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Chemical weapon used on civilians in Syria + Airstrikes

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    #1652
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    OPCW confirmed

    Which was Novichok confirmed by Porton Down only last week .

    So this investigation that's going to happen in Syria is already compromised ?
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    #1653
    JenovaProject
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    Gatling wrote: »
    Which was Novichok confirmed by Porton Down only last week .

    Link for this confirmation of Novichok


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    #1654
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    CZ 453 wrote: »
    Your right. It must've been the chicken Mr and Ms Skripal had in Zizis restaurant did the damage.

    It's a nerve agent but is it this mystery Novitchok? Novitchok is supposedly 8 times more deadly than VX they would not have survived. Skipral daughter was texting her cousin recently and nobody has talked to the Skiprals since this incident, least not the public or media.


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    #1655
    CZ 453
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    Gatling wrote: »
    Which was Novichok confirmed by Porton Down only last week .

    So this investigation that's going to happen in Syria is already compromised ?

    Sure the Russians drove through there earlier and it's fine. Nothing to see here. All made up or some foreign agency did it or some foreign agency made it up or local scallywags faked it or the UK did it...


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    #1656
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    Gatling wrote: »
    Now that original...


    I’d say you have a wee dram of russian moonshine drank on this very eve old gatling.


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    #1657
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Gatling wrote: »
    Which was Novichok confirmed by Porton Down only last week .

    So this investigation that's going to happen in Syria is already compromised ?

    UK said it was Novichok. OPCW just said toxic chemical.


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    #1658
    JenovaProject
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭JenovaProject


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    UK said it was Novichok. OPCW just said toxic chemical.

    Novichok related if I remember correctly...still waiting on Gatlings link to say it was definitely novichok


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    #1659
    Cheerful Spring
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    JenovaProject wrote: »
    Novichok related if I remember correctly

    Novichok or closely related nerve agent, you right


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    #1660
    Gatling
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    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    I’d say you have a wee dram of russian moonshine drank on this very eve old gatling.

    I've a nice Subzero degree bottle of Absolut beside me smoother than that cheaper russian stuff people tend to buy
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    #1661
    Dohnjoe
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    JenovaProject wrote: »
    No mention of Novichok??

    All this wordplay and semantics was predicted in the earlier threads on the Skripal case

    It's established that they were attacked with a nerve agent. There's no real debate over that. Porton Down claimed that it was from the Novichok family but did not give the actual source (which lab it came from) The OPCW tests backed those findings.


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    #1662
    JenovaProject
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    It's established that they were attacked with a nerve agent. The OPCW tests backed those findings.

    Thats all thats been established....no play on words,just clearing of the waters that some posters try to muddy:)


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    #1663
    CZ 453
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    It's a nerve agent but is it this mystery Novitchok? Novitchok is supposedly 8 times more deadly than VX they would not have survived. Skipral daughter was texting her cousin recently and nobody has talked to the Skiprals since this incident, least not the public or media.

    The OPCW would have a list of the more generic nasty nerve agents. Obviously they wouldn't have the stuff that's hidden from the world be it US made,UK made even Russian made. They've confirmed a deadly compound that they don't have on file. Do you want the OPCW to start up in the spy game so they can confirm every R+D level nerve agent in existence. I see the point your making but it's just not realistic.


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    #1664
    Gatling
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    JenovaProject wrote: »
    Novichok related if I remember correctly...still waiting on Gatlings link to say it was definitely novichok

    Already posted it three times

    Three times

    Three time

    Yes Three times

    OPCW confirmed what the UK said it was .

    Porton Down said last week it was confirmed Novichok .
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    #1665
    cnocbui
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    UK said it was Novichok. OPCW just said toxic chemical.

    No, they said more than that. They didn't just say it was a toxic chemical they said they agreed that it was precisely the toxic chemical the British claimed it to be. Since they said it was Novichok, the OPCW were agreeing with them.


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    #1666
    JenovaProject
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    Gatling wrote: »

    Porton Down said last week it was confirmed Novichok .

    Stop lying!


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    #1667
    Cheerful Spring
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    cnocbui wrote: »
    No, they said more than that. They didn't just say it was a toxic chemical they said they agreed that it was precisely the toxic chemical the British claimed it to be. Since they said it was Novichok, the OPCW were agreeing with them.

    They identified the chemical structure the UK claimed it was. They would not identify it was Novitchok though that should tell you something no:confused:


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    #1668
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,849 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    JenovaProject wrote: »
    Novichok related if I remember correctly...still waiting on Gatlings link to say it was definitely novichok

    As mentioned, purely semantics and wordplay. This is why people literally need to "lawyer up" in these types of threads. This happens all the time in conspiracy theory forums - this is how they argue and discredit information.

    There is no counter-theory presented as to how the Skripals died - all that's left to attack the wording. Which is precisely what we see here.

    If someone wants to present the counter-theory I am keenly interested. But it's doubtful we'll see that, instead certain posters will try to attack and discredit any information that comes out of this based on incredulity, wording, definitions, etc

    Edit: were poisoned


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    #1669
    CZ 453
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    As mentioned, purely semantics and wordplay. This is why people literally need to "lawyer up" in these types of threads. This happens all the time in conspiracy theory forums - this is how they argue and discredit information.

    There is no counter-theory presented as to how the Skripals died - all that's left to attack the wording. Which is precisely what we see here.

    If someone wants to present the counter-theory I am keenly interested. But it's doubtful we'll see that, instead certain posters will try to attack and discredit any information that comes out of this based on incredulity, wording, definitions, etc
    They're not dead.


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    #1670
    Doctors room ghost
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    As mentioned, purely semantics and wordplay. This is why people literally need to "lawyer up" in these types of threads. This happens all the time in conspiracy theory forums - this is how they argue and discredit information.

    There is no counter-theory presented as to how the Skripals died - all that's left to attack the wording. Which is precisely what we see here.

    If someone wants to present the counter-theory I am keenly interested. But it's doubtful we'll see that, instead certain posters will try to attack and discredit any information that comes out of this based on incredulity, wording, definitions, etc



    FAKE NEWS no people dead Donald


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    #1671
    Gatling
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    Being it's the weekend something to lift the mood.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJsFhkb8e4Q
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    #1672
    Dohnjoe
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    http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-43760153/un-ambassador-how-can-you-say-that-with-a-straight-face

    The US ambassador pointing out which member of the UN is the only member to express unilateralism when it comes to chemical weapons, was responsible for killing the Joint Investigative Mechanism, and has used it's veto 6 times to prevent condemnation of Assad's use of chemical weapons


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    #1673
    Dohnjoe
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    CZ 453 wrote: »
    They're not dead.

    I know, I miswrote ;)


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    #1674
    JenovaProject
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭JenovaProject


    Dohnjoe wrote: »

    There is no counter-theory presented as to how the Skripals died

    Go back to the CT forum....youre fcuking delusional.

    Im dealing in exactly what was presented in the public by Porton Down and the OPCW.


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    #1675
    JenovaProject
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭JenovaProject


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    I know, I miswrote ;)

    Go "miswrite" on the CT forum and stop trying to muddy the waters with your wall of waffle


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    #1676
    Gatling
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    I'm actually starting to like her ....
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    #1677
    Sierra Oscar
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    Trump to make Syria announcement in 30 minutes according to reports.


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    #1678
    Cheerful Spring
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    Cnn reporter I think it's about to kick off guys.

    Press pool in Lima with Vice President Pence is rushing back to the hotel unexpectedly. White House is telling the press pool that’s here in Washington to gather.


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    #1679
    Doctors room ghost
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    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Trump to make Syria announcement in 30 minutes according to reports.


    I’m going to stick to my original prediction which is nothing will happen.trump might be let fire a few fireworks into an empty field in Syria to save face after promising smart new rockets but that’s all.


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    #1680
    Gatling
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    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Trump to make Syria announcement in 30 minutes according to reports.

    Interesting
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    #1681
    Cheerful Spring
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    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    I’m going to stick to my original prediction which is nothing will happen.trump might be let fire a few fireworks into an empty field in Syria to save face after promising smart new rockets but that’s all.

    I just hope Mattis opinion is followed killing Russians is beyond idiotic.


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