Cork developments

Muttley79

Cork seems to be picking up again with lot of construction going on in around the city.

marno21

Firstly, Dunkettle Interchange construction contract has been awarded to Sisk. Rough timelime will be preliminary/preparatory works starting in Q4 2018 with full works beginning in Q1 2019. The project will take 3-4 years due to the traffic management involved in building such a complex project in such a tight area whilst keeping running lanes open at most times. The lack of residential development near the interchange (for once) should enable full steam ahead off peak (mainly between 9pm and 6am).

Secondly, the biggest development of them all appears to be chugging away behind the scenes.. I look forward to this rising from the ashes, or rising from an undeveloped, wasted dock beside some derelict warehouses:

https://twitter.com/McNamaraSalvia/status/1011918099342381056?s=19

and

https://twitter.com/McNamaraSalvia/status/1011918603094982656

calnand

John Cleary Developments just updated their plans for the City gate plaza (site next to the central statistics office). most notable feature is the lack of apartments they were looking to add back in 2016. It has gone from 6 office blocks in 2014, to 3 in 2016 to only 2 now. https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/developer-seeks-to-alter-80m-plan-424773.html

marno21

calnand wrote: »

John Cleary Developments just updated their plans for the City gate plaza (site next to the central statistics office). most notable feature is the lack of apartments they were looking to add back in 2016. It has gone from 6 office blocks in 2014, to 3 in 2016 to only 2 now. https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/developer-seeks-to-alter-80m-plan-424773.html

That's disappointing. Given the amount of employment out in Mahon additional accommodation out there would be nice.

BUNK1982

marno21 wrote: »

That's disappointing. Given the amount of employment out in Mahon additional accommodation out there would be nice.

i would say it's reacting to the market - there are more sites becoming available in and nearer to the city centre which would be a safer investment.

Also, I'd wonder how valuable that City Gate campus is going to be in a few years if more and more office space becomes available in the city centre.

AugustusMinimus

Cork City Council looking for a name for the new Merchants Quay Bridge.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/ourview/new-bridge-will-need-a-name-a-chance-to-honour-the-forgotten-854064.html

Cork Boy 53

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Cork City Council looking for a name for the new Merchants Quay Bridge.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/ourview/new-bridge-will-need-a-name-a-chance-to-honour-the-forgotten-854064.html

Maybe the Roy Keane or Sonia O`Sullivan Bridge?;)

j8wk2feszrnpao

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Maybe the Roy Keane or Sonia O`Sullivan Bridge?;)

Definitely this. It'd be great to have her at the opening and cutting the ribbon.

Cork Boy 53

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Definitely this. It'd be great to have her at the opening and cutting the ribbon.

I wasn`t actually being serious on that post. There is no way the bridge will be named after a living person.

EnzoScifo

Mother Jones Bridge

TheChizler

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I wasn`t actually being serious on that post. There is no way the bridge will be named after a living person.

Anyone idea what the outcome of this meeting was?

https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Calls-for-new-bridge-name-to-honour-Cork-woman-7260eafe-4e8b-465a-bdab-fdb10de15a12-ds

j8wk2feszrnpao

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I wasn`t actually being serious on that post. There is no way the bridge will be named after a living person.

I know, but always seems a waste to do it when they are dead; like they can appreciate it from the grave.
There's a generations growing up that may never hear of what Sonia achieved, which is shame.

Dbu

https://www.daft.ie/cork/commercial-property-for-rent/offices-for-rent/trinity-quarter-south-terrace-cork-cork-city-cork-269410/


Just saw this on Daft
Does it mean that trinity quarter on south terrace is back on track for development?

cgcsb

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

There is no way the bridge will be named after a living person.

I gather you haven't crossed the Mary Mcaleese Boyne Valley Peace Bridge so?

D'Agger

The Sonia bridge has a nice ring to it.

whisky_galore

It'll come in useful for when I need to get from one side of the river to the other about 2 mins faster.

snotboogie

Dbu wrote: »

https://www.daft.ie/cork/commercial-property-for-rent/offices-for-rent/trinity-quarter-south-terrace-cork-cork-city-cork-269410/


Just saw this on Daft
Does it mean that trinity quarter on south terrace is back on track for development?

Available to move in: Immediately
:ermm:

draiochtanois

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marno21

https://www.eveningecho.ie/opinion/Putting-people-at-the-heart-of-a-new-Cork-city-e5679d77-9ff7-4560-8572-baf7a76bb27f-ds

Very interesting article from the Echo last week.

whisky_galore

draiochtanois wrote: »

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"expertely designed"

cgcsb

marno21 wrote: »

https://www.eveningecho.ie/opinion/Putting-people-at-the-heart-of-a-new-Cork-city-e5679d77-9ff7-4560-8572-baf7a76bb27f-ds

Very interesting article from the Echo last week.

Cork isn't ready for all that I don't think. If Patrick St gate is anything to go by I'd imagine bringing in light rail or even high spec bus services would result in every red neck in the county issuing a fatwah for the head of the NTA and Jihad would be declared. Lads who used to illegally park on Patrick Street to collect their Chinese between the hours of 15:00 and 18:00 will be detonating themselves on front of Brown Thomas for their cause, MSG Akbar!

Apogee

Irish Examiner wrote:

Plans for a €30m sheltered and affordable housing apartment complex close to Cork city centre have been unveiled. The proposed development in Blackpool, to be delivered by Clúid Housing in partnership with Cork City Council, will involve the construction of 112 apartments on a 1.32-hectare site on Thomas Davis St.The site of the former Blackpool flats complex, which was demolished several years ago, has lain vacant since and is surrounded by hoarding.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/30m-affordable-housing-project-proposed-for-cork-city-472782.html

nlrkjos

D'Agger wrote: »

The Sonia bridge has a nice ring to it.

How about Tom Barry bridge, a man who beat the best the British had in the war of Independence. As far as I know we have nothing to honor him in Cork city.

Ubbquittious

nlrkjos wrote: »

How about Tom Barry bridge, a man who beat the best the British had in the war of Independence. As far as I know we have nothing to honor him in Cork city.

The pub doesn't count?

marno21

The NTA will shortly publish a Cork Transport Strategy (usually covers 15-20 years) which will outline strategic investment priorities for transport in Cork (bus, rail, cycling, pedestrians, roads). They published one for Dublin in 2015 - here https://www.nationaltransport.ie/planning-policy/greater-dublin-areatransport-strategy-2016-2035/ - which has led to a number of projects being advanced (4 Luas lines, Metro, DART Expansion, BusConnects, various cycling projects)

This should really help the PT situation in Cork and give some clear direction as to where investment will be pushed in coming years. I expect FINALLY to have a policy based programme for new railway stations and enhanced fleet in Cork (some REALLY obvious locations for commuter rail stations in Cork).

I look forward to this as it will finally see Cork having some sort of plan for public transport instead of the disorganised mess at present.

whisky_galore

nlrkjos wrote: »

How about Tom Barry bridge, a man who beat the best the British had in the war of Independence. As far as I know we have nothing to honor him in Cork city.

Think we've about enough things named after old rebels at this stage. Time to move on or diversify at least.

CHealy

Apogee wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/30m-affordable-housing-project-proposed-for-cork-city-472782.html

Good to see this but they should be going even denser, 5 to 8 stories instead of 3 to 5. Theres a housing crisis with about 6000 people on the City Council housing list, build it up ffs.

Cork Boy 53

whisky_galore wrote: »

Think we've about enough things named after old rebels at this stage. Time to move on or diversify at least.

With the centenary of the start of the War of Independence coming up next year, I think naming the new bridge after Tom Barry is a strong runner.

BUNK1982

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

With the centenary of the start of the War of Independence coming up next year, I think naming the new bridge after Tom Barry is a strong runner.

It's a footpath over the river - do we really need to attach any name to it?

Mc-BigE

munstermagic11 wrote: »

I reckon 608 families are very eager for it!
I understand your feelings on it though.

But as per the development in Carrigaline, there are people crying out for houses. And prices are going to remain prohibited for many unless they are built.

600 houses (10% for affordable housing), with average of 2 cars per household (well designed for anyway) so an extra 1200 potential cars / people on the local roads. more congestion, same small road system in glanmire (i know they are making changes but only layout changes, very little new roads until tunnel roundabout changes).

also, lots of peoples houses/cars being broken into over the last year, and the nearest full time garda station is Gurranabraher, 20minutes away.

sorry if this rant is in the wrong thread, but someone did ask

AugustusMinimus

Surely it’s time to name something after Cork’s favourite son, Danny La Rue?

thomil

CHealy wrote: »

Good to see this but they should be going even denser, 5 to 8 stories instead of 3 to 5. Theres a housing crisis with about 6000 people on the City Council housing list, build it up ffs.

Hear hear, although I can vividly imagine the uproar this would cause amongst the general population. The usual shower are already whining about these „tower blocks“ being plonked down in Blackpool, comparing it to Ballymun, and questioning the need when there‘s empty houses in Blackpool, etc.

What is it with this almost pathological aversion to apartments in this country, anyway? It seems that people just WANT a house with a garden, regardless of the fact that the „gardens“ in most of those estates are the size of a beach towel, and the only vegetation appears to consist of a few anaemic blades of grass quietly begging you to kill them. What is so appealing about that?

CHealy

thomil wrote: »

Hear hear, although I can vividly imagine the uproar this would cause amongst the general population. The usual shower are already whining about these „tower blocks“ being plonked down in Blackpool, comparing it to Ballymun, and questioning the need when there‘s empty houses in Blackpool, etc.

What is it with this almost pathological aversion to apartments in this country, anyway? It seems that people just WANT a house with a garden, regardless of the fact that the „gardens“ in most of those estates are the size of a beach towel, and the only vegetation appears to consist of a few anaemic blades of grass quietly begging you to kill them. What is so appealing about that?

The same people giving out about these "blocks" are the same ones who'll be on Neil next week saying their darling daughter cant get a house and has been on the list for 10 years. Its NIMBY-ism 101.

If I had my way we'd be going down the line of specific areas to be developed with tower blocks. They get a bad rep but if its done correctly they can be a great community, the UK does these well for the most part.

fash

CHealy wrote: »

thomil wrote: »

Hear hear, although I can vividly imagine the uproar this would cause amongst the general population. The usual shower are already whining about these „tower blocks“ being plonked down in Blackpool, comparing it to Ballymun, and questioning the need when there‘s empty houses in Blackpool, etc.

What is it with this almost pathological aversion to apartments in this country, anyway? It seems that people just WANT a house with a garden, regardless of the fact that the „gardens“ in most of those estates are the size of a beach towel, and the only vegetation appears to consist of a few anaemic blades of grass quietly begging you to kill them. What is so appealing about that?

The same people giving out about these "blocks" are the same ones who'll be on Neil next week saying their darling daughter cant get a house and has been on the list for 10 years. Its NIMBY-ism 101.

If I had my way we'd be going down the line of specific areas to be developed with tower blocks. They get a bad rep but if its done correctly they can be a great community, the UK does these well for the most part.

As does most of Europe - standard street has 5-7 storeys blocks on each side. It means you keep cafes and shops alive from passing trade alone and can have great services.

AugustusMinimus

fash wrote: »

As does most of Europe - standard street has 5-7 storeys blocks on each side. It means you keep cafes and shops alive from passing trade alone and can have great services.

Indeed. It means the bottom floor of most buildings all have thriving shops due to population density. It also allows support if proper public transport.

who_me

thomil wrote: »

What is it with this almost pathological aversion to apartments in this country, anyway? It seems that people just WANT a house with a garden, regardless of the fact that the „gardens“ in most of those estates are the size of a beach towel, and the only vegetation appears to consist of a few anaemic blades of grass quietly begging you to kill them. What is so appealing about that?

I can't speak for everyone, but as someone who's lived in apartments for ~20 years now; there are some massive compromises in apartment living:

Size: apartments are - almost invariably - smaller, so less living space.

Storage: From what I saw when I was viewing/buying, most apartments lack adequate in-apartment storage, and it's extremely rare to have any out-of-apartment storage for outsized items (furniture etc.) Want to live the modern lifestyle and cycle everywhere? Where do you safely store your bike? Like sports like surfing? Keep the board in the fridge? Prams/buggies?

Noise: Particularly a problem with wooden floors being more popular. I can hear everyone walking/running up and down the building stairs, and every step my upstairs neighbours take. Plus, on quiet days, I can listen to their conversations. Don't even talk about TV/music/parties!

Privacy: see above.

Security: With a shared entrance to the building, there's always the risk of non-residents getting in (or even residents gaining access to things they shouldn't). I had someone pick up a utility bill of mine and use it to fraudulently buy from the ESB store in 'my' name. Also had issues where someone lost their front-door key; and when the management agency changed the lock I was locked out of my own home. And worse, in my current building people would get buzzed in if they tried enough doorbells, then kick in the door of an unused apartment to sleep the night. Later, someone (same people?) glued over the lock so the front door would be always left open.

Water ingress: a surprisingly important one. If When water leaks, it keeps on going, floor after floor. Over the years I've had two leaks from my apartment, one serious, and 4 leaks into it. One of which cost me ~2,000 euros to re-tile my bathroom after the damage (management company didn't want another insurance claim), and a LOT of stress dealing with the repercussions/costs with my upstairs and downstairs neighbours.

Management fees: Can be thousands of euros per year, dependent on the building.

Outdoor areas: a massive one for me, and the single biggest thing I miss about a house. Not having even a balcony - especially in this kind of weather - isn't nice. Not having larger outdoor areas probably means apartments are instantly rejected by small families. "Go outside and play with the traffic?"

Access: Many apartment buildings still lack elevators, and few if any have anything approaching a service elevator for brining in any out-sized items. Hell, I've even seen one proposal that didn't have any stairs, and relied on external fire-escapes for all access.

Many of these things COULD be addressed in modern developments; but unless/until they actually ARE addressed I'd be very opposed to any pressure being put on anyone to move to apartment living. And all I see are moves by developers here to reduce the minimum size of apartments yet further.

In many nations where apartment living is more the norm, the facilities they enjoy are far better. I've seen many urbanisations in Spain, which had shared storage, laundry, pool, sports (tennis/basketball) facilities on premises etc. If these facilities were offered, peoples' opinions would change.

People are attracted to house living (and car owning) because they offer large benefits in utility, convenience, privacy, security etc. If you want people to change, give them better alternatives. Or, you know, we could just have lots of petty whinging about them on internet forums. Has never worked yet, but maybe Einstein was wrong...

snotboogie

who_me wrote: »

thomil wrote: »

What is it with this almost pathological aversion to apartments in this country, anyway? It seems that people just WANT a house with a garden, regardless of the fact that the „gardens“ in most of those estates are the size of a beach towel, and the only vegetation appears to consist of a few anaemic blades of grass quietly begging you to kill them. What is so appealing about that?

I can't speak for everyone, but as someone who's lived in apartments for ~20 years now; there are some massive compromises in apartment living:

Size: apartments are - almost invariably - smaller, so less living space.

Storage: From what I saw when I was viewing/buying, most apartments lack adequate in-apartment storage, and it's extremely rare to have any out-of-apartment storage for outsized items (furniture etc.) Want to live the modern lifestyle and cycle everywhere? Where do you safely store your bike? Like sports like surfing? Keep the board in the fridge? Prams/buggies?

Noise: Particularly a problem with wooden floors being more popular. I can hear everyone walking/running up and down the building stairs, and every step my upstairs neighbours take. Plus, on quiet days, I can listen to their conversations. Don't even talk about TV/music/parties!

Privacy: see above.

Security: With a shared entrance to the building, there's always the risk of non-residents getting in (or even residents gaining access to things they shouldn't). I had someone pick up a utility bill of mine and use it to fraudulently buy from the ESB store in 'my' name. Also had issues where someone lost their front-door key; and when the management agency changed the lock I was locked out of my own home. And worse, in my current building people would get buzzed in if they tried enough doorbells, then kick in the door of an unused apartment to sleep the night. Later, someone (same people?) glued over the lock so the front door would be always left open.

Water ingress: a surprisingly important one. If When water leaks, it keeps on going, floor after floor. Over the years I've had two leaks from my apartment, one serious, and 4 leaks into it. One of which cost me ~2,000 euros to re-tile my bathroom after the damage (management company didn't want another insurance claim), and a LOT of stress dealing with the repercussions/costs with my upstairs and downstairs neighbours.

Management fees: Can be thousands of euros per year, dependent on the building.

Outdoor areas: a massive one for me, and the single biggest thing I miss about a house. Not having even a balcony - especially in this kind of weather - isn't nice. Not having larger outdoor areas probably means apartments are instantly rejected by small families. "Go outside and play with the traffic?"

Access: Many apartment buildings still lack elevators, and few if any have anything approaching a service elevator for brining in any out-sized items. Hell, I've even seen one proposal that didn't have any stairs, and relied on external fire-escapes for all access.

Many of these things COULD be addressed in modern developments; but unless/until they actually ARE addressed I'd be very opposed to any pressure being put on anyone to move to apartment living. And all I see are moves by developers here to reduce the minimum size of apartments yet further.

In many nations where apartment living is more the norm, the facilities they enjoy are far better. I've seen many urbanisations in Spain, which had shared storage, laundry, pool, sports (tennis/basketball) facilities on premises etc. If these facilities were offered, peoples' opinions would change.

People are attracted to house living (and car owning) because they offer large benefits in utility, convenience, privacy, security etc. If you want people to change, give them better alternatives. Or, you know, we could just have lots of petty whinging about them on internet forums. Has never worked yet, but maybe Einstein was wrong...

I lived in an apartment in Dublin for two years and in Singapore for three years, I'm back living in a house in Cork now and overall I miss apartment living. I don't agree with your security assessment at all; I lived in a not so up market area of West Dublin and never had any fears of somebody getting into my apartment and never heard any stories from neighbors of being robbed, here in my supposedly much safer neighborhood in Cork both my neighbours have had their house broken into. Apartments mean more people and more people make it more difficult to break in.

whisky_galore

A lot of these issues are down to the shoddy way Irish apartments are built and the half-arsed maintenance afterwards.

j8wk2feszrnpao

who_me wrote: »

If you want people to change, give them better alternatives.

I think that's what people here are arguing for. Not crappy apartments, but quality apartments that suit family living; so people can live, work and enjoy city life.
Sheltered and affordable housing apartments won't be luxurious, but that's no different to the housing marker and what people can afford.

jamesbere

What's been done on Oliver pl St next to the old oak, is see all the scaffolding there

mire

Two large housing applications have been submitted directly to the board one is for approximately 350 units in Cobh and one for an even larger residential development in Mahon. The project in Mahon involves mainly apartments as far as I am aware and a 25 Storey Tower

mire

jamesbere wrote: »

What's been done on Oliver pl St next to the old oak, is see all the scaffolding there

It's an extension to the old oak complex with a stage area and ground floor bar cafe as far as I know

CHealy

mire wrote: »

The project in Mahon involves mainly apartments as far as I am aware and a 25 Storey Tower

This is the continuation of the Jacobs Island developtment, and will hopefully finish phase 8 and 9 of this project. This site has been marked as a suitable location for a tall building by the local area plan, and these guys want to put a 25 story tower there. I think it looks great, the 25 story tower will more likely be revised down to 18/19 floor in line with max height, but that will still look huge.

Loads of documents and photos to be found here.

http://montip-horizon.ie/

snotboogie

mire wrote: »

Two large housing applications have been submitted directly to the board one is for approximately 350 units in Cobh and one for an even larger residential development in Mahon. The project in Mahon involves mainly apartments as far as I am aware and a 25 Storey Tower

Lot's of housing getting announced now; Mahon, Cobh and Blackpool all in the last week?  I just hope that these don't go the same way as the student apartments: Only 34 new student bed spaces delivered since 2016 I know we will have the BAM and UCC apartments coming around next year but given the huge volume of announcements to much fanfare in the last two or three years it's still shocking. I'd say less than 20% of student apartments that got planning in this time have actually started construction. Hopefully the Crows Nest and the Square deal start soon....

marno21

How we all missed this, including the media..

Plans for 25 storey apartment block at Jacob's Island, as discussed on SSC here (great thread: https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=305784&page=45)

http://montip-horizon.ie/

Hopefully the anti-development brigade keep away

AugustusMinimus

marno21 wrote: »

How we all missed this, including the media..

Plans for 25 storey apartment block at Jacob's Island, as discussed on SSC here (great thread: https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=305784&page=45)

http://montip-horizon.ie/

Hopefully the anti-development brigade keep away

What sort of height are we talking? 25 stories sounds like in the 70m range?

These sort of buildings should be concentrated into a single area around the city centre which should be dedicated for 50m + buildings.

marno21

82 metres. I have no issue with a landmark building at the tunnel mouth/Jacobs Island if done right. You already have the now disused RTE 729 AM transmission tower there.

Here's a few snaps especially with the road views. More on the website above, go into Photomontage under Landscape & Visual and Planning and Design Statement under Architectural

View of tallest building from water and from M40 westbound



View of development from M40 J10 overbridge



View of development from M40 westbound



View of development from M40 eastbound



Stunning development imo

SleetAndSnow

That looks gorgeous. What a view for people coming into cork from Dublin etc. shows them we aren’t scared to build high! hopefully it gets the go ahead

lisasimpson

One of the nicer proposed developments for cork. Id like to see that going ahead. Would be a nice view for any boots coming into the docks too

questionmark?

That's a great proposal! Hope it gets built. Although i'm just waiting for An Taisce to object to it ruining the views of something!