable?

61.24564123500986%

If we don’t have an ERU prepared to get to any kind of emergency within minutes we should disband it.

JeffK88

Perhaps a transport police similar to the Airport Police could be established. They could cover bus/rail and perhaps Luas & eventually metro.

Effects

Del.Monte wrote: »

How do you think. By repeatedly raising the matter - in writing - with the various CEOs in IE down the years. I was wasting my time of course but my conscience is clear as at least I tried rather than just giving out in the pub or on Boards.

Dear CEO,
You need to do something about the scourge of graffiti on trains.
Heed my warning or some day a gang of youths will pull the emergency stop, block the doors and paint a whole carriage while wood and knife-weilding thugs threaten passengers.
At least my conscience will be clear when this one day comes to pass.
Regards,
Del Monte

TheBoyConor

Roy Batty wrote: »

How on earth can this happen in a modern European capital city ?
A train held up for 15 minutes by criminals, and no police arrive in time to arrest anyone ??

Exactly. Luckily they were spray painting but would the relaxed Garda response be the same if it was Allahu-snackbars running around slicing into passengers with machetes?
One should ring up and let them know that the tax disc on the train is out of date and they'd have an emergency response team at the station in 2 minutes.