Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119082827#Comment_119082827

Just to clarify my remarks about breaking news referred to specific circumstances like last Saturday night.

I didn't say it doesn't matter to me whether RTE broadcast during the day.

I said I don't watch RTE during the day.

If the demand is there and people want it I see no reason why it wouldn't happen.

RoTelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119082884#Comment_119082884

sorry but you said

I don't watch RTE during the day so I didn't miss 4pm news.

For example I could say

I don't watch RTÉ 9pm news so not having on during the Eurovision, I didn't miss it.

In other words because RTÉ have axed all their daytime news bulletins and because you don't watch RTÉ during the day it does not matter to you. But as a public service broadcaster it might matter to others.

RTÉ will not cover breaking news, I have an example that happened one Summer which would prove my point, but I can't think of it.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119082991#Comment_119082991

OK what I meant was that I didn't miss it when it was removed because I don't watch RTE during the day.

I hope that clarifies that matter to your satisfaction.

Absolutely if it is considered part of a PBS remit it should be provided.

Wild horses couldn't drag me to watch TV when most sport is on but I recognise that it is important to others and I have no problem contributing towards it through my taxes.

Whatever about your example the sort of high level breaking news I referred to could hardly be ignored by a Public Broadcasting Service.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119082847#Comment_119082847

You may be right it could be a challenge but in examples like I gave I couldn't see them not having an emergency plan.

RoTelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083058#Comment_119083058

And it is considered part of a PBS remit to carry news bulletins?

It wasn't ignored but they waited until their 6.1 news programme and as it was during happened in August they only had a 30 minute programme.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083074#Comment_119083074

Yes it is.

The number and duration of same should be agreed and stuck to.

I don't know what you are referring to in the last paragraph so sorry can't comment on it.

RoTelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083098#Comment_119083098

Well at least we are agreed that RTÉ have largely speaking abandoned daytime TV news, while having a "24 HOUR" news channel. Bizzare don't you think.

I will look up the example for you.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083113#Comment_119083113

I'm at a disadvantage in that I'm not familiar with the RTE daytime news offering now and in the past for the simple reason outlined above that I don't watch it.

So I hope you won't mind if I reserve judgement.

As I have said so many times before in our discussions I favour a broad national debate about what sort of PBS we want and I believe everything should be on the table.

I have always said news and current affairs should have a high priority.

Thanks for the offer to look up the example.

RoTelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083188#Comment_119083188

So RTÉ axe daytime news and you want to reserve judgement? Why? Do you not trust me to say that they had bulletins on during the day and now the have just a lunch time news?

A broad national debate, we are have this here and as I have said their have been several such debates since 2002, including the latest one in 2021 that has yet to be published by the Government.

You ever wonder why News on 2 and Late Night bulletins on 2fm and RTÉ ONE TV were axed by RTÉ?

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083232#Comment_119083232

Please don't be offended it's not a matter of me not trusting you.

I just don't want to jump into agreeing about terms like "largely abandoned" and "bizarre" on the hoof so to speak.

As I have said before the day the Government wake up and get on with providing the PBS we want and deserve will be a happy one.

No I never did for the same reason as the afternoon bulletin, I never heard or watched them.

RoTelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083310#Comment_119083310

You don't have to use those terms you can say just ask:-

Why doesn't RTÉ have any live TV news between 10pm until 1pm each day?

Or how is it that RTÉ 2fm has no news bulletin after 7pm but they continue to have a sports bulletin?

What if RTÉ Radio 1 axed late night news and late debate from Radio 1? It's not implausible.

You seem to think that because you only watch the core of RTÉ ONE and RTÉ Radio 1's programming that programming on the rest of their services don't matter, and as long as RTÉ continue to provide those core services you are happy.

You know that all independent Radio and TV services have to ask if they want to change their News and Current Affairs Schedules, while RTÉ can just axe their news and CA content unilaterally.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083368#Comment_119083368

OK I'll give some consideration to your post but it'll have to be tomorrow because I am about to retire, big day tomorrow.

If you have really been following the trend of my posting on broadcasting I don't see how you come to the conclusion that I just want what suits me and don't care about others.

I have repeatedly posted on here that everyone should have an input into the shape of PBS we ultimately end up with.

I don't expect to get everything I want out of it and I have no problem in my taxes paying for it.

Can't be clearer than that for now.

elperello

As promised I have reviewed our conversation from last night and find I have nothing to add at this point.

I stand over what I posted and accept your bona fides in the posts you contributed.

Happy to continue or leave it as you see fit.

RoTelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119087040#Comment_119087040

first congratulations on your retirement.

This is how I see it: -

RTÉ have cut back massively on home produced programming but I don't see why.

I would have thought that RTÉ2 is a core service and as such it would have programmes produced for it.

Now they might say well people have moved online and we are doing more of that type of programming online with the player, but cuts to RTÉ2 came long before they started on any online programming that would have normally aired on RTÉ2. (And the Player originals do not in anyway replace the amount of content on RTÉ2).

So we still have to consider it a core service. Is there anything that shows us that RTÉ2 is an Irish Broadcaster? This week they will have 2 hours of Irish content, you could possibly add 30 to 60 mins when you include new children's programming. For the entire week!

Can you imagine if either TG4 or Virgin Media one did this? TG4 cannot due to the Irish Language, while Virgin Media one's license insists on 30% of programming coming from Ireland (Okay I know it is only Ireland AM and news programming in the main).

Then if I wanted I could argue that even the simplest programmes aren't produced by RTÉ: -

No Quiz Shows, No Comedy (I am not including Chat shows), little independent Drama (both RTÉ and VMTV seem to think they should only invest in high end drama god forbid that that they would consider a series like Can't Cope Won't Cope or Batchelors Walk), much like Drama is big big extravagant Entertainment shows or nothing, so much so that for a few week they aired Ant & Dec.

Then as I have pointed out News programming has been cut, while it takes a break in August "also know as the silly season", 3 times due to corna they had to run around to produce an hour long Six One.

And keeping with simple programming why does their core afternoon programme take a break in June, July, August and September, you don't see that with Ireland AM.

These are all regular things you would expect from a broadcaster, I am not even talking about their Public Service Remit.

RTÉ needs reform, if you throw more money at it you will still get an August break for the news, little to no comedy, a 4 month break for their daytime programme, they don't even do a morning show. And why I am I so certain of that? Because that's what we've largely got in the past.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119087268#Comment_119087268

Bit of a crossed wire there.

I meant I was retiring for the night because I had a busy day today not that I was going into retirement 🙂

RoTelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119087300#Comment_119087300

🤣 I though you were having a party tonight so I was surprise by your reply 🤣

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119087329#Comment_119087329

No party, flaked out after a hard day 🙂

fritzelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119087268#Comment_119087268

I used to watch RTE2 years ago when it would have a lot of the US shows on it - haven't looked at the station in about a decade I would say, if not more

Now it seems to be just full on repeats with reality crap and the likes - can't see what benefit it is to anyone, tho going by their viewing figures I am not alone in not watching it

RoTelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119087396#Comment_119087396

Only programming being watch on RTÉ2 is Sport. When they do have Irish programming it shots to the top of programmes viewed, but those programmes are under pressure because they are surrounded by Repeats or imports RTÉ fail to advertise. Most of their international content remains on the channel but after 11pm, and much of that they don't get the online rights to (though that is changing)... they spend €25m on imported programming and it hasn't been cut once. At least between the biggest US and UK imports RTÉ2/Network2 had its own programming. Now its just sports. Its audience share is between 4% and 6%, VMTV TWO as 3% as does Sky News since it move on to Saorview and I suppose the war in Ukraine.

RoTelly

Over to RTÉ

Head of Arts

https://www.rte.ie/eile/2022/0512/1297649-annmarie-power-on-why-public-media-matters/

Head of Drama (acting)

https://www.rte.ie/eile/2022/0512/1297650-david-crean-on-why-public-media-matters/

Head of RnaG

https://www.rte.ie/eile/2022/0512/1297651-gearoid-mac-donnacha-on-why-public-media-matters/

One assumed their AR is about to be published, it being the end of May.

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ShamNNspace

Hospital live... What are they like at all

fritzelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119108837#Comment_119108837

Bet they didn't last 5 minutes without a death or sob story

RoTelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119108983#Comment_119108983

Wonder how Zoo Live will go in June... Yes Zoo Live. Yes I SAID ZOO LIVE .... you couldn't make it up

jippo nolan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119108837#Comment_119108837

Isn’t she the wan that was “released” from TV3?

ShamNNspace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119109073#Comment_119109073

That I wouldn't know 🤔

RoTelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119109073#Comment_119109073

I think you are thinking of Sinead Desmond, Anna et al were made redundant back in September.

Gen.Zhukov

'The communications clinic' goes very much under the radar around these parts. I kinda liked Anton Savage as a presenter (shame about the ma)

https://communicationsclinic.ie/news/?category=in-the-media

CB, D'Arcy, Fanning featured on TCC site too.

Anton gets his own show on Sat's. But then I start to notice team NK players coming on with increasing regularity - Just last Sat, - Ciara Kelly, Stefanie Preissner (who I think is new'ish to NK) and Jen Hogan. So now I'm thinking Anton is team NK too (for that gig anyway)

Anna Daly shows up too

The Communications Clinic is delighted to announce that broadcaster Anna Daly is joining its team as a consultant in the Training Division.

Then Anna turns up on an RTE show (is Anna team NK too?)

It's all a fairly incestuous entertainment cartel isn't it.

fritzelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119109300#Comment_119109300

There really should be an investigation into all this, it's all a bit convenient how all the supposed talent are signed to one talent agency

RabbleRouser2k

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2022/0513/1297812-rte-seeking-participants-for-how-long-will-you-live/

How original from RTE.... dusting off an old concept as a 'new' program.

The show was kind of a running joke when it originally aired. Also, are we going to start seeing medical shows as the new 'property' shows that RTE seem so hung up on? I imagine, with all the rising costs of materials and properties and them having to cut short Dermot Bannon and so many other building/ Do-upper/ Re-design your house/ Find me a house type shows, I suspect that we're going to start to see more shows aimed at health and the likes.

Construction shows getting too costly now.