Codenames League of Legends Sign Up Thread

Necro

Howdy folks!

Said I'd toss up the sign up thread for the upcoming Codenames League - of Legends.



How it will work:

Teams of 2 will be randomly selected from the pool of sign ups, with the only differential used being a wish to not be captain.

All teams will be placed in the one league, and will play each other at least once - twice more than likely dependant on the number of teams.

Points will be scored as follows:

3 points for a team win.

1 point for a losing team who have 2 or less remaining words on the codenames board.

AND...

-1 point for a losing team that hits the assassin word.



The top 4 teams with the highest points scored after the conclusion of the league format will advance to the semi-finals where a best of 3 format will commence. Rules of the knock-outs will be posted at a later date.

What if teams are tied? Rather than use a points difference style system, if two or more teams are tied at the conclusion of the league phase, then we will have once off play-off games drawn at random by myself where the winners will advance.

Boards will be generated by Necrominus, the impartial league organiser and PMed to the nominated captains for the game. Any issues with a clue or a comment within the game, please PM me and I will make a decision. Captains should discuss the issue amongst themselves first of course.

Obviously anything contravening Boards rules rather than Codenames will be dealt with by the forum moderators - sullivlo and Pter.

There will be a separate thread set up for the league tables, and following the conclusion of a game, the winning captain should post the result in that thread, including final score of the game.

The league table will be updated following the conclusion of each round of games. Players are asked to arrange the times of the games themselves, and then contact myself so I can organise the board.

How do I sign up?
Simples. Register your interest in the following fashion:

Player name:
Have you captained a codenames game before:

Similar method to the world cup. I will try to be as fair as possible when organising the teams.

Any questions keep to the codenames discussion thread in case I miss sign ups.
Let the games begin... Again.

Sign-ups:
1. Digital Solitude
2. Kolido
3. Mollyb60
4. Guffy
5. Pter
6. osh
7. Banjo
8. kitten_k
9. htieKs
10. partyjungle
11. duffman13
12. beakerjoe
13. conor222

Digital Solitude

Digital Solitude

Yes have been captain

Happy to do so again

Not a haiku

Kolido

Player name: Kolido
Have you captained a codenames game before: Yes

Mollyb60

On it like a car bonnet.

Can captain or guess. I'm equally ****e at both!

Guffy

Yes
Yes

Baggly

Yes and yes.

Thanks!

osh

Yes and yes

Banjo

Player name : Banjo
Captained before? Yes, but not well

sKeith

okay, can you clarify...

1 point for a losing team who only has 2 remaining words on the codenames board.

I think I know the intention of this rule, but should it not be

1 point for a losing team who has 2 or less words remaining on the codenames board.

kitten_k

Player name : Kitten_k
Captained before : Yes once

sKeith

Player name: htieKs
Have you captained a codenames game before: haey

Y and Y

duffman13

Yes and yes (poorly)

beakerjoe

Yes and yes

sKeith

sKeith wrote: »

Player name: htieKs
Have you captained a codenames game before: haey

I know this probably passed most of you by, but as a member of Team Cage, the current codenames finalists, I've cracked the code. You see if you take the last letter and put it at the start, and repeat that process until all letters are exhausted. htieKs spells out sKeith :cool:

I have no idea what haey means

Baggly

Deleted User wrote: »

I know this probably passed most of you by, but as a member of Team Cage, the current codenames finalists, I've cracked the code. You see if you take the last letter and put it at the start, and repeat that process until all letters are exhausted. htieKs spells out sKeith :cool:

*undefeated finalists.

Necro

Ok, so a healthy amount of sign ups so far.

Sign ups are not closed until after the conclusion of the World Cup, and I hope to have teams and fixtures posted for starting the Monday following its conclusion.
At the present we are looking at 6 teams, which will mean a minimum of 10 games for each team (both teams playing each other twice).

So a few rules so things are streamlined:

1. Standard codenames rules for games which can be found here, with a couple of exceptions.
2. Designated captains for their games can set up a thread as normal, but will contact myself so I can generate a board and PM to both captains. I will be using random words I come up with myself to generate the boards.
3. No editing of posts within a game thread. If there is an issue, I need to see it and make a ruling. Most of the time these can be resolved by the captains. Obvious exceptions are anything that contravenes boards rules, which can be dealt with via boards modulators.
4. Absolutely no discussion between captain and team-mate on game thread once the game begins until its conclusion. I know it's difficult at times but as per the rules of the game, captains are allowed to clue a word, and use the usual phrases.
5. Decision of the organiser is final. If there is an issue, please contact me via PM and we can discuss it further but no arguing on the gamethread.
6. Fixtures: Where a team is classed as the 'Home' team (or team that is mentioned first), they will begin the game second with 8 clues. The 'Away' team (or team that is mentioned second in the fixture) will have 9 clues and also have the first guess. All teams will have a 'Home' and 'Away' fixture.
7. Scoring: 3 points is awarded to the team who clears the board of their words. A 1 point bonus will be awarded to a losing team should they have 2 clues or less remaining on the board. At present, 1 point will be deducted from a losing team if they incorrectly guess the 'assassin' word on the board, along with the awarding of 3 points to the other team.
8. League Table: It is intended to update the league table after each round of fixtures. Depending on numbers and player availabilty, it is intended to run two league fixtures per week to be organised at times that suit the teams. The organiser will not involve himself in exact scheduling of matches, UNLESS a backlog of fixtures appears.
9. Following the conclusion of a league game, it is the responsibility of the winning captain to post the result in the appropriate thread.
10. Friendlies between teams are permitted, provided they do not impact on fixtures or create a backlog. The organiser will have no involvement in the organising or running of these friendlies.
11. Following the conclusion of the league phase, the TOP 4 teams will qualify for the league semi finals, which will be played on best of 3 basis for the semi final, and best of 5 basis for the final.
12. In the event of a number of teams being tied on the same amount of points, a series of one off playoffs will be played to determine which team will progress to the semi finals. Please note a virtual coin toss will decide the 'Home' and 'Away' teams in this regard. Points difference will not be used under any circumstances to settle any ties.
13. Questions on any rules or clarifications should be posted in the codenames discussion thread, or the dedicated league thread when it is set up.
14. The organiser reserves the right to make alterations and additions to the league rules, should the matter arise.


As I said, questions about rules or clarity on anything - please post in this thread.

I don't want to be totally formal but it's for clarity purposes in case there are any disputes

sKeith

Deleted User wrote: »

I have no idea what haey means

Why not repeat the process you just explained

sKeith

sKeith wrote: »

Why not repeat the process you just explained

¿ʇɐɥʇ op ʎlqᴉssod I plnoɔ ʍoH

conor222

Player name: Conor222
Have you captained a codenames game before: Yes

conor222

Can i suggest a bonus 10 points for a clue that gets over five answers attached (not random guesses)
that should make people really go for it early!
:pac::pac::pac:

osh

Nice idea, of course you could possibly just give loads of 0 clues to eliminate the words that weren't yours, and then bam a five+ worder :pac: Would be worth going for even if you lost the game.

Edit; though I suppose going by the rules you'd still need to link them in some way as the clue and number has to actually relate to the correct number of words

Baggly

You could do a point per word correctly guessed, and then bonus points for winning the game?

sKeith

unfair advantage to the 9 teams over the 8 teams.

Baggly

sKeith wrote: »

unfair advantage to the 9 teams over the 8 teams.

Fair point.

conor222

Pter wrote: »

You could do a point per word correctly guessed, and then bonus points for winning the game?

Or could use number of answers guessed as a type of goals scored type entity for tie breakers?
The points per word would be difficult as if you win a game (+3 say) but the other team hit the assassin on their first guess then you'd end up with 3 points, a huge hole to get out of given the average win would be worth 11.5 points

Baggly

conor222 wrote: »

Or could use number of answers guessed as a type of goals scored type entity for tie breakers?
The points per word would be difficult as if you win a game (+3 say) but the other team hit the assassin on their first guess then you'd end up with 3 points, a huge hole to get out of given the average win would be worth 11.5 points

I think the points per correct guess would have to be to the exclusion of the other points methods. Maybe the assassin deduction; but you are right, it would be a huge gap.

sKeith

You could do reverse scoring.

Teams start with possibility of scoring.
9v8
red v blue
9+8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1 and 8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1
let say red wins with blue having 3 words still on the board,
well red gets 0 points and blue gets 6.
if opponent hits assassin, then you automatically get a 0.

lowest points in the league wins.

I think this scoring method takes in all points raised above.

Baggly

sKeith wrote: »

You could do reverse scoring.

Teams start with possibility of scoring.
9v8
red v blue
9+8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1 and 8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1
let say red wins with blue having 3 words still on the board,
well red gets 0 points and blue gets 6.
if opponent hits assassin, then you automatically get a 0.

lowest points in the league wins.

I think this scoring method takes in all points raised above.

Opposition gets 0 if you hit the assassin?

sKeith

Pter wrote: »

Opposition gets 0 if you hit the assassin?

0 is the perfect score. if you hit assasin with 5 words remaining,

you'd get 1+2+3+4+5= 15 points and opposition gets 0 points.

Baggly

sKeith wrote: »

0 is the perfect score. if you hit assasin with 5 words remaining,

you'd get 1+2+3+4+5= 15 points and opposition gets 0 points.

Oh yeah gotcha!

Necro

Ok, gonna try and respond to all the questions in the thread. All really interesting, and some very good ideas.

conor222 wrote: »

Can i suggest a bonus 10 points for a clue that gets over five answers attached (not random guesses)
that should make people really go for it early!
:pac::pac::pac:

I thought about this tbh, rewarding great clues and in the second edition of the league (Yes, I'm already thinking ahead if there is still interest) we can add little quirks like this.

Pter wrote: »

You could do a point per word correctly guessed, and then bonus points for winning the game?

sKeith wrote: »

unfair advantage to the 9 teams over the 8 teams.

sKeith kind of answered this but yes, I toyed with the idea of an answer per word correctly guessed but given the 9/8 clues per game it's probably a bit unfair so I went with football style scoring.

conor222 wrote: »

Or could use number of answers guessed as a type of goals scored type entity for tie breakers?
The points per word would be difficult as if you win a game (+3 say) but the other team hit the assassin on their first guess then you'd end up with 3 points, a huge hole to get out of given the average win would be worth 11.5 points

Yeah, again I considered points difference (answers correctly guessed going to a goal difference of sorts, but tbh it would be a pain to calculate so again to get the league off the ground I've omitted it in it's maiden voyage.

sKeith wrote: »

You could do reverse scoring.

Teams start with possibility of scoring.
9v8
red v blue
9+8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1 and 8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1
let say red wins with blue having 3 words still on the board,
well red gets 0 points and blue gets 6.
if opponent hits assassin, then you automatically get a 0.

lowest points in the league wins.

I think this scoring method takes in all points raised above.

Great idea, sKeith. Just a pain to keep up with.


I'm going to keep the scoring system as is for now and if it needs tweaking following the conclusion of the first league we can do it then. Other rules etc. we can continue to work on (including the assassin reduction which I'm still open to removing btw).

Tbh I just want to streamline the process as much as possible for the first outing and then get creative if it works well. Hope that's ok

Necro

Ok, with the final taking place over this week I expect, I'm gonna draft up teams in the coming days.

With 13 players do people think we are better running with teams of 2, and a single team of 3? That would allow everyone 10 matches (home and away legs).

The other alternative is teams of 3 and a team of 4, and you'd have 4 teams so 6 matches each home and away.

I'm happy to go with either option (personal preference is the teams of 2 but I'll go with majority)

Kolido

I like the idea of more than 2 players per team, though is it 2 players per team per game, or multiple guessers? I would hope its the former.

In terms of number of games, for the 2/3 player teams you're looking at 30 games, for the other I think 12, personnally, I would probably sway towards the first scenario.

Necro

Kolido wrote: »

I like the idea of more than 2 players per team, though is it 2 players per team per game, or multiple guessers? I would hope its the former.

In terms of number of games, for the 2/3 player teams you're looking at 30 games, for the other I think 12, personnally, I would probably sway towards the first scenario.

Multiple guessers if 3 players per team yes. One team would have to have 4 though with 13 entrants.

Is there a regular player missing that we can convince?

#jayopOutOfRetirement

Necro

Deleted User wrote: »

Is there a regular player missing that we can convince?

#jayopOutOfRetirement

Well there's myself as well but I'd prefer to remain impartial tbh.

Guffy

Necrominus wrote: »

Well there's myself as well but I'd prefer to remain impartial tbh.

Ah come join the fun, a non participant can generate the board.

I mean i can do pictures now, just in case you weren't aware, so i could easily post the board for you.

Necro

Guffy wrote: »

Ah come join the fun, a non participant can generate the board.

I mean i can do pictures now, just in case you weren't aware, so i could easily post the board for you.

Sure. Makes things easier for fixtures etc.

Will hold off until completion of the final in case of last minute sign ups but if not I'll enter as number 14.

Necro

Ok folks I have done up teams on a draft basis. I think they're fair but if anyone has issues with their teams PM me and I can redraw (concerns will remain private)

So, without further adieu:

Team 1: Guffy/Digital Solitude - Current name Team Gufftigal Solituffy

Team 2: beakerjoe/Kolido - Current name - Team BeaKol


Team 3: Pter/Mollyb60 - Current name - Team Siberia

Team 4: sKeith/Banjo - Current name - Team RPG

Team 5: conor222/Necrominus - Current name - Team conecro222

Team 6: partyjungle/kitten_k - Current name - Team partykitten

Team 7: osh/duffman13 - Current name - Team doshman


Team names can be changed up until the start of the league which commence following the conclusion of the World Cup.
I'll have a fixtures thread set up here in the coming days (maybe a mod can advise whether to put it in Codenames and sticky it?)

Best of luck everyone

Baggly

Haha Team Partykitten is the best one.

Baggly

Necrominus wrote: »

Team names can be changed up until the start of the league which commence following the conclusion of the World Cup.
I'll have a fixtures thread set up here in the coming days (maybe a mod can advise whether to put it in Codenames and sticky it?)

MOD HAT ON

Following the placement of the other threads across Codenames, WW and D&D, this sign up thread and the fixtures thread should stay in the main FG forum. Game threads go in the sub forum.

Stickies are kinda reserved for things that might drop down the list, and i dont expect this to happen to this thread. If that isnt the case and the thread keeps getting lost, we can revisit.

Necro

Pter wrote: »

Haha Team Partykitten is the best one.

Might not be saying that for long

Cos here's the the first two rounds of fixtures.

Round 1:

Team partykitten VS Team Siberia

Team conecro222 VS Team RPG

Team BeaKol VS Team Gufftigal Solituffy

Round 2:

Team Doshman VS Team conecro222

Team Guftigal Solituffy VS Team partykitten

Team RPG VS Team BeaKol

(Full list to be posted in fixtures thread but here's a flavour for ye)

Edit: Draft fixtures - real fixtures in other thread.

Baggly

Necrominus wrote: »

Might not be saying that for long

Cos here's the the first two rounds of fixtures.

Round 1:

Team partykitten VS Team Siberia

Team conecro222 VS Team RPG

Team BeaKol VS Team Gufftigal Solituffy

Round 2:

Team Doshman VS Team conecro222

Team Guftigal Solituffy VS Team partykitten

Team RPG VS Team BeaKol

(Full list to be posted in fixtures thread but here's a flavour for ye)

Oh its a cool name, but Molly and I will crush those capitolist pigs like yesterdays vodka.

beakerjoe

Team Kolijoe is a better name, impeach Necro!

Necro

beakerjoe wrote: »

Team Kolijoe is a better name, impeach Necro!

Team names are to you folks :P

Although partykitten is clearly an ingenious masterstroke :P

Digital Solitude

Guffy we gon be Warriors or stick with it?

kitten_k

Pter wrote: »

Haha Team Partykitten is the best one.

We rock

Guffy

Digital Solitude wrote: »

Guffy we gon be Warriors or stick with it?

Current name is quite possibly the worst name I've ever seen

Necro

Guffy wrote: »

Current name is quite possibly the worst name I've ever seen

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

It's meant to be intimidating :P