The League is over - Who is going to be in the Super 8s?

Happyilylost

PARlance wrote:

We're definitely less bothered. Almost Kerryish in our dismissal of early season defeats these days!

Kerry won All Irelands. What exactly have Mayo won at any age group in the last two years? You might laugh as you progress further than teams in Connacht but I think the laughing has stopped come the big day.

jr86

Happyilylost wrote: »

Kerry won All Irelands. What exactly have Mayo won at any age group in the last two years?

Under 21 2016

Next question?

DJIMI TRARORE

Might as well throw my prediction in,not with any great certainty
CERTS:Dublin,Kerry,Tyrone
POSSIBILITIES:Tip,Donegal,Rossies ,Galway,Mayo,Cavan,Cork

Happyilylost

jr86 wrote:

Under 21 2016

jr86 wrote:

Next question?

😂 fair enough. I'll ask the same question again in 26 days. Point stands. Silverware at any level in Mayo is beginning to dry up.

Fr Tod Umptious

Happyilylost wrote: »

�� fair enough. I'll ask the same question again in 26 days. Point stands. Silverware at any level in Mayo is beginning to dry up.

Yea since there minor win in 2013, u21 win in 2016, it's beginning to dry up

Tellyium

danganabu wrote: »

And the reason as I have explained is priorities.

Nope. Mayos priority has always been to win Connacht with as little energy expended as possible, aiming to peak in August/Sept. worked well for 5 years when the rest of Connacht was ****e.

blowitupref

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

This is getting out of hand

Galway had a good league with an almost full squad and a new defensive system that teams like Mayo now have 8 full games worth of tape to dissect and analyse.

They failed to push on v Dublin being a man up, actually it was Dublin that pushed on.

Let’s wait till Galway get to a few finals, or even semi-final, actually let’s wait till they start winning championship games in Croke Park again before putting them in the same sentence as Dublin.

From what i seen its the same defensive system that held Mayo to low scores in 2016,2017 in the championship but they have some better individual defenders now.

LoveMeSexy

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

This is getting out of hand

Galway had a good league with an almost full squad and a new defensive system that teams like Mayo now have 8 full games worth of tape to dissect and analyse.

They failed to push on v Dublin being a man up, actually it was Dublin that pushed on.

Let’s wait till Galway get to a few finals, or even semi-final, actually let’s wait till they start winning championship games in Croke Park again before putting them in the same sentence as Dublin.

I'm fairly sure the poster was making the point that Galway have had the upper hand on Mayo in head to head encounters in recent matchups, which is clearly true. Nobody would argue that Galway have more successful overall in recent times.
In terms of the "new" defensive system, Mayo had the chance this year in the league and last year in the championship (after they were "caught on the hop by Galway the year before") to figure out the defensive system but they didn't. That being said it could go either way in May, no sane person is writing Mayo off or getting carried away with the Galway hype.

Tellyium

Not sure who will make the super 8s, but they’ve already had a positive influence based on the change in attitude towards the earlier rounds. The Galway Mayo build up is tetchy, spiky and nervy (and that’s just the supporters!) Almost like the days before the back door. Great to see.

blanch152

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Mayo have shown that they can overcome Connacht championship losses and perform later in the championship.

Something Galway have not done since 2001.

The league is irrevelant, different teams have different goals during the league.

Mayo have not shown that they can overcome Connacht championship losses and still win the All-Ireland. Performing later in the championship doesn't win any medals.

It is quite bizarre to see Mayo supporters suggesting losses in the League and Championship to Galway don't matter when Mayo haven't won any national title in decades.

ProudDUB

Tellyium wrote: »

Not sure who will make the super 8s, but they’ve already had a positive influence based on the change in attitude towards the earlier rounds. The Galway Mayo build up is tetchy, spiky and nervy (and that’s just the supporters!) Almost like the days before the back door. Great to see.

Great craic for the neutral alright. It's like a cross between The Late Late Toy Show & the Rose of Tralee

I'm eagerly awaiting.....in no particular order.

- David Brady making a complete and utter tool of himself. (Again.)
- James Horan having a go at someone/something/one of the Seioge's & all of Galway is up in arms.
- Former Mayo player (not D Brady) calls Galway over rated and/or describes last years victory as "lucky." Cue massive media controversy.
- Joe Canning gets dragged into it all. (God knows why.)
- David Brady finds his car.
- Breheny scratches his arse and all of Mayo is up in arms.
- The Mort starts appearing all over Off The Ball, Game On, Sunday Sport etc etc and I lose the will to live.
- We all lose our $hit when the ref is named.
- Lots of grumbling about Dublins resources.
- Leroys miraculous recovery.

Did I miss anything?

Seriously, who needs Netflix boxsets with all that lot going on?

Happyilylost

ProudDUB wrote:

Did I miss anything?

Brolly insults Galways defensive tactics throwing shade at Tally. Tally calls Derry Londonderry. Brolly declares war on the west. Mayo still won't back up Galway.

John O Mahony goes into hiding for a month.

Galway release a "Rocky Promo" of Comer wrestling bulls.

Mayo respond with a video of Aido signing autographs.

Spillane insults both teams the day of the match. Everyone forgets it's a football match and start knocking seven shades of s***e out of each other before a ball is thrown in.

Fr Tod Umptious

blanch152 wrote: »

Mayo have not shown that they can overcome Connacht championship losses and still win the All-Ireland. Performing later in the championship doesn't win any medals.

It is quite bizarre to see Mayo supporters suggesting losses in the League and Championship to Galway don't matter when Mayo haven't won any national title in decades.

Once again this is the problem with being a Mayo fan.

Going SF, Final, Final, SF replay ET, SF replay, Final replay, Final in the past 7 seasons and losing three finals by a point to the greatest team of a generation is somehow seen as being of zero value because there was no win in the end.

I can tell you I don't know what it's like to see my team win an All Ireland, I'm sure it's fantastic, but I have loved every minute of watching Mayo since 2011.

Give that to me any day over losing to the likes of Meath, Antrim and Tipp.

Happyilylost

Fr Tod Umptious wrote:

Give that to me any day over losing to the likes of Meath, Antrim and Tipp.

If you ever get to win one you'll take losing to all those teams a hundred times over just to win it one more time. It's a feeling that cannot be matched. The tears in Croke Park after Galway won the hurling should be testament to the sheer elation of winning an All Ireland. You can have your moral losses and I'm sure the journey has been unreal for Mayo fans. For me it's All Ireland or London can knock us out for all it matters. Only one team wins. Losers aren't remembered.

Fr Tod Umptious

Happyilylost wrote: »

If you ever get to win one you'll take losing to all those teams a hundred times over just to win it one more time. It's a feeling that cannot be matched. The tears in Croke Park after Galway won the hurling should be testament to the sheer elation of winning an All Ireland. You can have your moral losses and I'm sure the journey has been unreal for Mayo fans. For me it's All Ireland or London can knock us out for all it matters. Only one team wins. Losers aren't remembered.

It has and I'm not suggesting it's better than winning, I've not experienced the winning so I don't know, but what pisses me off is people telling me the journey is not worth it without the win.

blanch152

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Once again this is the problem with being a Mayo fan.

Going SF, Final, Final, SF replay ET, SF replay, Final replay, Final in the past 7 seasons and losing three finals by a point to the greatest team of a generation is somehow seen as being of zero value because there was no win in the end.

I can tell you I don't know what it's like to see my team win an All Ireland, I'm sure it's fantastic, but I have loved every minute of watching Mayo since 2011.

Give that to me any day over losing to the likes of Meath, Antrim and Tipp.

Sure, you can claim better days than Galway, but since you started watching in 2011...

Cork have won two National Leagues
Kerry have won an All-Ireland and a National League
Donegal have won an All-Ireland
Dublin, well Dublin have been Dublin.

So Mayo are joint-fifth (with every other county) over that time-period in terms of national titles.

They have won five Connacht, but none since 2015. Tyrone, Monaghan, Galway and Roscommon have also won provincial titles in that time-period.

Those are the bare facts, so being blase about exiting the Connacht championship and being worn out before the Super-8s just strikes me as a very strange attitude.

spurshero

People can say what they like . Reality is if this Mayo team we’re that great they would have an all Ireland . They pushed Dublin close but don’t beat them that’s what matters . Even leaving Dublin out of it if they were that good they would have won in 2012 v donegal or 2014 when an average Kerry team won it . No doubt there a good team . But they won’t be remembered as a great one outside of mayo. Can’t see this team winning one now .

Fr Tod Umptious

blanch152 wrote: »

Sure, you can claim better days than Galway, but since you started watching in 2011...

Cork have won two National Leagues
Kerry have won an All-Ireland and a National League
Donegal have won an All-Ireland
Dublin, well Dublin have been Dublin.

So Mayo are joint-fifth (with every other county) over that time-period in terms of national titles.

They have won five Connacht, but none since 2015. Tyrone, Monaghan, Galway and Roscommon have also won provincial titles in that time-period.

Those are the bare facts, so being blase about exiting the Connacht championship and being worn out before the Super-8s just strikes me as a very strange attitude.

I've been watching Mayo since the late '70s.

This run since 2011 has been amazing given what had come before.

Don't try to tell me it has not been enjoyable just because Mayo have not won an All Ireland.

And who said anything about being blase about not winning Connacht ?

Losing to Galway has not hurt Mayo's run to a final in the last 2 years but I don't get where you tough I suggested it would also be the case in 2018.

Barlett

blanch152 wrote: »

Sure, you can claim better days than Galway, but since you started watching in 2011...

Cork have won two National Leagues
Kerry have won an All-Ireland and a National League
Donegal have won an All-Ireland
Dublin, well Dublin have been Dublin.

So Mayo are joint-fifth (with every other county) over that time-period in terms of national titles.

They have won five Connacht, but none since 2015. Tyrone, Monaghan, Galway and Roscommon have also won provincial titles in that time-period.

Those are the bare facts, so being blase about exiting the Connacht championship and being worn out before the Super-8s just strikes me as a very strange attitude.

Bit of a pointless argument, whatever about All Irelands, I seriously doubt anyone in Cork would take their two National Leagues over Mayo’s last seven years.

Granted winning outright is important, but the journey often is just as important for fans , for example why were 82,000 people turning up for Leinster Quarter Finals involving Dublin ten years ago?

Not every team can win outright but you sure as hell can make special memories for your fans all the same . If winning trophies is the only thing that matters in sport, well a lot of people around the world are wasting their time

Bonniedog

Barlett wrote: »

why were 82,000 people turning up for Leinster Quarter Finals involving Dublin ten years ago?

Not every team can win outright but you sure as hell can make special memories for your fans all the same . If winning trophies is the only thing that matters in sport, well a lot of people around the world are wasting their time

Was just about to make that point myself.

Fr. Tod is right, the journey is often as important as the destination.

Dublin crowds fell off sharply after 2011 because the expectation had been satisfied. Twice filled CP for league games against Tyrone!

I have greatly enjoyed the AIs won, but some of best days were just going in hope. As a chap gets older, it is the being there that one remembers often, rather than the outcome, which is transitory anyway. Will all someday be statistics in a book, if there are still books!

Happyilylost

Bonniedog wrote:

Was just about to make that point myself.

Bonniedog wrote:

Fr. Tod is right, the journey is often as important as the destination.

Can't agree in any shape with this. If you don't reach the moon you're simply the guy that circled the moon a few times that no one remembers. Maybe it's different for other counties. Not trying to keep switching between codes but I enjoyed none of hurling exploits up to last year with Galway. Fair enough we haven't been as consistent as Mayo but we lost enough All Ireland's in the last ten years. And I enjoyed none of it. Ending up at home locked drunk after a night out putting on replays of Galway Vs Kilkenny (first game) wondering where it all went wrong crying into my beer is not my idea of fun. Or a wonderful journey. Ends in tears. They don't evaporate until you win one. I haven't watched Galway Vs Kilkenny since.

Bonniedog

Everyone has their own approach I suppose.

Getting locked and depressed about losing is not going to change the result!

Beidh lá eile ag an bPaorach.

Happyilylost

Bonniedog wrote:

Getting locked and depressed about losing is not going to change the result!

Winning one puts all the losses into the rear view mirror.

blanch152

Bonniedog wrote: »

Everyone has their own approach I suppose.

Getting locked and depressed about losing is not going to change the result!

Beidh lá eile ag an bPaorach.

If you are Dublin or Kerry, you can be confident there will be another day, or Kilkenny, Tipperary or Cork in hurling.

However, if you are a Monaghan or Mayo football supporter, falling short all the time may be as good as it gets.

Bonniedog

blanch152 wrote: »

If you are Dublin or Kerry, you can be confident there will be another day, or Kilkenny, Tipperary or Cork in hurling.

However, if you are a Monaghan or Mayo football supporter, falling short all the time may be as good as it gets.

Then why do people bother playing at all, or going to see them? Or doing anything for that matter!

Most of us who played probably played with teams that won little or nothing.

Fr Tod Umptious

Happyilylost wrote: »

Can't agree in any shape with this. If you don't reach the moon you're simply the guy that circled the moon a few times that no one remembers. Maybe it's different for other counties. Not trying to keep switching between codes but I enjoyed none of hurling exploits up to last year with Galway. Fair enough we haven't been as consistent as Mayo but we lost enough All Ireland's in the last ten years. And I enjoyed none of it. Ending up at home locked drunk after a night out putting on replays of Galway Vs Kilkenny (first game) wondering where it all went wrong crying into my beer is not my idea of fun. Or a wonderful journey. Ends in tears. They don't evaporate until you win one. I haven't watched Galway Vs Kilkenny since.

But who cares about who remembers ?

I don't care if in 22 years time someone in Cavan cannot remember what Mayo did between 2011 and 2017.

But I as a Mayo person sure as hell will remember all the highlights.

Happyilylost

Bonniedog wrote:

Then why do people bother playing at all, or going to see them? Or doing anything for that matter!

Bonniedog wrote:

Most of us who played probably played with teams that won little or nothing.

It's all a dream. Dreams come true. For some counties it's less of a dream than others. No one sets out to lose. Every player on every team dreams of being All Ireland Champions. That's why we play. That's why we support. As illogical as it seems. Ask Leicester fans what dreaming can achieve.

Tellyium

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But who cares about who remembers ?

I don't care if in 22 years time someone in Cavan cannot remember what Mayo did between 2011 and 2017.

But I as a Mayo person sure as hell will remember all the highlights.

I’m after watching the last 4 minutes of the hurling final again. For about the 75th time since last September. It never gets old and it is not about the journey. It’s about the minute long rising roar as we realised the dream was about to become a reality. Don’t sell yerselves short by thinking the nearlys are anyway related to a barely. I really hope (if we don’t ) ye do. It would be unbelievable.

Barlett

Tellyium wrote: »

I’m after watching the last 4 minutes of the hurling final again. For about the 75th time since last September. It never gets old and it is not about the journey. It’s about the minute long rising roar as we realised the dream was about to become a reality. Don’t sell yerselves short by thinking the nearlys are anyway related to a barely. I really hope (if we don’t ) ye do. It would be unbelievable.

Ah of course & im not going to lie, every time I daydream about it, the hairs on the back of my neck rise with emotion but mainly because of my father who comes to all the games with me & what it would mean to him. Mayo will win the All Ireland again someday & I hope to god himself is about to see that ( and myself ), what a moment that would be.

nice_guy80

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I've been watching Mayo since the late '70s.

This run since 2011 has been amazing given what had come before.

Don't try to tell me it has not been enjoyable just because Mayo have not won an All Ireland.

And who said anything about being blase about not winning Connacht ?

Losing to Galway has not hurt Mayo's run to a final in the last 2 years but I don't get where you tough I suggested it would also be the case in 2018.

It is quite amazing
Considering that in 2011 they scraped over the line v Roscommon
They've been on a different level since then