Fake watch busters

Spocker

unkel wrote: »

Fake Tag

https://www.adverts.ie/casual/watches/21674759?fm

Gone. Pic so that 893 doesn't give out:

unkel

Feel a bit sorry for the seller, he didn't come across as a con artist. Said he bought it on a market. Says it all really. How did you "enhance" that pic, Spocker? Looked far more vague in the ad. Or do you have access to the original (much higher resolution) picture that the sellers upload to adverts.ie? When I searched for the model online, it looked like the real ones had a black date wheel, hence this must be a fake. So I reported it.

Spocker

unkel wrote: »

How did you "enhance" that pic, Spocker? Looked far more vague in the ad. Or do you have access to the original (much higher resolution) picture that the sellers upload to adverts.ie?

No enhancement from me, I just know how to fish out the larger images from the ad, thats all :pac:

TheW1zard

Homer wrote: »

Did ya ever think it might be a bit of both?

I havent bought any 5 euro rolexs anyways!
Maybe its because i follow this thread though lol

Lorddrakul

TheW1zard wrote: »

I havent bought any 5 euro rolexs anyways!
Maybe its because i follow this thread though lol

I do think some of the pieces that come up are as a result of people getting stung, and then trying to pass on. Not entirely innocent but not entirely nefarious either.

It's usually fairly obvious when someone is actually selling snides, as opposed to one who was caught by a dodgy deal.

Homer

OmegaGene wrote: »

https://www.adverts.ie/21680684

This needs flushing

Was on my radar as the alarm bells were ringing when I saw it listed. Decided to wait and see if the seller was genuine but seems they have vanished after the initial listing.. now the advert has vanished also!

adam88

https://www.adverts.ie/21778188

Any input. ??? If it’s real us it worth that money ?

david

adam88 wrote: »

https://www.adverts.ie/21778188

Any input. ??? If it’s real us it worth that money ?

It looks genuine. Its about average used market price after some haggling. Looks very complete and decent condition.



In terms of value - I wouldn't be going entry level swiss Quartz at that price point. Value is completely subjective. If you want the brand recognition and like the look/reliability of quartz - go for it!

893bet

If they have the watch it is real. If they have it.

Given that they know nothing about the watch e.g see withdraw add where they called it a “chronograph” and Omega called em on it. They have also said it’s “not water resistant” when it should be 200 metres, yet working perfectly.

Also the images how they are taken suggest two different photographers which is suspicious

All in all I am suspicious.

Did you sell it to him/her Omega?

adam88

OmegaGene wrote: »

No I didn’t sell it to them, they are using online photos for some of the listing but some people just can’t take proper photos so maybe the benefit of the doubt might be called for, the instruction book is wrong so chances are the warranty card could be also.

If I went to see it and instruction book matched the watch along with the warranty card I would be alrite ?

adam88

OmegaGene wrote: »

The watch itself is fine so the book and card not matching isn’t really a problem and can work in your favour to haggle the price down, sometimes books get lost and people buy them to make a full set or they just get mixed up in the shops
The book is for a tag heuer alarm which this isn’t

Ya just noticed that. Those watches new aren’t that expensive compared to other tag heuer. What would a good price to offer be ??

unkel

Worth nowhere near €500 in my book if you have to get it re-sealed and pressure tested. And what's a diver that you can't even take for a swim?

adam88

OmegaGene wrote: »

when that watch was new (2003) the price of everything was much different, i dont think we are allowed to offer pricing advice here but do some research and you would need to see better photographs to judge the condition because those photos are terrible

check the Polyurethane bumpers btw there is one on adverts where the steel is exposed due to wear

I’d just be buying it for occasional wear

adam88

OmegaGene wrote: »

Occasional wear or not if the bumpers are worn then it will look terrible

Oh yes. Sorry I picked you up wrong. Totally wouldn’t buy it if it was missing parts or that

Spocker

Second opinion? https://www.adverts.ie/dress/iwc-schaffhausen-portofino-watch/21835969

Wibbs

Fake as f... IMHO Spocker

893bet

Fake. Movement gives it away.

Also he says it might be stolen lol

Lorddrakul

That's a fairly bold admission about its provenance.

Does the seller really think that will seal the deal?

Cyclingtourist

It's a steal at €1,200

893bet

Lorddrakul wrote: »

That's a fairly bold admission about its provenance.

Does the seller really think that will seal the deal?

He is quite the sales man.

Might be real or fake.

If real might be stolen.

He knows it’s fake. That is a little back story to try and “sell” it to someone willing to take a chance on it being real (and only cheap as it’s stolen) and they will never bring to a jewellers as it’s stolen.

Homer

Spocker wrote: »

Second opinion? https://www.adverts.ie/dress/iwc-schaffhausen-portofino-watch/21835969

Sorry deleted it before I saw this post. It’s 99.9% a sh1tter. If they have any issues they can get it verified and relist it. Chancer

Fitz II

Awe crap any photos sound like a good one????

redlead

Whats the story with the legality of website shops selling clear fakes? So I was browsing Nomos watches last night and today the below popped up on my ad feed on google. Is this technically illegal to sell? I never heard of the site before but if they are paying for google ad space, I presume they aren't mickey mouse.

https://www.miniinthebox.com/en/p/nomos-quartz-watch-for-men-women-lover-wrist-watches-top-luxury-brand-reloj-hombre-2016-new-relogio-montre-orologio_p5381668.html?currency=EUR&litb_from=paid_adwords_shopping&sku=1_36%7C2_25607%7C77_557&country_code=ie&utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&adword_mt=&adword_ct=392976801555&adword_kw=&adword_pos=&adword_pl=&adword_net=u&adword_tar=&adw_src_id=62135347461_7690853958_79457411017_pla-293946777986&gclid=CjwKCAjw5p_8BRBUEiwAPpJO6_67wQsBA-2G8axP2ikNxZGpjouUjaNFetC8Suz-BOpZ9GWF2IyZWRoCDQMQAvD_BwE

Thirdfox

You can definitely be mickey mouse and pay for google ad space :P - my current ad spend is 9 euro a day (which isn't necessarily huge, though on the other hand it's not "nothing" either) - all depends on how they've structured their campaign.

And that definitely appears illegal - as in 99.99999% sure - they even say it's a Japanese quartz movement inside.

Though clicking on the link you put up gives them information that their ad buy has "worked" (as the link contains a tracker code in it that tells the advertisers where the click originated from) - so they may end up spend even more targetting you

Anjobe

The legality varies between jurisdictions. Technically, if there is no attempt to deceive the buyer that the item is genuine its a replica rather than a fake and legal to sell in many places. I think they are all illegal in Ireland though.

redlead

Thirdfox wrote: »

Though clicking on the link you put up gives them information that their ad buy has "worked" (as the link contains a tracker code in it that tells the advertisers where the click originated from) - so they may end up spend even more targetting you

Oh dear, thanks for ruining my day! :eek:;)

Fitz II

They used to say paper never refused ink....now its google never refused ad revenue.

banie01

redlead wrote: »

Whats the story with the legality of website shops selling clear fakes? So I was browsing Nomos watches last night and today the below popped up on my ad feed on google. Is this technically illegal to sell? I never heard of the site before but if they are paying for google ad space, I presume they aren't mickey mouse.

https://www.miniinthebox.com/en/p/nomos-quartz-watch-for-men-women-lover-wrist-watches-top-luxury-brand-reloj-hombre-2016-new-relogio-montre-orologio_p5381668.html?currency=EUR&litb_from=paid_adwords_shopping&sku=1_36%7C2_25607%7C77_557&country_code=ie&utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&adword_mt=&adword_ct=392976801555&adword_kw=&adword_pos=&adword_pl=&adword_net=u&adword_tar=&adw_src_id=62135347461_7690853958_79457411017_pla-293946777986&gclid=CjwKCAjw5p_8BRBUEiwAPpJO6_67wQsBA-2G8axP2ikNxZGpjouUjaNFetC8Suz-BOpZ9GWF2IyZWRoCDQMQAvD_BwE

The copyright owner can issue action to lock the domain selling fakes and can request takedown of their IP via Court.

Issue is, the seller will pop up with an amended website addressbnd other legal action is generally unenforceable in the jurisdictions where the sellers are based.

Surprised to see miniinthebox taking such an overt risk tho!
Usually it's an "homage" rather than blatant fakery.

redlead

OKAY, so now Boards are trying to sell it to me! haha


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Thirdfox

You've got their tracking pixel on you now ha.

I recommend doing a privacy purge (removing tracking cookies/personal date and just doing a complete flush of your web browser) if you don't want to see those ads anymore.

Though you might end up with even more interesting ads following you (Dublin singles near you! Click here to chat now...)