Munster vs Toulon, ERCC QF, Sat 30th March 3:15pm; Sky Sports Action

prawnsambo

Jack Kanoff wrote: »

Ball picked up at the back of the scrum... dropped..it travelled forward... only 1 roll, but that's enough 100% a good try

I could be wrong, but even if it hadn't been knocked on, the ruck would still have been over due to the ball being picked up. Afaik, it can only be moved on the ground in a ruck, once it's picked up it's ruck over.

Jack Kanoff

Toulon

prawnsambo wrote: »

I could be wrong, but even if it hadn't been knocked on, the ruck would still have been over due to the ball being picked up. Afaik, it can only be moved on the ground in a ruck, once it's picked up it's ruck over.

Ball was picked up and dropped forward...it was not touched by the defender again... Murray picked it up and dotted down...I read it as he was playing penalty advantage (even though it had not yet been given)

prawnsambo

Jack Kanoff wrote: »

Ball was picked up and dropped forward...it was not touched by the defender again... Murray picked it up and dotted down...I read it as he was playing penalty advantage (even though it had not yet been given)

What I'm saying is that (if I'm correct) even if the knock-on had not been given, it was still a try. I was scratching my head as to why they were spending so much time adjudicating the knock-on when the ball had been picked up. Need to check the laws, but I'm pretty sure the ruck ends when the ball is picked up.

Quint2010

Quint2010 wrote: »

Is the ball not out there? Some people saying the ball was in touch and crossed the plane of touch and under new rules should not have been given?

I think in this case the ball is only out if Conway is out, but he's fully in the field of play so it's play on.

Thought the Murray try was the right call as well.

But I thought Zebo got very lucky. Ashton was going to score there if Zebo hadn't intervened and he had no prospect of catching that ball.

Tigerandahalf

Alayna Echoing Smart-ass wrote: »

I think in this case the ball is only out if Conway is out, but he's fully in the field of play so it's play on.

Thought the Murray try was the right call as well.

But I thought Zebo got very lucky. Ashton was going to score there if Zebo hadn't intervened and he had no prospect of catching that ball.

Zebo is still entitled to go for the ball and it would be a harsh call to say he deliberately knocked on. He would have had a fair chance of catching the ball if he hadn't collided with Ashton. Different matter if a player had just reached out and knocked the ball into touch.

Tigerandahalf

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

Zebo is still entitled to go for the ball and it would be a harsh call to say he deliberately knocked on. He would have had a fair chance of catching the ball if he hadn't collided with Ashton. Different matter if a player had just reached out and knocked the ball into touch.

He was going for it with one hand. He had absolutely no prospect of catching the ball.

Jack Kanoff

Toulon

Alayna Echoing Smart-ass wrote: »

He was going for it with one hand. He had absolutely no prospect of catching the ball.

You've never seen a one handed catch, or someone control a ball and bring it into their chest?

prawnsambo

Jack Kanoff wrote: »

You've never seen a one handed catch, or someone control a ball and bring it into their chest?

Rob Kearney did the exact same thing for Garry Ringrose's try in the 6N. Albeit also in a somewhat controversial fashion.

Apparently Zebo whispered that he'd got away with it to Chris Ashton.

kub

Alayna Echoing Smart-ass wrote:

He was going for it with one hand. He had absolutely no prospect of catching the ball.

But Zebo has magical powers when it comes to catching rugby balls.

Jack Kanoff

Toulon

kub wrote: »

But Zebo has magical powers when it comes to catching rugby balls.

Indeed...I was waiting for him to palm it down to his heel, flick it up, catch it, wink at Ashton and whip his phone out of his jocks to Instagram the look on Ashton's face "Uce"!!

Deusexmachina

Jack Kanoff wrote: »

Ball was picked up and dropped forward...it was not touched by the defender again... Murray picked it up and dotted down...I read it as he was playing penalty advantage (even though it had not yet been given)

But it wasnt dropped forward???

Jack Kanoff

Toulon

Deusexmachina wrote: »

But it wasnt dropped forward???

Most definitely was, there's no doubt at all about that

Deusexmachina

Jack Kanoff wrote: »

Most definitely was, there's no doubt at all about that

Really? It seemed to take a long time to adjudicate and the commentators were saying it didnt go forward. I cant see where it went forward.
So how come there is 'no doubt at all'?

Stheno

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Really? It seemed to take a long time to adjudicate and the commentators were saying it didnt go forward. I cant see where it went forward.
So how come there is 'no doubt at all'?

In one of the last replays where the tmo zoomed in it rolled forward. Was clear on the screen

Jack Kanoff

Toulon

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Really? It seemed to take a long time to adjudicate and the commentators were saying it didnt go forward. I cant see where it went forward.
So how come there is 'no doubt at all'?

Because people weren't watching for it...
It's a clear as day on camera, reviews showed it...if anyone still thinks it didn't travel forward...well there's not much can be done about that.

Deusexmachina

Nah. Great thinking by Murray - very sharp as usual. But the ball did not go forwards. Error by video ref.

Jack Kanoff

Toulon

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Nah. Great thinking by Murray - very sharp as usual. But the ball did not go forwards. Error by video ref.

You're possibly the only one who thinks that, is the date important to you?

kub

kub wrote: »

But Zebo has magical powers when it comes to catching rugby balls.

So it seems. Probably because he's from Munster.

Anyway congrats and I really really really hope it's a Leinster v Munster final.

razorblunt

Reggie Corrigan

leakyboots wrote: »

4m45s: "Non... NON!... he still has it... Conway... Conway.. who accelerates!... who goes through!... woah... woah... it's incredible! it's incredible!... this.... miraculous try!... miraculous!... what madness!.... that try by Conway... an Irish miracle exists!"

Brilliant stuff, light and day between that and Sky Sports just shouting his name repeatedly.

Akrasia

Toulon

Doesn't matter if it was dropped forward, it was picked out of the ruck, the ruck was over.

Watch how Murray handles the ball in a ruck. He either uses his feet or the tips of his fingers until he's ready to pick it up. He knows that once he picks up the ball, the ruck is over and there's no offside line.

Akrasia

Akrasia wrote: »

Doesn't matter if it was dropped forward, it was picked out of the ruck, the ruck was over.

Watch how Murray handles the ball in a ruck. He either uses his feet it the tips of his fingers until he's ready to pick it up. He knows that once he picks up the ball, the ruck is over and there's no offside line.

I agree with this. As soon as he picked it then Munster players are entitled to move up and tackle him. The fact he dropped the ball seems incidental to me.

Bridge93

Yep the knock on is supposedly inconsequential. All that matters was one scrum half knew the rules and the other didn't

Jack Kanoff

Toulon

Jean Kleyn - 18 tackles
Billy Holland - 17 tackles
Dave Kilcoyne - 14 tackles
Peter O'Mahony - 14 tackles
Jack O'Donoghue - 18 tackles
CJ Stander - 21 tackles

Amazing stats ... JOD's number caught me by surprise a little

BBDBB

there'll be a few sore bodies today after that

Eod100

BBDBB wrote: »

there'll be a few sore bodies today after that

The players or the fans?!haha

Bridge93

As long as sore is all they are. Who drops out if Earls is fit for the semi final?

thomond2006

Toulon

Bridge93 wrote: »

As long as sore is all they are. Who drops out if Earls is fit for the semi final?

Wootton

Jack Kanoff

Toulon

Bridge93 wrote: »

As long as sore is all they are. Who drops out if Earls is fit for the semi final?

Think we're all waiting for the injury report on Zebo

phog

JOD had a great game yesterday, I think everyone had great games but the effort from Arnold & Jack were second to none.

PTH2009

Amazing Chris Ashton played for 3 different clubs against Munster in his career

Northampton, Saracens and Toulon

.ak

PTH2009 wrote: »

Amazing Chris Ashton played for 3 different clubs against Munster in his career

Northampton, Saracens and Toulon

Oooh, what's his W/L/D against them?

eagle eye

.ak wrote:

Oooh, what's his W/L/D against them?

Who cares? He has been a great player for a long time.

.ak

eagle eye wrote: »

Who cares? He has been a great player for a long time.

I suppose... I do?

phog

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phog

.ak wrote: »

Oooh, what's his W/L/D against them?

Assuming he played against us in all the games when we played those teams

I think this is the win/loss stats
Saints Won 1 - Lost 4
Saracens Won 3 - Lost 2
Toulon Won 0 - Lost 1

Total - Won 4 - Lost 7

The Lost Sheep

phog wrote: »

Assuming he played against us in all the games when we played those teams

I think this is the win/loss stats
Saints Won 1 - Lost 4
Saracens Won 3 - Lost 2
Toulon Won 0 - Lost 1

Total - Won 4 - Lost 7

I looked it up and he didn't play in some of the saints games. At least 2 games iirc

irishbucsfan

Was it one of the games against Saints when Tony Buckley picked up that randomer at the back of a ruck and just casually tossed him away? Or was that the Biarritz game that year?

Buer

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Was it one of the games against Saints when Tony Buckley picked up that randomer at the back of a ruck and just casually tossed him away? Or was that the Biarritz game that year?

Biarritz semi final in 2010 I believe.

Mc Love

Going with my pre-match prediction based on how well IK did and have to hold my hands up and say he did really well, made one or two errors but over the whole course of the game he was very good. Even my FIL who never has a good thing to say about him, agreed that he played very well.

Eod100

Racing v Toulon on Sky Sports at 3:45, should be interesting!