When will we learn as a nation to keep left unless overtaking

OldMrBrennan83

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newmember2

DaveyDave wrote: »

...there was a number of people driving in the middle lane under the speed limit so I'm on the N7 and have to move into the third lane and go back into the first lane...

I flash any cars in the middle lane that I have to overtake from lane one.

Is there nothing about keeping left in the theory test? They need to put it in bold at the top of the driving licence cert you get when you pass the test I think, outlining the dangers of not doing so on a motorway.

jester77

I was driving back in Ireland for the first time in a very long time last month, and the level of driving is very poor, and a lot of the time very dangerous. Respect to anyone that has to do a lot of daily driving, I can see easily see how road rage incidents could occur.

And parking :eek: Not sure what the point of white lines and disabled signs are as even in half empty car parks the amount of people that can't get it right was amazing.

PaddyWilliams

Unfortunately, the attitude Will never change. When I used be driving back to Dublin on a regular basis, I would always drive in the inside lane on the N7 and was always quicker. People were always jockeying for position in the middle and overtaking lanes, while in the meantime I was tipping along at 100km/h in the inside lane getting to my destination quicker!

limnam

munchkin_utd wrote: »

unless the law has been recently changed, trucks are banned from ever overtaking on 2 lane Irish motorways , and the rules of the road state this :


http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Road%20Safety/Leaflets/Leaf_booklets/motorway_driving.pdf - page 7

another example of the guards not enforcing the law it seems.

Interesting. Wasn't aware of it.

It seems from my limited experience anyway in Italy for the most part they abide by it, you see streams of trucks in the "right" lane.

Ahhhh for forks sake!

I was driving along the M1 and an unmarked Garda car overtook me at a slightly higher speed. The car was a brand-spanking-new Ford Mondeo and there were no discs in the window. The driver had what appeared to be a sky blue shirt with some kind of epaulettes. So I'm probably right in my assumption that it was a Garda.

He moved into the inside lane behind a van driving well slower than everyone else undertaking him. I thought the blues and twos would come on ............ but no.... the Garda just sat behind him. I was reluctant to undertake the convoy myself in case I got done.

Jesus, if Gardaí don't enforce the rules or don't even know them ... then what hope do we have?

Blanc von lobster

Ahhhh for forks sake! wrote: »

I was driving along the M1

Jesus, if Gardaí don't enforce the rules or don't even know them ... then what hope do we have?

I was on the southbound M50 this afternoon and saw a Garda car overtake about six cars in the middle lane....
Maybe he wrote down all the reg plates are will send out tickets, but for some reason I really doubt it..

highdef

grogi wrote: »

In fairness - the signs above the motorway (0:30) were clear:
- left lane - Exit 4 - R132
- middle & right lane - continue on M1 towards Belfast

She was clearly in the wrong lane for at least kilometre before that first sign.... And even at that point, the road markings have not changed to indicate that the left lane was an auxiliary lane. I'd bet she was in the middle lane long before the video started.

Ahhhh for forks sake!

highdef wrote: »

She was clearly in the wrong lane for at least kilometre before that first sign.... And even at that point, the road markings have not changed to indicate that the left lane was an auxiliary lane. I'd bet she was in the middle lane long before the video started.

Spot on. I'd been meaning to respond to that point.

You are only meant to move right when the left most lane becomes and auxiliary one. For what it's worth, she swung left and the last minute and took the same exit as me for Rush / Lusk / Donabate etc.

lalababa

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Keep on topic.

:eek:

Larbre34

The Guards will never ever ever enforce lane discipline, unless someone has seriously impeded a patrol car or bike in the process. In fact, Garda vehicles are often as bad as the rest.

Its up to those of us that don't drive along in a menopausal haze.

highdef

Ahhhh for forks sake! wrote: »

Spot on. I'd been meaning to respond to that point.

You are only meant to move right when the left most lane becomes and auxiliary one. For what it's worth, she swung left and the last minute and took the same exit as me for Rush / Lusk / Donabate etc.

That sort of the driver is the most annoying type. Same thing happens all the time on the N4 westbound between junctions 4 and 5. Left lane lane becomes an auxiliary lane a few hundred metres before junction 5. You'll frequently have drivers dawdling along in the middle lane at 60/70 kmph (80 is the limit), not moving over to the left lane even with a queue behind and left lane clear. Then, as soon as the left lane becomes and auxiliary lane, they pull over to the left and exit at junction 5.

I'd love to know what is going on in their heads, in terms of why they think they should stay in the middle lane until the left lane turns into an auxiliary lane.

largepants

munchkin_utd wrote: »

unless the law has been recently changed, trucks are banned from ever overtaking on 2 lane Irish motorways , and the rules of the road state this :


http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Road%20Safety/Leaflets/Leaf_booklets/motorway_driving.pdf - page 7

another example of the guards not enforcing the law it seems.

I thought this was only on a 3 lane motorway. As far as I know it is permitted on a 2 lane motorway.

micks_address

Often on the m50 I'll be in the right lane at 100kph overtaking for a good stretch when someone will come up behind be doing 120 plus.. I'm still overtaking cars on my left so feel obliged to get out of the way which I do when safe to do so. Lane hogging might be an issue on the m50 but so is speeding. Very few people seem to obey motorway speed limits..

The Bishop Basher

micks_address wrote: »

Often on the m50 I'll be in the right lane at 100kph overtaking for a good stretch when someone will come up behind be doing 120 plus.. I'm still overtaking cars on my left so feel obliged to get out of the way which I do when safe to do so. Lane hogging might be an issue on the m50 but so is speeding. Very few people seem to obey motorway speed limits..

If everyone drove correctly you'd be overtaking the cars in the middle lane and the cars going faster then you would be able to overtake you in the outer lane.

With modern cars and good roads there's no reason why those cars overtaking you couldn't be doing so at 150 / 160 kph perfectly safely..

Our inability as a nation to comprehend and follow some simple rules will always prevent us from fully utilising our road network as frustration aside, over 30% of the M50's capacity is taken up by poor lane discipline.

Isambard

Swanner wrote: »

If everyone drove correctly you'd be overtaking the cars in the middle lane and the cars going faster then you would be able to overtake you in the outer lane.

With modern cars and good roads there's no reason why those cars overtaking you couldn't be doing so at 150 / 160 kph perfectly safely..

Our inability as a nation to comprehend and follow some simple rules will always prevent us from fully utilising our road network as frustration aside, over 30% of the M50's capacity is taken up by poor lane discipline.

the difference between an accident at 120 and at 160 must be quite significant. There's a reason for you

The Bishop Basher

Isambard wrote: »

the difference between an accident at 120 and at 160 must be quite significant. There's a reason for you

You could say the same about the difference between an accident at 40 kph and 80 kph.

Following your logic we might as well reduce all limits nationwide to 20 kph in case anyone ever gets hurt.

micks_address

Swanner wrote: »

Isambard wrote: »

the difference between an accident at 120 and at 160 must be quite significant. There's a reason for you

You could say the same about the difference between an accident at 40 kph and 80 kph.

Following your logic we might as well reduce all limits nationwide to 20 kph in case anyone ever gets hurt.

I think anyone doing 140 on the m50 is nuts, the amount of close calls from late breaking and lane swerving to avoid collisions is amazing. I bet if everyone kept to the speed limits we'd have less delays on the m50.. I'd rather drive the whole length of it at 80kph than stop start like I was for 40 minutes this morning.. I actually think the proposed variable speed cameras will help.

micks_address

Swanner wrote: »

Isambard wrote: »

the difference between an accident at 120 and at 160 must be quite significant. There's a reason for you

You could say the same about the difference between an accident at 40 kph and 80 kph.

Following your logic we might as well reduce all limits nationwide to 20 kph in case anyone ever gets hurt.

Are you considering reaction times and breaking distances?

rabbitinlights

Swanner wrote: »

With modern cars and good roads there's no reason why those cars overtaking you couldn't be doing so at 150 / 160 kph perfectly safely..

The jump from 120 to 160 would have substantial effects, primarily on the driver - it's exhausting driving at that speed for prolonged periods of time.

140 kph would be nice, but I'm under no illusion that it would cause it's own problems.

Dravokivich

grogi wrote: »

In fairness - the signs above the motorway (0:30) were clear:
- left lane - Exit 4 - R132
- middle & right lane - continue on M1 towards Belfast

I think that's a lot of the reason behind it on the motorways around Dublin. Not too sure beyond it because that's where most of my driving is.

M50 on both ends, the 1st Lane filters off.

M/N7 people try to get into the Lanes they need before Newlands whether it's inbound or outbound. It's a bit mad thinking people are prepping for the m7 outbound from that far out, but it's why they do it.

Same happens on the M/N4.

Nekarsulm

People in Ireland don't keep Left.
We have no true Left leaning party here in Ireland.
All our political groupings are centrist or Right of centre.

So it's a political problem rather than a motoring one.

THe huge displays over the m50 and other motorways, they should just put “keep left unless overtaking” unless other traffic info is being shown

Such a waste of good signage

grogi

Swanner wrote: »

You could say the same about the difference between an accident at 40 kph and 80 kph.

I get your point - but you're wrong... The energy to disperse (and hence distance required) to slow down from 160 to 120 is 2.5 times bigger than to slow down from 80 to 40...

grogi

Dravokivich wrote: »

I think that's a lot of the reason behind it on the motorways around Dublin. Not too sure beyond it because that's where most of my driving is.

M50 on both ends, the 1st Lane filters off.

M/N7 people try to get into the Lanes they need before Newlands whether it's inbound or outbound. It's a bit mad thinking people are prepping for the m7 outbound from that far out, but it's why they do it.

Same happens on the M/N4.

To some extend. The signage is horrible and inconsistent...

I love how the roads are marked in the Netherlands... Following sign will tell you that you can continue straight on the left lane. Right lane will branch, while the middle can be used for both directions.



It's really simple, and it is used consistently across the country.

Panrich

To answer the original question, it will be when we’re all being driven around by self driving cars

Samuel T. Cogley

Panrich wrote: »

To answer the original question, it will be when we’re all being driven around by self driving cars

Nope, no need then as everything will be moving at the same speed.

Actually a self driving motorway would be exactly as the M50 is now. A merging lane and two driving lanes.

Fcuk me we're ahead of the curve for once.

DaveyDave

micks_address wrote: »

Often on the m50 I'll be in the right lane at 100kph overtaking for a good stretch when someone will come up behind be doing 120 plus.. I'm still overtaking cars on my left so feel obliged to get out of the way which I do when safe to do so. Lane hogging might be an issue on the m50 but so is speeding. Very few people seem to obey motorway speed limits..

This bugs me. I hate when I'm actively passing people and some knob is up my arse because he wants to go 140kph+. I'm not going to police someone and stop them from speeding but I'm not gonna slam the brakes to squeeze into a tight spot in slower moving traffic. Wait a minute and I'll move over eventually.

I had someone undertake me and swerve at me because I didn't move over when she put her indicator at me. I was on the N4 going onto the M50 southbound so I had to be in the right lane. She was going into the city center so needed to be in the middle lane anyway

I agree speeding is a major issue and I'm not just talking about the German saloon tailgating you so they can speed. I drive on the N4 frequently, anytime I'm coming back from doing my weekly shop at Tesco most of the traffic is in the middle/right lane doing 90kph+.

Samuel T. Cogley

If you're doing 100KPH you're barely making progress on the centre lane usually. Slow down and stay in IMHO. If you pull across foot down and get clear.

TBH You're not bothering me though. I just sit in the empty inside lane pretty much doing whatever speed I fancy.

Doctors room ghost

Was on the road today all day and I guarantee if a survey was done up to 90 percent of drivers don’t use indicators.its fukn sickening