Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

GreeBo

irishrebe wrote: »

LOL! I've known actual Red Pill fanatics who are less openly women hating/'men are victims' than you.

Is there any chance you will counter/debate/acknowledge the points that someone makes or do you just like shouting White Male Privilege and wait for the thanks?

yourdeadwright

Deleted User wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Why didn't you stop watching after Murray and Zebo where accused of the same thing a few years back ?

Link?

Just to clear up it wasn't rape but a 3 some where they didn't treat women n well ,
These lads are being hammered for a 3some, they where cleared of rape so same thing really,

irishrebe

Mr.H wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

You really must be doing the privilege thing wrong, since almost all the men I know are having a whale of a time. Must really suck to be born with so much privilege and still fail. Ouch. Go back to your Red Pill boards and continue griping about women being allowed to have opinions now.

I am not saying this because you are a woman. I am saying this because you talk like a spoilt little child who has no experience in the world. You my friend shouldnt have a say in anything ever.

Its people like you who are the reason we have Trump in power, Brexit on the horizon and protests about the outcome of a rape trial in another country. I mean grow up. If you think you dont have the same right as me you are obviously lazy and dont want to do anything but whinge. I know loads of women who are in well respected jobs because they dont waste their lives pretending that the white man is keeping them down.

Grow up

I'm a woman in my thirties with a law degree. 'People like me' are why Trump is in power? OK, you're not at all unhinged.

irishrebe

irishrebe wrote: »

Yeah, 'just' a little power imbalance, no big deal. Not like it completely changes the entire dynamic or anything, nah.

Power imbalance as in physical power? Acknowledging that men are usually genetically stronger than women and that women should be afforded more protection as they are genetically weaker.

But....

Also men and women are completely equal and need to be treated the exact same and afforded the same opportunities as there is no difference between the sexes apart from genitalia.

Please define the power dynamic a little better. Is it because women fear that men can overpower them or is it that in the patriarchal society in which we live, the white cis man holds all the power?

spurious

Louie Moldy Body wrote: »

If that statement where in any way true, the courts would be flooded with cases, which they arent

Think about why the courts are not 'flooded with cases' now, in the light of that information and the recent court case, and why many women feel the need to protest.

irishrebe

Mr.H wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

Yeah, 'just' a little power imbalance, no big deal. Not like it completely changes the entire dynamic or anything, nah.

What are you on about???

A man gropes a woman. A woman gropes a man. How is that not the same thing?

Neither is warranted. By the way I would hate to see a man slap a woman the way a woman would slap a man for that action.

Power imbalance??? Is that what they are teaching you in college instead of what you should be learning? Listening to too many fake feminst groups

I've already explained why it's not the same thing. I have a law degree and spent years working with women in developing countries, so save your patronising sh1te for someone who cares.

Aufbau

Louie Moldy Body wrote: »

When the definition has become so broad as to basically include just trying to chat someone up as sexual assault if they 'feel' weird about it

If that statement where in any way true, the courts would be flooded with cases, which they arent

When did the definition of sexual assault change? Link?

And the reason that the courts aren't flooded with cases should be quite obvious.

Sprinter Sacre

irishrebe wrote: »

I'm a woman in my thirties with a law degree. 'People like me' are why Trump is in power? OK, you're not at all unhinged.

A law degree eh? Not what you said here:

irishrebe wrote: »

Hi everyone,
Hope you don't mind me posting here because this idea of  moving to Canada is quite a new one. I'm 32, Irish and recently single and feeling very unsettled. I went to Canada last autumn to visit friends and attend an event and absolutely loved it. I'd never considered living in Canada before that, but I felt so at home there. I spent time in Montreal, Toronto and Ottawa and liked them all. Is there any chance at all of me being able to move to Canada? I don't think I'm a 'skilled worker'. I trained as a translator and work freelance at the moment. I also did high level TEFL (did DELTA and worked in universities), but I don't think either of these things is something they're looking for? I have no dependents, am fluent in French and won't necessarily require work when I'm there, if my freelance career keeps going reasonably well (but the option of having it would be reassuring). Any pointers or advice would be welcome, or anyone who was in the same boat as me.

Mr.H

irishrebe wrote: »

I've already explained why it's not the same thing. I have a law degree and spent years working with women in developing countries, so save your patronising sh1te for someone who cares.

so your not going to answer the question then?

SO someone with a law degree thinks its ok for a woman to grope a man but not vice versa??

you didnt explain anything. You said power imbalance. Your talking crap

give it a rest liar

yourdeadwright

Deleted User wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Why didn't you stop watching after Murray and Zebo where accused of the same thing a few years back ?

Link?

Deleted User wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Why didn't you stop watching after Murray and Zebo where accused of the same thing a few years back ?

Link?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/woman-has-regrets-over-alleged-rugby-stars-tryst-29453848.html

LirW

irishrebe wrote: »

I'm a woman in my thirties with a law degree. 'People like me' are why Trump is in power? OK, you're not at all unhinged.

If you're holding a law degree then you probably agree that there wasn't some proper evidence that could have convicted them since it all operates on "innocent til proven guilty"?
I'm not saying that this is fair, especially in rape cases, but where would we go as society if we start convicting people without proper evidence that there was NO consent given?

o1s1n

irishrebe wrote: »

I've already explained why it's not the same thing. I have a law degree and spent years working with women in developing countries, so save your patronising sh1te for someone who cares.

If you ever join a law firm can you please let me know which one so I can make sure I never accidentally avail of their services?

GreeBo

irishrebe wrote: »

I've already explained why it's not the same thing. I have a law degree and spent years working with women in developing countries, so save your patronising sh1te for someone who cares.

How about a large black woman makes a move on a small white man who let her into his house to use the bathroom?

You think the small, white guy is going to be believed?

irishrebe

Sprinter Sacre wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

I'm a woman in my thirties with a law degree. 'People like me' are why Trump is in power? OK, you're not at all unhinged.

A law degree eh? Not what you said here:

irishrebe wrote: »

Hi everyone,
Hope you don't mind me posting here because this idea of  moving to Canada is quite a new one. I'm 32, Irish and recently single and feeling very unsettled. I went to Canada last autumn to visit friends and attend an event and absolutely loved it. I'd never considered living in Canada before that, but I felt so at home there. I spent time in Montreal, Toronto and Ottawa and liked them all. Is there any chance at all of me being able to move to Canada? I don't think I'm a 'skilled worker'. I trained as a translator and work freelance at the moment. I also did high level TEFL (did DELTA and worked in universities), but I don't think either of these things is something they're looking for? I have no dependents, am fluent in French and won't necessarily require work when I'm there, if my freelance career keeps going reasonably well (but the option of having it would be reassuring). Any pointers or advice would be welcome, or anyone who was in the same boat as me.

Yes, one law degree (BA), a translation degree (MA), a legal translation diploma, two TEFL diplomas and three official certifications in foreign languages. Is that detailed enough for you, or do you want to know about my gymnastics certificate from when I was 5?

GreeBo

irishrebe wrote: »

Yes, one law degree (BA), a translation degree (MA), a legal translation diploma, two TEFL diplomas and three official certifications in foreign languages. Is that detailed enough for you, or do you want to know about my gymnastics certificate from when I was 5?

Hmm maybe something was....lost in translation? :pac:

irishrebe

Mr.H wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

I've already explained why it's not the same thing. I have a law degree and spent years working with women in developing countries, so save your patronising sh1te for someone who cares.

so your not going to answer the question then?

SO someone with a law degree thinks its ok for a woman to grope a man but not vice versa??

you didnt explain anything. You said power imbalance. Your talking crap

give it a rest liar

I never once said it was 'OK for a women to grope a man. Point out to me where I said that. I did say that the power dynamic is not the same, and then a man groped by a woman is unlikely to have the same fear of being (further) assaulted.

Sprinter Sacre

irishrebe wrote: »

Yes, one law degree (BA), a translation degree (MA), a legal translation diploma, two TEFL diplomas and three official certifications in foreign languages. Is that detailed enough for you, or do you want to know about my gymnastics certificate from when I was 5?

I don't have a law degree nor do I need one to know you're spoofing about your supposed qualifications.

Mr.H

irishrebe wrote: »

Yes, one law degree (BA), a translation degree (MA), a legal translation diploma, two TEFL diplomas and three official certifications in foreign languages. Is that detailed enough for you, or do you want to know about my gymnastics certificate from when I was 5?

But you said you dont think your a skilled worker? I though having a law degree would be a skill?

Again you havent responded about the power imbalance rubbish you mentioned?

Surely you can lie about something else??

_Dara_

Aufbau wrote: »

Would you prefer to be a woman, Wibbs?

Daft question, since most people want to be the gender they were born with.

irishrebe

LirW wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

I'm a woman in my thirties with a law degree. 'People like me' are why Trump is in power? OK, you're not at all unhinged.

If you're holding a law degree then you probably agree that there wasn't some proper evidence that could have convicted them since it all operates on "innocent til proven guilty"?
I'm not saying that this is fair, especially in rape cases, but where would we go as society if we start convicting people without proper evidence that there was NO consent given?

I have said since the very beginning of the thread that the lads have been found not guilty and the protest is wrong. Absolutely do not agree with them being labelled rapists. Never said otherwise. But daring to suggest that both the ROI and NI have a lot of work to do when it comes to women's rights is enough to send some people into a tizzy.

irishrebe

irishrebe wrote: »

I never once said it was 'OK for a women to grope a man. Point out to me where I said that. I did say that the power dynamic is not the same, and then a man groped by a woman is unlikely to have the same fear of being (further) assaulted.

Who defines level of fear? That's completely subjective and not even remotely consistent across gender/race. Should a power dynamic have any bearing on how the law is applied?

If so, you are calling for feelings to be taken into account rather than facts.

That's some law degree.

CruelCoin

irishrebe wrote: »

I never once said it was 'OK for a women to grope a man. Point out to me where I said that. I did say that the power dynamic is not the same, and then a man groped by a woman is unlikely to have the same fear of being (further) assaulted.

You went on about mens upbringing, being objectifying creatures, etc.

Since when was unwanted sexual touching not the same as unwanted sexual touching?
What has the "power dynamic" got to do with it?

irishrebe

Mr.H wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

Yes, one law degree (BA), a translation degree (MA), a legal translation diploma, two TEFL diplomas and three official certifications in foreign languages. Is that detailed enough for you, or do you want to know about my gymnastics certificate from when I was 5?

But you said you dont think your a skilled worker? I though having a law degree would be a skill?

Again you havent responded about the power imbalance rubbish you mentioned?

Surely you can lie about something else??

Do you know how law works? No, having a law degree is not a 'skill'. And in the context of Canada, they're looking for specific workers in certain fields. Don't let that get in the way of a good personal attack, though.

Sprinter Sacre

Sprinter Sacre wrote: »

I don't have a law degree nor do I need one to know you're spoofing about your supposed qualifications.

waits for the "see....men not believing a woman" outrage....

seamus

irishrebe wrote: »

I never once said it was 'OK for a women to grope a man. Point out to me where I said that. I did say that the power dynamic is not the same, and then a man groped by a woman is unlikely to have the same fear of being (further) assaulted.

Functionally the argument that you have made in regards to double standards - and that people are having issue with - is the implication that because I am a man and our male ancestors have enjoyed power over our female ancestors, that it's only fair that I now be treated less favourably than women in some aspects, as some kind of compensation for this past imbalance?

Mr.H

irishrebe wrote: »

I never once said it was 'OK for a women to grope a man. Point out to me where I said that. I did say that the power dynamic is not the same, and then a man groped by a woman is unlikely to have the same fear of being (further) assaulted.

Why not?

Men and women come in all shapes and sizes?

A 6ft 4 20 stone woman gropes a 5ft 4 8 stone man. How is that not the same?

Then there is the fact its acceptable for a woman to slap a man but what can a man do to stop it?

You said its not the same. I am giving you an example where it is. These examples exist.

Not to mention some guys are quieter than others and would just feel weird about being touched.

If one person is groped and doesnt want it then it is wrong. NO matter the gender. But then again that fictional law school might not have thought you that

irishrebe

Deleted User wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

I never once said it was 'OK for a women to grope a man. Point out to me where I said that. I did say that the power dynamic is not the same, and then a man groped by a woman is unlikely to have the same fear of being (further) assaulted.

Who defines level of fear?  That's completely subjective and not even remotely consistent across gender/race.   Should a power dynamic have any bearing on how the law is applied?

If so, you are calling for feelings to be taken into account rather than facts.  

That's some law degree.

Jesus Christ, this is just getting hilarious now. You don't think sexual assault cases almost all have a degree of subjectivity?

Skylinehead

irishrebe wrote: »

LOL! I've known actual Red Pill fanatics who are less openly women hating/'men are victims' than you.

Mod: This is utterly unacceptable posting. Any more accusations of that and you won't be here much longer.

Mr.H

irishrebe wrote: »

Do you know how law works? No, having a law degree is not a 'skill'. And in the context of Canada, they're looking for specific workers in certain fields. Don't let that get in the way of a good personal attack, though.

You know they are currently seeking law graduates right? And you can take the bar over there? You know this though yes? Or are you having too much fun translating stuff?

GreeBo

irishrebe wrote: »

Do you know how law works? No, having a law degree is not a 'skill'. And in the context of Canada, they're looking for specific workers in certain fields. Don't let that get in the way of a good personal attack, though.

Codology isnt a skill either.

irishrebe wrote: »

I never once said it was 'OK for a women to grope a man. Point out to me where I said that. I did say that the power dynamic is not the same, and then a man groped by a woman is unlikely to have the same fear of being (further) assaulted.

So why are you distinguishing between the two scenarios?
What possible benefit is there from the agenda you are so consistently pushing?