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8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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    #692
    Hammer Archer
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,397 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    kylith wrote: »
    Is it morally right to further traumatise a rape victim?
    They're not the first poster to suggest rape committees. It's obvious from their posts that they do not care one iota about women.


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    #693
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Hammer Archer wrote: »
    They're not the first poster to suggest rape committees. It's obvious from they're posts that they do not care one iota about women.

    I know. I just want them to say it.


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    #694
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    No YOU quite clearly don't.

    I'm not the one who brought up "the weakest in society". You did, buddy. ;) But you only care about some of them.


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    #695
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    So if your wife/daughter/sister found herself pregnant as a result of rape, you would be advising and pleading with her not to have a termination? You would want her and encourage her to keep the baby?

    Or is it only a problem when other people’s wives do it?

    Yes. I might be told where to go though! But yes.


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    #696
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    I'm not the one who brought up "the weakest in society". You did, buddy. ;) But you only care about some of them.

    The same can be said of you.


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    #697
    [Deleted User]
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    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    They are. Abortion on demand kills innocent life.

    So does forcing someone to be pregnant when it will kill them or causes them to take their own life, because thats what the 8th does, but your fine with that.


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    #698
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,865 ✭✭✭✭January


    Nobody demands an abortion.

    Nobody is advocating for the killing of 'innocent' babies. (Or any babies...)

    Nobody is saying that a baby conceived in rape or through incest is 'less' than a baby conceived via other methods.

    People who access abortions are not murderers.


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    #699
    Hammer Archer
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    DubInMeath wrote: »
    So does forcing someone to be pregnant when it will kill them or causes them to take their own life, because thats what the 8th does, but your fine with that.
    Of course he is. Women are dispensable going by his posts.


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    #700
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    gctest50 wrote: »
    So you want pregnancy tests at airports then ?

    That's utter rubbish. You can't deny the right to travel. But you can legislate as much as possible to protect the unborn.

    What's with all the questions for No voters. We're not coming on here to be interviewed by the Yes bandwagon.


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    #701
    Hammer Archer
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,397 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    That's utter rubbish. You can't deny the right to travel. But you can legislate as much as possible to protect the unborn.

    What's with all the questions for No voters. We're not coming on here to be interviewed by the Yes bandwagon.
    Imagine! Discussion! On a DISCUSSION BOARD!!!! Whatever next?


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    #702
    Topgear on Dave
    Registered Users Posts: 4,538 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    They are. Abortion on demand kills innocent life.

    That it does.

    But we've been exporting this problem to England for the last 50 years and kidding ourselves that it doesn't go on.

    If women don't want to have the kids we can't force them and if their life is at risk then absolutely, an abortion has to be an option.

    Its not something that should be in the constitution.


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    #703
    Thepoet85
    Registered Users Posts: 2,751 ✭✭✭Thepoet85


    Who drummed up the abortion on demand line. People make it seem like it'll be as easy as ordering a takeaway.

    And whoever mentioned emotional hogwash earlier, both sides have been guilty of that.


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    #704
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    The same can be said of you.

    As said, you brought that up. Not me.


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    #705
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    Hammer Archer wrote: »
    Of course he is. Women are dispensable going by his posts.

    What do you know of me and how i treat women. Get off your pedestal?

    Who's to say what either of us believe in is more beneficial to women in the long run?


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    #706
    bfa1509
    Registered Users Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭bfa1509


    January wrote: »
    Nobody demands an abortion.

    Nobody is advocating for the killing of 'innocent' babies. (Or any babies...)

    Nobody is saying that a baby conceived in rape or through incest is 'less' than a baby conceived via other methods.

    People who access abortions are not murderers.

    All true. But how is the doctor that carries out an abortion not a murderer? Are they some kind of consensual murderer? I'm not sure how one would argue that in a court.


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    #707
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    That's utter rubbish. You can't deny the right to travel. But you can legislate as much as possible to protect the unborn.
    .

    NIMBYism


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    #708
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    What's with all the questions for No voters. We're not coming on here to be interviewed by the Yes bandwagon.

    You know you're under no obligation to respond, right?


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    #709
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    gctest50 wrote: »
    So you want pregnancy tests at airports then ?

    That's utter rubbish. You can't deny the right to travel.

    Yes you can. We had to pass the 13th to stop the state denying it in line with the 8th.


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    #710
    erica74
    Registered Users Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭erica74


    bfa1509 wrote: »
    So you think a baby should die because it's father is a rapist?


    I hope as many people as possible look at things from both perspectives and decide which should take priority.

    If a rape victim wants to have an abortion, that should be HER CHOICE. Get it through your head, it's not difficult to comprehend.

    I've asked this question many times and nobody has answered it, what difference does it make to you personally whether or not any woman anywhere has an abortion?


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    #711
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    Hammer Archer wrote: »
    Imagine! Discussion! On a DISCUSSION BOARD!!!! Whatever next?

    Not discussion. Resentment and unreasonable amount of ridiculous questions. Like biblical pharisees trying to catch people out.

    And turn off your caps lock. Getting a little hysterical are we?


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    #712
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    erica74 wrote: »
    If a rape victim wants to have an abortion, that should be HER CHOICE. Get it through your head, it's not difficult to comprehend.

    No. It's a bigger moral question beyond the individual. Try and comprehend there's innocent life at stake.


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    #713
    Thepoet85
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    erica74 wrote:
    If a rape victim wants to have an abortion, that should be HER CHOICE. Get it through your head, it's not difficult to comprehend.


    100%

    Why some people are concerned with what other people do with their bodies is beyond me.


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    #714
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    Not discussion. Resentment and unreasonable amount of ridiculous questions.

    Nope, just discussion. If you are secure in your position, what's the issue with answering people's questions?


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    #715
    [Deleted User]
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    January wrote: »
    Nobody demands an abortion.

    Nobody is advocating for the killing of 'innocent' babies. (Or any babies...)

    Nobody is saying that a baby conceived in rape or through incest is 'less' than a baby conceived via other methods.

    People who access abortions are not murderers.

    All this is true, but not according to the pro. Life posters on here, we're all liars.

    It's abortion on demand up to birth, as stated by more than one of them.

    Rape and FFA are just a happy convenience for repeal according to more than one of them.

    We're all murders according to all of them.

    It's just being used as a form of contraception according to some of them.

    When asked to provide factual evidence of their claims it's always lacking which speaks volumes


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    #716
    Thepoet85
    Registered Users Posts: 2,751 ✭✭✭Thepoet85


    NAGDEFI wrote:
    No. It's a bigger moral question beyond the individual. Try and comprehend there's innocent life at stake.


    Thats your opinon. It isn't shared by everyone.


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    #717
    Hammer Archer
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,397 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    What do you know of me and how i treat women. Get off your pedestal?
    Your posts paint the picture pretty well, thanks.
    Who's to say what either of us believe in is more beneficial to women in the long run?
    I actually believe that women are able to make decisions for themselves about what's best for them. Evidently you don't feel they're able to going by the above. More evidence of your thoughts about women.


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    #718
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    gctest50 wrote: »
    NIMBYism

    No. Right to travel to an area where something is legal. Certain things are illegal and legal in different jurisdictions.


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    #719
    NAGDEFI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 755 ✭✭✭NAGDEFI


    Hammer Archer wrote: »
    Your posts paint the picture pretty well, thanks.


    I actually believe that women are able to make decisions for themselves about what's best for them. Evidently you don't feel they're able to going by the above. More evidence of your thoughts about women.

    Well you have no respect for innocent life and the unborn. You in some way think that your opinions on abortion make you a better person?

    There are many differing ways to respect women.


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    #720
    Hammer Archer
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,397 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    Not discussion. Resentment and unreasonable amount of ridiculous questions. Like biblical pharisees trying to catch people out.

    And turn off your caps lock. Getting a little hysterical are we?
    If you can't handle questions then maybe a discussion board isn't for you. I'd suggest maybe a blog where you can post your views and not have to defend them.


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    #721
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    No. Right to travel to an area where something is legal. Certain things are illegal and legal in different jurisdictions.

    We stopped people from travelling before.
    We stopped a 14 year old girl who was pregnant as a result of rape at the airport.
    There is no reason why we couldn’t start doing that again if we wanted to.
    If we truly believed that traveling to abort was the actual murder of innocent Irish citizens, no amount of hassle would be too much.
    But the truth is that no one wants to.
    Most people are happy to ignore the problem and export it to the UK.
    We are a nation of hypocrites. Pure NIMBYism.


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