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Active shooter at Youtube headquarters

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    #152
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    What chance have they of success? The firearms manufacturers are making legal products that aren't defective. From a legal point of view, what's the problem there?

    Would Slazenger be sued if I attacked someone with a tennis racquet?

    The logic is that guns are for shooting bullets and lots of them are shot at people, tennis racquets are not a threat in the scheme of things unless you live next door to a very petulant child.


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    #153
    TomSweeney
    Registered Users Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    News Alert: Woman carries out mass shooting.
    Guardian: Yeah, but it's usually men.

    They're not even trying to pretend to be anything but a propaganda outfit at this stage.

    Guardian are a disgrace


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    #154
    fattymuatty
    Registered Users Posts: 295 ✭✭fattymuatty


    emeraldwinter wrote: »
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/04/youtube-shooting-gun-attacks-in-the-us-are-rarely-carried-out-by-women


    Don't worry it's only men....

    They didn't say it is 'only men' they said it is mostly men, which it overwhelmingly is. What is wrong with stating facts?


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    #155
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users Posts: 35,677 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Have to agree with her. Her videos were not anywhere near as bad as others yet they filtered her, took away her freedom to express. Again it's giant companies like youtube and Facebook trying to control the world and what is viewed.


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    #156
    2 Scoops
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    fattymuatty wrote: »
    They didn't say it is 'only men' they said it is mostly men, which it overwhelmingly is. What is wrong with stating facts?

    It's point scoring, nothing more.

    Shooter seems disturbed and it's pretty sad since some of her beliefs like animal rights are admirable. Looks like a revenge mission over her youtube videos.


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    #157
    TomSweeney
    Registered Users Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    fattymuatty wrote: »
    They didn't say it is 'only men' they said it is mostly men, which it overwhelmingly is. What is wrong with stating facts?
    They are facts, but why bring it up now ??

    They want to take the seriousness of this instant away to push their own narrative of evil white men being the problem.

    Imagine this, imagine after that idiot drove into those Muslims praying last summer and killed one man if a news organisation ran with the headline.

    Most murders by deranged drivers using their vehicles as weapon commited by Muslims

    Facts also, but can you IMAGINE THE OUTRAGE ????

    They would be done as a news organisation if they did it - even Fox news wouldn't stoop so low.


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    #158
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    News Alert: Woman carries out mass shooting.
    Guardian: Yeah, but it's usually men.

    They're not even trying to pretend to be anything but a propaganda outfit at this stage.

    Why don't they allow comments on their articles like other newspaper sites?


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    #159
    inforfun
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,862 Mod ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    Why don't they allow comments on their articles like other newspaper sites?

    That would get in the way of their donation begging.


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    #160
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,397 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Have to agree with her. Her videos were not anywhere near as bad as others yet they filtered her, took away her freedom to express. Again it's giant companies like youtube and Facebook trying to control the world and what is viewed.
    Me arse they took away her freedom to express. She can express all she likes, but she'll need to pay for the platform if she wants to reach a global audience with her video.

    I don't disagree with your point about large companies trying to control, but this isn't a freedom of speech issue.


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    #161
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    Why don't they allow comments on their articles like other newspaper sites?

    They do on opinion pieces.


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    #162
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,934 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    News Alert: Woman carries out mass shooting.
    Guardian: Yeah, but it's usually men.

    They're not even trying to pretend to be anything but a propaganda outfit at this stage.

    Facts don't care about your feelings.


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    #163
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
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    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Have to agree with her. Her videos were not anywhere near as bad as others yet they filtered her, took away her freedom to express. Again it's giant companies like youtube and Facebook trying to control the world and what is viewed.

    Fair enough, they may want to control what's on their platform. But it is their platform. They own it, they have every right to decide what does or does not appear on it. It's not like she paid for a service and didn't get it. It has nothing to do with any freedom or right. She's perfectly free to launch her own platform.

    It's not unusual. Boards won't let you say anything you wish on their forums, and rightly so.


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    #164
    Pelvis
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    It's rare that a female would carry out this kind of act I don't see any harm is highlighting in the news. The coverage I watched last night brought it up multiple times, I didn't see an issue, it was used to point out the fact that the motive of the attack might be different considering its a female, as in most cases it is usually a related to a domestic dispute.

    I do feel sorry for the poor white men who feel hard done by though...


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    #165
    eeguy
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    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Have to agree with her. Her videos were not anywhere near as bad as others yet they filtered her, took away her freedom to express. Again it's giant companies like youtube and Facebook trying to control the world and what is viewed.

    Totally disagree.
    Her freedom to express existed well before Facebook and Youtube. Both a private companies and well within their rights to exercise whatever content control they want.
    There's plenty of other streaming sites and social media outlets besides those, and plenty of other avenues to get your message across.
    No excuse to get a gun and shoot the place up.

    Also, plenty of Youtubers are affected by content filtering and demonetization. It's an ongoing saga at the moment that just hasn't been resolved. Don't see any of them taking up arms.


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    #166
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users Posts: 7,452 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    20Cent wrote: »
    Facts don't care about your feelings.
    Shapiro fan?


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    #167
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,480 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    If taking away "freedom to express oneself" is a valid reason to go on a shooting spree, Boards.ie would need to invest in Kevlar! ;)
    As would everyone with me on ignore....:mad:
    But they'll never see it coming!
    Because I'm on ignore! Muahahaha!:rolleyes:


    Youtube is a company, companies can and do dictate policies to allow access to their service. Those policies are subject to review and periodic change. A company of any type is under no obligation to provide a free platform.
    It is under even less of an obligation to ensure that any person can monetise any old guff they spout!

    This womans father has confirmed his belief that this was due to Youtube restricting access to her videos and the impact that had financially.
    That was what he felt was a prime factor in this.
    Youtube restricted her access to easy ad reveneue!
    This person could use any platform at all to espouse her belief, the one she chose, made a policy change that impacted her income.
    Rathet than choose an alternative platform, the animal loving Vegan decided to shoot people?!?!

    Hardly a rational response?


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    #168
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,934 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Hande hoche! wrote: »
    Shapiro fan?

    No can't stand him.


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    #169
    diomed
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    conorhal wrote: »
    I'm just baffled by the neurotic obsession by some regards the gun laws of another country that has nothing to do with them, I wonder about the mental health of those the spaz out every time this happens in America. It's an international news story, and yet for some bizarre reason folks with no input and who it doesn't impact seem to be having emotional melt downs.
    Then keep your gun shooting news stories to yourself.


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    #170
    yermanoffthetv
    Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭yermanoffthetv


    fattymuatty wrote: »
    They didn't say it is 'only men' they said it is mostly men, which it overwhelmingly is. What is wrong with stating facts?

    Because its not at all relevant to the story and seems to down play her actions just because of her gender. If you continued with that line of logic you'd have to write 'but its mostly black men that commit homicide' (which is stating a fact) That would be outrageous.

    Thats the problem with continually politicizing events like this. each side is looking to blame the other and reinforce their own beliefs rather that solve the issue, . The left seems to blame white men for all ills and the right blame minorities. Americas problem is completely and utterly refusing to collectively deal with widespread mental health issues mixed with extremely divisive identity politics mixed with a high drug use rate mixed with easily obtained guns....A recipe for complete and utter chaos.


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    #171
    cursai
    Registered Users Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    YouTube link?


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    #172
    Summer In the City
    Closed Accounts Posts: 249 ✭✭Summer In the City


    yermanoffthetv wrote: »
    Because its not at all relevant to the story and seems to down play her actions just because of her gender. If you continued with that line of logic you'd have to write 'but its mostly black men that commit homicide' (which is stating a fact) That would be outrageous.

    I don't think there's anything wrong with the Guardian piece. It was written quickly before all the facts were known and references previous attacks by women in the States. It's a bit tabloidy but that's what they are now. The main problem seems to be with the headline which is click bait like all headlines now.


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    #173
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    Vegan blogger , not surprising.


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    #174
    fattymuatty
    Registered Users Posts: 295 ✭✭fattymuatty


    yermanoffthetv wrote: »
    Because its not at all relevant to the story and seems to down play her actions just because of her gender. If you continued with that line of logic you'd have to write 'but its mostly black men that commit homicide' (which is stating a fact) That would be outrageous.

    Thats the problem with continually politicizing events like this. each side is looking to blame the other and reinforce their own beliefs rather that solve the issue, . The left seems to blame white men for all ills and the right blame minorities. Americas problem is completely and utterly refusing to collectively deal with widespread mental health issues mixed with extremely divisive identity politics mixed with a high drug use rate mixed with easily obtained guns....A recipe for complete and utter chaos.

    It may yet be relevant to the story. I've seen it reported that she is a biological male, I'm not sure how accurate those reports are but I read a news article where she was called a trans woman.


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    #175
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,493 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I was very lucky.
    I was actually on Youtube at that very time.


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    #176
    Summer In the City
    Closed Accounts Posts: 249 ✭✭Summer In the City


    doylefe wrote: »
    Vegan blogger , not surprising.

    They're well known for taking up arms alright.


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    #177
    _Dara_
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    conorhal wrote: »
    I'm just baffled by the neurotic obsession by some regards the gun laws of another country that has nothing to do with them, I wonder about the mental health of those the spaz out every time this happens in America. It's an international news story, and yet for some bizarre reason folks with no input and who it doesn't impact seem to be having emotional melt downs.

    Isn’t the point that people in other countries aren’t spazzing out anymore, rather shrugging their shoulders?


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    #178
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    Why don't they allow comments on their articles like other newspaper sites?

    You can comment under lots of Guardian articles. :confused: Not all but most. Generally, it’s opinion pieces or features or reviews that have comment sections rather than straight news reporting on the site but I have no idea where you got the idea that the Guardian don’t allow any commenting.


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    #179
    TomSweeney
    Registered Users Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/981384762458820610

    I can't imagine why she didn't make $$$$ with videos of this quality.


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    #180
    2 Scoops
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    Pretty sure that's a dude, the Guardian will be delighted but at the same time confused.


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    #181
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    YouTube should be ashamed for even allowing that yoke to upload videos....

    A 5 year old would make a better video.


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